Have a 458 Lott; CZ-550 that I have been shooting open sighted since I bought it.
I have heard many stories about how this cartridge is very hard on scopes. I have added about a pound to my gun to help tame the recoil. I suspect it is a little over 10 lbs now.
Any of you gentlemen have any experience with the cartridge / rifle at this weight and adding some glass to it? Any issues?
BTW; when you put 6 of this big cartridges in the magazine you probably add another 1/2 lb.

EZ

I have a 10 3/4 lb. .470 Capstick, and it has worn a Burris 2.5x without any problems.

The lighter the scope is, the less effect inertia has on its internals.

George

Actually considering the Burris Euro 1 X 4 X 24. Never owned a Burris but always like to try new stuff. The scope does appear to have a short amount of eye relief for this gun.

Eye relief & a tough scope for a Lott. Maybe the Leup 2x compact on the cheaper end or VXIII 1.5x5 or 1.5x5x30mm on the higher end.

I used a 2.5 Leopold on mine. Be sure to get a set of rings that allows you to mount the scope well forward. I didn't and payed for it.

465H&H

I used a Leupold Vari X or maybe a VX II 2-7X on mine for awhile with no problems. Now I'm using Nightforce and no problems with it either.

bushnell 3200m 2x7x32 or any shotgun scope

I have been using a Leupold 1.75x6 VXIII with good eye relief. It has worked fine on my 458 Lott for a year now and well over 100 rounds. I have also used a Burris 2X7 compact on a 460 weatherby with no problems just slightly less eye relief. I am planning to put a Leupold 1.5X5 with a plex crosshair on the 458 Lott nest just to get a standard plex rather than the heavy plex in the 1.75X6. The Leupold 1.5X5 has a longer eye relief of 5" as well.

I have a Leupold 1.5-5X on my CZ 450 Dakota. No problems in three years. QD rings too.

Rich
DRSS

A scope and a Lott. What's wrong with that picture?

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Originally posted by Will:
A scope and a Lott. What's wrong with that picture?

I agree Will, I can't see a scope on anything bigger than 416.

A ghost ring is a good alternative on a DGR.

But to each his own.....

Bite the bullet. Schmidt & Bender. It will only hurt for a little while.

Good hunting.

if someone can't handle recoil, i guess it could be a problem .. some folks properly train with them, some folks complain about someone doing what someone else wants

What is this 'scope' thing on a DGR? Poppycock! Any animal far enough away to need a scope isn't dangerous. Man up, dude. Just put a good peep sight on it and go hunting.

If you're using it on Buffalo, a scope can be a big help. On any herd animal, shot placement can be tough, and distances on Buff can get long when you've been pushing a herd all day and they're spooky.

Interesting comments by all. If I was to add a scope to this gun it would be with Talley QD mounts.
Another thread began today about who really utilizes QD mounts? It would appear few seldom detach a scope. I have four other rifles with QD mounts (2 - 375's, 416 Rem and a 458 WM). I probably would never remove them although they are all sighted in with the irons at 50 yards.
This Lott I probably would remove the scope from time to time if I were to attach one. This CZ has what amounts to a AHR type 2 upgrade and the barrel trimmed to 23 inches; Handy!
BTW; I have considered the peep offered by NECG for the CZ.

EZ

Actualy I did use the scope on a Lott for buff but took it off when I chased eles.

465H&H

Agreed on elephants...if you need a scope in taking your Elephant, you're missing half the fun!

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Originally posted by Biebs:
If you're using it on Buffalo, a scope can be a big help. On any herd animal, shot placement can be tough, and distances on Buff can get long when you've been pushing a herd all day and they're spooky.

Exactly how my PH felt.
Had me bring y scoped 416WBY along with my unscoped 600OK. Choice of which to use depended on whether the bull was in the herd (scoped 416), or off to the side or by himself (unscoped 600OK for latter two cases).

Happily, the 600OK and 585 AHR both got a good work-out on a couple of Cape buffalo, the 416 on Kudu, Wildebeest and Impala.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Agreed on elephants...if you need as scope in taking your Elephant, you're missing half the fun!

For that I plan to bring the V-C 600NE double. NO provision for scope mounting there so I'll have to pull an Ivan Carter and be close enough to check for nose hairs.

Paul, I think you'll find a 25 yard shot on an Elephant is on the long side. If you work the wind right, you can do 10 yards in most cases.

I have to agree with the no scope set! For a DGR that you plan to shoot a big animal with at <50 yrds unless your vision impaired no scope is necessary Period! If you absolutely need a scope, then the leupold compacts wont break on you like everything else eventually will( of course at the absolutely wrong time. Personally I like nice wide v notch sights but ghost rings work well too.-Rob

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Paul, I think you'll find a 25 yard shot on an Elephant is on the long side. If you work the wind right, you can do 10 yards in most cases.

That will be my plan.
In fact, my dad took his Cape bufalo with his 585AHR at no more than 20 feet.
The closer the better.

I have a Vari-X III 1.5-5 heavy duplex on my Steyr 458 Win Mag. I worked up a load with 500 gr Woodleighs that goes out at about 2100 fps.

I have put easily over 500 benchrest rounds with that Leupold and the POI has never moved.

The scope is set in Warne QD rings. The rifle and scope went to Africa and back, accounting for one-shot kills on Cape buffalo and sable.

have a Leupold veri-x11 2x7 on my 458AccRel about 200rds and going strong Clint

My 470 Mbogo wears a Leupold 3x scope...no problems after about 8 years of use. The rifle used to wear a Leupold 2.5-8x IIRC, also with no problems.

EEZRIDR:

Contact D'Arcy Echols, and ask his advice re: scopes on the Lott.
He has built a bunch of rifles in this caliber, and shot the Lott enough to "fail" virtually every scope; European, or domestic manufacture.
Good luck

This is what the sights on a proper elephant rifle should look like:





That said, I just built a .458 win mag and am working on a .458 Lott. I've been using a M8-4X Leupold on the .458 and it works fine.

dave

No offense to the redoubtable mr Echols, I've put hundreds, though not thousands, of equals, and not failed but two cheap scopes. It's a myth

I use various models of S&B (fixed, variable, illuminated, standard, PM) on everything and have never had a failure of any kind. In 30 years of shooting I have not found better.

My most vicious rifle was a ridiculously small and light David Lloyd 7mm Rem Mag and it went through several tubes before an S&B went on.

That rifle was both the best looking and most unpleasant weapon, military or civilian, I have ever used.

Incidentally, for you leopard hunters, in any given tube/objective lens size I have not found a better light gathering scope than the Schmidt.

Good luck finding what works for you.

There's another aspect to this that has not been directly addressed: scope mounts.

There are a lot of very good ones. Both Empire Mauser and Dakota use Talleys on ALL of their rifles, unless something different is specified. Such as:

Claws. Horrendously expensive. Difficult to machine correctly. Unfortunately, best system on planet Earth. Just for fun, I checked the price of claw mounts on Holland's Web site. A bit more than a full-house AHR CZ in .458 Lott, inclusive.

And no, I do not own a rifle with claw mounts. The 7x57 is so gentle that I could use bubble gum. But I don't do that, either.

Not sure if this was a hijack, or not. If so, apologies.

Good hunting.