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| Congratulations! A pre-64 big bore in good condition at a fair price is getting difficult to find nowadays so consider youself lucky to own one. Let us know how she shoots. Thanks. |
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| AKJD, You made a good deal, the pre 64 M-70 Win. is head and shoulders a better rifle than ANY new manufactured rifle out there today that its not even a question of whos right, not even an opinnion, it is better, end of story...It and the Mod 98 Mauser is the creme de creme of gundom, any son of a seventh son knows that! ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) |
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| Well done you will love the .375 round !! Try some Hornady Round Nose 300 gr, there good accuarate bullets. |
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| AKJD: I'm with Bus. I am happy for you regarding the Model 70 in .375, but having a wife who understands these matters is priceless! |
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| Great day at Great Northern Guns? Or was it The Roosevelt Room? Congratulations. You have the best, in many ways. |
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| I agree, the Pre-64 is fantastic, but the wife letting you do it is priceless! Let us know how it shoots.
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| The .375 H&H is a terrific cartidge ... enough without being overwhelming. Easy to load for with a wide range of good and available projectiles.
The per-64 M70 is a wonderful rifle. I have only one, but it is the one that would pain me most to lose.
And having a wife that understands ... indeed, Priceless!
You had a very, very good day!!!! |
| | | Posts: 6199 | Location: Charleston, WV | Registered: 31 August 2002 |
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AKJD,
You made a good deal, the pre 64 M-70 Win. is head and shoulders a better rifle than ANY new manufactured rifle out there today that its not even a question of whos right, not even an opinnion, it is better, end of story...It and the Mod 98 Mauser is the creme de creme of gundom, any son of a seventh son knows that!
Pass the grains of salt!!!
The metallurgy of pre-64's is poor. When they let go, they come apart like a hand grenade. |
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| Thanks everyone, yes I have a great wife. Picked up some brass, bullets, RL15 and another can of Varget today. I don't know if I'll get to do any shooting this week, supposed to get down to -20 in the next couple days. 500grains, If it blows, I'll duck really quick. ![[Roll Eyes]](images/icons/rolleyes.gif) JD |
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| JD, congrats on a nice rifle and a nice wife - great combination. I've got a wife who compares but, they dont make pre-64s in left hand. |
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[QBThe metallurgy of pre-64's is poor. When they let go, they come apart like a hand grenade.[/QB]
If this was indeed a common problem then how is it the Model 70 earned and enjoyed a fine reputation amongst not only the working class hunters but also among the professional hunting sector that used the rifles in less than ideal field conditions and against game that had a habit of biting back?
While no particular arm from any manufacturer is the perfect fault free rifle, the Model 70 certainly rose to the top and stayed there until the poor management decisions realised in 1964.
Your comment is a sweeping generalisation that is not only predominantly inaccurate, it is unfair.
If the Model 70s were plagued with consistent metallurgical deficiencies throughout the decades of it's construction, the American and international sportsmen would never have placed it upon the pedestal as such.
I am most proud to own one of these dangerous anachronisms! |
| | | Posts: 1171 | Location: Wyoming, USA | Registered: 03 June 2000 |
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| vapodog,
I put a .375 cal. Douglas No. 3 Premium stainless barrel on a Pre-64 action from a 300 H&H, with a Brown Precision "Pounder" stock and it is swell. You may have to put a little weight in the forearm of the McMillan stock to make the gun balance with that wonderful lightweight barrel. Should be sweet. Maybe my 6.75 lbs. .375 H&H could stand to be a bit heavier, but it balances when light in the barrel and the butt. |
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Originally posted by 500grains:
[QBThe metallurgy of pre-64's is poor. When they let go, they come apart like a hand grenade.
If this was indeed a common problem then how is it the Model 70 earned and enjoyed a fine reputation amongst not only the working class hunters but also among the professional hunting sector that used the rifles in less than ideal field conditions and against game that had a habit of biting back?
While no particular arm from any manufacturer is the perfect fault free rifle, the Model 70 certainly rose to the top and stayed there until the poor management decisions realised in 1964.
Your comment is a sweeping generalisation that is not only predominantly inaccurate, it is unfair.
If the Model 70s were plagued with consistent metallurgical deficiencies throughout the decades of it's construction, the American and international sportsmen would never have placed it upon the pedestal as such.
I am most proud to own one of these dangerous anachronisms![/QB]
Good Lord man, read up on rifle actions and find out their strengths and weaknesses! You are praising the sales figures, aesthetics and popularity of the model 70, and then conclude that the metallurgy is fine. There is no logic there.
If overpressurized (wrong ammo, wrong powder, barrel obstruction, etc.), model 70's have time and again blown up completely while mausers and other actions held together under similar conditions. Experts in the field attribute it to poor metallurgy in the pre-64's. No matter what the sales figures or finish of these rifles are, that does not change the metallurgy.
If you want a safe rifle, a post-64 model 70 classic is the way to go. If you want a pre-64, that's fine but it would be better not to do the ostrich thing.
By the way, did I mention that pre-64's do not do a good job of diverting exhaust gases away from the shooter's eyes when a case ruptures? |
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| Do we need to make a distinction between Pre-War and later Pre-64 M-70?
I have heard the old saw about Pre-64 M70's being of inferior metallurgy, but all guns were before WWII, after which improved gun steels were widely available, due to metallurgical advancements brought by military developments.
How about the 1950's Pre-64 M70? Was not the metallurgy improved by then?
The Pre-War Winchesters were known more for the handwork done to make them function flawlessly, and wood to metal fit and final finish, as that was their special charm.
Yes, the Pre-64 M-70 does have the Springfield breech type of poor gas handling, with a straight shot down the left bolt raceway towards the shooters face with a case rupture.
Surely Ray could comment on this, as he was getting out of diapers about the time the M70 was born, and might have heard of exploding Pre-64 M70's and any gas venting problems. |
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