I just received an e-mail announcing a 375 H&H load going 3100fps! It looks like it is using the Speer 235gr. JSP. DoubleTap Ammunition is making it, it just shows you how versatile the .375 really is. DEFINITELY not a DG load, but it looks like a good load for the lower 48.

Would make a decent elk load.

Sounds like a 3/8" flying grenade to me. I seriously doubt that Speer made that 235gr to function at 3000fps+. Might work on stray dogs and coyotes as a large varmit load.

If I were to go elk hunting with a 375H&H, 270gr Spitzer will be just fine for that job. They will hold their velocity better at long range, and should exit the other side. Give them the respect they deserve.

Hog Killer

Keith,
that bullet at 2825 works GREAT, for what it's worth, out of a steyr

Well, I'm just not a fan of under weight bullets for speed's sake only. Like shooting 110gr out of an '06, just so you can claim that you have an '06 that shoots at 3150fps. Must also admit that there is very few Speer boxes in the reloading room. Mostly shot capsules for snake loads.

Hog Killer

Hey Jeffe,

Got MILK???

Barnes makes a 235 TSX. That could be a higher velocity candidate. 3100 fps still seems quite "pressurized" though!

I use the 375 H&H for everything else, it looks like I've found a varmint load.

I back up Hog Killer, if you want high velocity get a suitable cart for the job!

Been using that Barnes 235gr bullet on elk here in Colorado. Works extremely well.

Well, I can say from firsthand experience that the 250gn Barns X would do 3000fps in my Sako 375H&H. I dropped the load a grain as the accuracy was better and this cronyed 2929fps. I hunted Africa with that load, taking animals ranging from springbok to zebra and found the performance to be superb.

I left my ammo with the PH and he used my loads with another client to shoot a cape buff. Granted it would not be my choice for buff, but the PH and client were very happy with the result.

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The 235 Speer leaves chunks of itself in the wound canal when fired on deer at 2900 fps ... and vears severely inside the animal.

Would recommend the Barnes bullet for real game.

I am working on the new 235 TSXs in the steyr.. my steyr, and mike's, are both scarey accurate with the speer 235s, and we'll be trying this end of the month.

jeffe

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Well, I'm just not a fan of under weight bullets for speed's sake only. Like shooting 110gr out of an '06, just so you can claim that you have an '06 that shoots at 3150fps.
Hog Killer

Hog
If you compair SD of a 235gr .375cal bullet to a .308cal bullet you would have a 158.7gr bullet hardly a varmit round. I'm sure a 235gr .375 cal bullet would do fine on any NA game.
Dr B

Dr. B, that is what I was thinking and without the recoil of the 300gr. bullets.

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Originally posted by mstarling:
The 235 Speer leaves chunks of itself in the wound canal when fired on deer at 2900 fps ... and vears severely inside the animal.

Would recommend the Barnes bullet for real game.

I have never thought of the standard Speer bullets as a great big game bullet. 235gr Barnes TSX would get my vote, if I was to go with a light weight bullet. But this is an apples and oranges comparison.

Hog Killer

I'll ask about using the Barnes X / 210-gr. bullet in my .375 ULTRA MAG.

I figured this would be fun load to shoot.
Lighter and faster than just about anything in the .375 catagory. Might kick a bit less, too.

The X-Bullet is characteristically long, being made of pure copper, so the SD/BC would be better than the bullet weight would indicate ( I think )...

Anybody able to crunch some numbers for me on such a load?
Thanks.

I am not much of a speed freak but it cerainly adds to the versatility of the 375 H&H that most don't consider. Have fun working up the recipes.

I am just guessing that it is a 235gr. Speer. It looks like it might be, but I am no expert. Look:
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.p...h=45&products_id=165

Woodleigh also make a 235 gr soft point for what it's worth.

and don't Barnes do a 210 gr X bullet ??

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Originally posted by Fergus_Bailey:
Well, I can say from firsthand experience that the 250gn Barns X would do 3000fps in my Sako 375H&H.

Wow!! Just what would the pressures be on that one????? Seems a bit hot to me.

I'm in the process of developing a whitetail load for my .375 Wby using the 235 gr. Speer. But I'm going the other direction and working around 2500 fps. I think that will make a very fine medium game combo.

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Wow!! Just what would the pressures be on that one?

Well, I dont have any ability to tell with any reliable measurement. However there were no pressure signs from this load that I could observe. Case life was good, primers of fired cases looked good and no marks on the case head after firing.

At the time, there was no data available for the 250gn, so I simply took load information for the 270gn Barns X and worked up. I did not give me any problems in my rifle or the PH’s.

250 @ 3000fps, now that is really movin'!

One hole accuracy, and light (relative term) recoil... the Speer 235 and IMR 3031... Try it you'll love it.

Barnes has now introduced the 235 TSX for the .375's. This would be a terrific deer, antelope, elk round if you wanted the 375 H&H to be your only rifle.

If I may share my field observations...
I've used the Speer 235 in front of 70gns. IMR-3031. Plenty of speed, excellent groups from my Mauser. On game out past 100 yds, the bullet performed quite well. "Bang-flop" on Kudu, Waterbuck,large bush pigs, etc. Got full side-to-side penetration on a Zebra(approx. 150 yd. shot). On skinning,we found the slug pushing out the hide on the opposite shoulder...a perfect classic mushroom with good weight retention.
On closer shots, on smaller animals...there was evidence of high velocity failure...e.g.: large entrance wounds..and the jackal that was darn near blown in half when hit mid-body from 50 yds. or so...
Make what you will of this info. just offering observations from the field. For future reference...especially if I'm hunting Elk, or African Antelopes...I'd spend a little more money and go with a bullet of heavier construction. I do like the lighter bullets in the 375...not everything requires 270-300 gns..!!
Your experience may vary....
Cheers.

Conley loads for the 375H&H the 210 Barnes x bullet at 3150 fps you can check out there ammo at www.cpcartridge.com

Then there is always my stash of 240 TBBC's from Jack Carter...

With my 375 I have shot the Serria 250 gr bullets to 2720. Thats fast enought for me.

That's the beauty of the 375 - so many bullets, so little time...

I've been loading the 235gr for years - I shoot groundhogs with it. In August I shot a coon off my deck with it - not much left of the coon!!!

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That a good way to go.
Even the Speer manual recomends reducing velocity to 2600fps for deer.
I've read posts on this group that mention this bullet still breaks up at 2600fps.
I would have thought Speer hot cores would have been more soft/malable but I guess that heat melting process Speer uses is tempering the lead a little on the brittle side or maybe plus 2600fps is asking to much of lead.

I am in the process of developing a load for the speer 235gr bullet using Hodgdon BL-(C)2, Federal 215 primer in Rem cases.
I have used the optimum charge weight (OCW) methode to develope the load.
I still need to do a second round of testing to confirm the original results but 84.8grs of BL-(C)2 grouped in the same place as 84.4grs and 85.2grs.
My next round of testing will vary the charge weight by .2grs which will confirm the OCW for this bullet.
Now I have not fired this test through my chrony yet (OCW testing does not require it until I find the OCW) The second round of testing will go through the chrony but according to the hodgon 2006 loading manual it should clock around 2900fps. Ok for target practice but too fast for close shots on game. If I new my shot would be taken a game at a distance where the bullet had time to slow down to sub 2600 fps before impact I would have no doubt this bullet would to the job.
I chose this bullet originally for cheap target practice.
The Barnes copper 235gr might be just the thing for game at close and far ranges.

It looks like they also are offering the Barnes TSX bullet. Better trajectory, but more money.
http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.p...h=45&products_id=171

Hornady makes a 225 spitzer that would work well on deer and lighter game. I've used 250 Sierras, 270 Barnes X, 270 Hornadys, and 300 Noslers on elk. All worked well, but since I hunt in timber, I love the 300 Noslers. Also 300 Barnes Originals. Heavy bullets just seem to work quicker.

I finely got around to finishing the optimum charge weight (OCW) tests for the Speer 235gr bullet and Hodgdon BL-(C), Rem cases, Federal 215 primers.
My M70 likes 84.8grs of Hodgdon BL-(C)
Velocity = 3120 fps and it shot the smallest group too. That powder is nice to work with.

This ball powder is suppose to be sensitive to temperature, all my shooting was done on a hot day 35C so it is probably showing the max velocity variation due to the days heat.

Later I would like to develope a slower (~2200 to 2500fps) load for fun, but for now I need to move on to a load that will max out a Hornaday 270 grainer with H4350.

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Originally posted by prof242:
Been using that Barnes 235gr bullet on elk here in Colorado. Works extremely well.

Also works quite nicely on mulies.

Holland & Holland originally loaded 235, 270 and 300 grain bullets in their .375.

WyoJoe,
Yep, sure does. Used to use the Barnes X 210gr until I couldn't find any more of them in this area. Switched to the 235s with no problem and equal accuracy.

From my limited experience, the lighter bullets... with a weight under 250gr don"t shoot as well as the heavier ones 260gr up... For what its worth, Double Tap lists this bullet: .375 H&H Magnum 235gr. Barnes with a velocity of 3100 fps... Following it the link to their webpage:

http://www.doubletapammo.com/php/catalog/product_info.p...1_45&products_id=171

Only my two cents worth.

Shooting light bullets at extreme velocities is a fad that most hunters go through early in their experience, and they get great results at first for the most part, they get those lightening like kills, then as luck would have it they get a bullet failure on the best trophy they ever shot and a lesson is learned and they return to the tried and true law of moderation.

Big heavy bullets don't kill as quickly as high velocity bullets do as a rule, animals shot with heavier slower bullets run a ways leave a good blood trail and expire but they are easy to recover...With lighter bullets the inevitable happens sooner or later, and you don't get a blood trail and they don't drop in their tracks and all is lost, a sad and humbling experience, I don't ever want to relive again...

Lighter bullets are more reliable on light bodied animals but again I have experienced failures.