On one of the deer hunting oriented sites that I frequent, a gentlemen and myself are butting heads over the effectiveness of his .300 RUM , his arguement is that since the .300 RUM developes greater "downrange" energy than some of the old buffalo/elephant cartridges (.404 Jeffery, .375 H&H) that it is somehow a better cartridge for DG.

Let me add, and is accusing me of being full of shit when I claim that the .375 and .404 are superior killers of large game.

Your thoughts on this?

Invite him over here for a thrashing ...

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Originally posted by HogLeg458:
On one of the deer hunting oriented sites that I frequent, a gentlemen and myself are butting heads over the effectiveness of his .300 RUM for African dangerous game, his arguement is that since the .300 RUM developes greater "downrange" energy than some of the old buffalo/elephant cartridges (.404 Jeffery, .375 H&H) that it is somehow a better cartridge for DG.

Let me add, that this gentleman has NEVER fired anything larger than a .30 cal, and is accusing me of being full of shit when I claim that the .375 and .404 are superior killers of large game.

Your thoughts on this?

I've not hunted African DG before, so I cannot speak to that, BUT some folks just have to learn things the hard way.

He might feel differently looking up at an elephant.

Just tell him he is the one that is FOS and yes, do invite him over here.

Tell him to send pictures from his cape buffalo hunt with his 300 RUM. I haven't seen any good gore photos for a while.

John

Yes, do invite him here. I've been around a couple of years and I now am converted. I feel undergunned with a 375H&H hunting feral hogs!!!!

I can't afford to be a double rifle man and go on my buff hunt too, so I'll have to be bolt trash. But that said I'm gonna have to have someting bigger. JC

Hogleg458:

Two or three years ago I went on a bison hunt. I was carrying a .404 Jeffery and another hunter was shooting a .300 RUM. I took a huge bull with the .404. When it was the others guy's turn to shoot, he shoot an even bigger bull four or five times in the chest with his RUM, all well placed shots. The bison basically showed no reaction. He turned to me as if asking what to do. I offered him my .404. He put a solid through the boiler room and the bull stumbled down a hill, about twenty-thirty feet. He put a second solid in and it was over. Big, heavy bullets at modest velocity are much better killers than light bullets at high velocity and it has always been so.

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Originally posted by Dave Bush:
Hogleg458:

Two or three years ago I went on a bison hunt. I was carrying a .404 Jeffery and another hunter was shooting a .300 RUM. I took a huge bull with the .404. When it was the others guy's turn to shoot, he shoot an even bigger bull four or five times in the chest with his RUM, all well placed shots. The bison basically showed no reaction. He turned to me as if asking what to do. I offered him my .404. He put a solid through the boiler room and the bull stumbled down a hill, about twenty-thirty feet. He put a second solid in and it was over. Big, heavy bullets at modest velocity are much better killers than light bullets at high velocity and it has always been so.

That and your 404 Jefferey probably kicked less too.

John

Gentlemen, my findings in regard to small bore vs. big bore killing power have been the same, bigger, heavier bullets kill so much better that in all reality there is not much of a comparison to be made.

I will cordially invite the meathead to come over here, we'll see if we can deflate that ego of his!

There is a huge difference between killing deer at 500 yards (which he is accustomed to) and being within yards of something big mean and nasty.

Then again, his kind of attitude is to be expected on a "deer only" forum, where his .300 RUM may just look like a cannon

Good thing about the 300 RUM is that in most cases it is just a rebarrel away from a .404J. Or so I hear.

Saavy Dang-a-roos game hunters know the 300 RUM as the "Three Double Ought Really Undersized Magnum" ...

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
Good thing about the 300 RUM is that in most cases it is just a rebarrel away from a .404J. Or so I hear.

Yup, pretty easy.

In fact mine is a switch barrel .

Here's a good use for a .300 RUM:

.404 Jeffery from a .300 RUM Winchester Model 70 Super Grade.



A .300 RUM is a very useful cartridge. I just think that when you are dealing with DG, a .404 Jeffery is the cat's meow, so the above picture is in absloute agreement with the suggestion that a RUM is the perfect platform for a real African rifle. And, next to my girlfriend, it's high on the priority of things to fondle.

After I first posted this, I looked at the picture and noticed that the bullet hole is visible in the skin. Got to brag a bit. Pretty good from 200 yards with a 400 grain Woodleigh, huh?

His .300 would make a good leopard rifle for shooting over bait, but that's about it.

Way too much theory passes for practice on internet forums.

IMHEO, of course.

Here is another 300 RUM M70 Classic Stainless conversion 404 Jeffery. A simple rebarrel will get you shooting.
The stock is a Brown Precision that was meant for a short action M70, came off a 308 WCF, rebuilt with lots of steel inside, by yours truly.
Sub-MOA.
8.5# dry weight.
1:10" TWIST.

This one is lying on a bison rug like the one it took with a single North Fork .423/380-grain soft at 2525 fps MV, 80 yards range,
the bull staggered about 8 steps after the shot,
spewing blood and lungs out of the entrance hole, then fell dead.

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Saavy Dang-a-roos game hunters know the 300 RUM as the "Three Double Ought Really Undersized Magnum

where do you get this shit just to funny / too too good to be true

hell now I am in the market for a good left hand 300 cheep path to a 404 sompin I aint got

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Originally posted by mrlexma:


Way too much theory passes for practice on internet forums.

I agree.... And how many of us have witnessed the 300 RUM fail on DG?


Let the sod believe what he wants. In truth we all make our decisions based on emotion and then do our best to rationalize them. Keep in mind there are(were) real experts who killed a great deal of game and came to very different conclusions. Bell and Taylor, come to mind.

The real questions: the guy has no class(he likes the 300 RUM) so why waste time arguing with him, and why visit and site other than AR?

RIP:

That's a fine looking example of a practical rifle!

JudgeG,
I corrected that.
Also wanted to add a little contrasty accentuation of your classy piece with my slumgun.

On a rainy day, which rifle would be in the Cruiser? A no brainer. You did well, my friend. Want to build me one?

What, I ask, is the iron sight option?

JudgeG,
You are most kind.

The iron sight is one of those horrid NECG peeps (carried in pants pocket) on the QRW rear base, NECG banded front sight and brass bead with a pop-up "H&H Moon Bead."
A pop-up peep attached to rear base would be better, I am open for an upgrade there.

The QRW bases are 8x40-ed and epoxied to the action, with the same J-B Weld that "decorates" the stock exterior.

You can do better than me for a stockist!

Leupold 1.5-5X, same as yours.

Why waste you time on the internet with an idiot//??? since he know so much tell him to have at it.

as Ronald Reagan said about the dimocrats "...it's not that they're wrong all the time, it's just that they know so much that isn't true...".

the guy probably voted for the obaminator too.

Rich
DRSS

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Invite him over here for a thrashing ...

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Tell him that the 300 is for manly girls , the 375 Rum is for manly men .....If Remington had thot the 300 was such a great dangerous game rifle they wouldn,t have invented the 338 and 375 RUMs ....There are some real ignoramisis up here who think it,s just great for bear hunting ... From 400 yards ... All it proves is if you get lucky and nothing is going wrong a 308 Win will kill alot of different animals , just like a bow and arrow will ......... It would prolly be just great at braining an elephant @ 200 yards with a GS FN solid ............... Thats sportsmanship at it,s highest ... Fat, lazy piece of trash , People who routinely use a 30 caliber to hunt real heavy and dangerous game need the s--- kicked out of them .... .. just my own humble opinion ya know !!

Guys don't be so tough on the 300 RUM! God knows the RUMs have been very good to me! Most know if it had not been for the RUMs there would be no 416 B&M-458 B&M-50 B&M-and 500 MDM. I can't think of a better use for the 300 RUM? In addition if there had never been a 300 RUM there would have never been a Winchester M70 chambered in one, and this particular Win M70 makes mighty fine 500 MDM rifles!

Just drop by your local gunshop and from time to time one of the idiots will drop by and start running their mouths off! I have heard it all, from 1500 yd deer kills to pure BS in all directions. Sometimes I take them to task, sometimes just leave them to be idiots. These days I tend to just let them remain idiots. I remember once a fellow was spouting off about his deer slaying 7mm Rem and how powerful it was and that he would not hesitate to use it on Cape Buffalo, he was quite sure it would explode a buff and there would be nothing left. On this day my mood was somber, so I allowed as to how he should immediately book a buff hunt and give it a try. (This fellow of course had never in his life seen a buff) I was more of the mind that this fellow did not need to pass genetic material into the population so I was content to allow him his fantasies and could only hope he would in fact take his 7mm buff hunting!

Good uses for the RUMs!


SS and Wood 500 MDM

Blue and Myrtle 500 MDM

Michael

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Originally posted by gumboot458:

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Invite him over here for a thrashing ...

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Tell him that the 300 is for manly girls , the 375 Rum is for manly men .....If Remington had thot the 300 was such a great dangerous game rifle they wouldn,t have invented the 338 and 375 RUMs ....There are some real ignoramisis up here who think it,s just great for bear hunting ... From 400 yards ... All it proves is if you get lucky and nothing is going wrong a 308 Win will kill alot of different animals , just like a bow and arrow will ......... It would prolly be just great at braining an elephant @ 200 yards with a GS FN solid ............... Thats sportsmanship at it,s highest ... Fat, lazy piece of trash , People who routinely use a 30 caliber to hunt real heavy and dangerous game need the s--- kicked out of them .... .. just my own humble opinion ya know !!

Don't hold back tell him how you really feel. I agree with you though.
The 300 RUM was a good start and I like the 338 and used to have one. I think the 375 is better. The biggest drawback was the guns mostly came in Remingtons which make them useless. Too bad more companies didn't pick them up.
I allways found the 300 RUM shooter to be misinformed and full os sh!t. I have offered the services of my chrony to a few to settle arguments but they seem chicken too. I don't think they put 180's at 3800 plus. I told him maybe 125's and said shoot over my chronograph. His reply was 'a what?' He would not shoot over the chrony. Reality sucks

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The biggest drawback was the guns mostly came in Remingtons which make them useless.

Ain't that the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Michael

In the open I wouldn't hesitate to use my 338-378 Wby on a brown bear but would prefer something bigger and heavier in the thick stuff. Using it for African DG would never cross my mind. It has alot of energy but it is still just a 338 cal. Next on the wish list is something in 416 or 458 cal. Just have to wait for the funds.

Ken....

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Originally posted by PoppaW:
--- I don't think they put 180's at 3800 plus. I told him maybe 125's and said shoot over my chronograph. His reply was 'a what?' He would not shoot over the chrony. Reality sucks

Perhaps not , but Ive got a load with the now no longer produced AA-8700
driving (very accurately) a 200 sierra at 3420.
( Gamma Master--New Brass,Flat primers, No cratering, acceptable expansion measurements)

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Originally posted by PoppaW:

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Originally posted by gumboot458:

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Originally posted by Macifej:
Invite him over here for a thrashing ...

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Tell him that the 300 is for manly girls , the 375 Rum is for manly men .....If Remington had thot the 300 was such a great dangerous game rifle they wouldn,t have invented the 338 and 375 RUMs ....There are some real ignoramisis up here who think it,s just great for bear hunting ... From 400 yards ... All it proves is if you get lucky and nothing is going wrong a 308 Win will kill alot of different animals , just like a bow and arrow will ......... It would prolly be just great at braining an elephant @ 200 yards with a GS FN solid ............... Thats sportsmanship at it,s highest ... Fat, lazy piece of trash , People who routinely use a 30 caliber to hunt real heavy and dangerous game need the s--- kicked out of them .... .. just my own humble opinion ya know !!

Don't hold back tell him how you really feel. I agree with you though.
The 300 RUM was a good start and I like the 338 and used to have one. I think the 375 is better. The biggest drawback was the guns mostly came in Remingtons which make them useless. Too bad more companies didn't pick them up.
I allways found the 300 RUM shooter to be misinformed and full os sh!t. I have offered the services of my chrony to a few to settle arguments but they seem chicken too. I don't think they put 180's at 3800 plus. I told him maybe 125's and said shoot over my chronograph. His reply was 'a what?' He would not shoot over the chrony. Reality sucks

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. I wouldn,t have been able to contain my self , I,de of clubbed the s ,Taken his rifle and chronographed it , showed him how much in fantasy land he was then prolly beat on him some more

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Originally posted by ALF:
What if you should load that 300 RUM with Monometal FN's would this arguement still be a slam dunk? Perhaps not ???????????????

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Originally posted by gumboot458:

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Originally posted by ALF:
What if you should load that 300 RUM with Monometal FN's would this arguement still be a slam dunk? Perhaps not ???????????????

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. On a non CNS shot , you bet it is ..! On a chest shot on a 900 lb plus totally pissed off brown bear @ 20 feet .you bet it is ..... A 416 or 458 with an expanding bullet will knock it down . the 300,s will just make it run faster ...

At 20 feet and running I'd want something 600 or BIGGER!! and good life insurance.

Trust me , the 458 and 416 work ...
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Originally posted by gumboot458:
Trust me , the 458 and 416 work ...
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Prolly the reason 416 remingtons are gaining popularity in your neck of the woods. can't knock something that works, unless its posted on the internet.

John

.. And the 416 Ruger also !!..
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. I like that , Unless it,s posted on the internet .

Haven't played with the 416 Ruger yet, ballistically seems to be the same as the others. But I imagine it will be more cost effective which should give it some staying power. I have used 300 win on deer, noticed a lot of jellied meat. The 375 is like a giant 06 when it comes to meat preservation and knock down power.

I often ruffle feathers by saying that after the 30-06, the next logical step is the 338 win mag. 7mm Mag and all the other super magnum worshipers often find this toughest to digest.

John

Wow Midas how old are you? you act like your still in high school, you must have been picked on alot growing up, and for that i feel bad for you, talk about speaking with a forked tounge, first things first ive never said the 300RUM was anything near a dangerous game cartridge so what orriface you pulled that out of i have no idea, if your going to start something than at least get the story straight, if your going to lie about what was said and how it came to be than put a link to the other post, in truth it was a post from a guy asking about the 300RUM and it's intended use was for elk, not "dangerous game" and you started trash talking the RUM, and saying it had nothing more to offer than the 300WM, witch is false, you stated it was ridiculas to bottle neck a dangerous game cartridge, and i said the 300WM started from the 375 H&H, that was the only refference to dangerous game, so you backed the 300WM and trashed the 300RUM when infact they both have similar heritage, so now you want to come over here to get people on your side by telling them lies, you really need to grow up,

and to everybody on this site i'm sorry you had to waste your time on something so petty'
Matt..

Here is a link to the other post, look for yourself, and you decide who is telling the truth,
http://www.gunandgame.com/foru...ra-mag-shooters.html