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Originally posted by chuck375:
Our Rem XCR II in 375 weighs 7 1/4 lbs with a 2-8x Leupold on it sans sling and unloaded. I know it's not a CRF, but it shoots great is corrosion resistant and the stock just seems to soak up recoil. It kicks less than the 9 lb CZ 550 in 375 H&H I used to own (that rifle has grown up to be an 11.25 lb 500 Jeffery).

How is that possible? Physics say the heavier rifle has to have less recoil, if the cartridge is the same.

Because Remington tupperware stocks flex considerably and give less recoil.

Tons of things influence recoil.

Some that aren't always thought of is stock material, stock design and then you get back into the normal stuff like bullet weight, bullet velocity, powder charge, cartridge, and rifle weight.

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Because Remington tupperware stocks flex considerably and give less recoil.

Tons of things influence recoil.

Some that aren't always thought of is stock material, stock design and then you get back into the normal stuff like bullet weight, bullet velocity, powder charge, cartridge, and rifle weight.

Spot on.

Also a lighter rifle with better stock fit reduces felt recoil.

I have several rifles in 375 H&H. Each weighs about 9 to 9 1/2 lbs w/ scope, sling, and full magazine. I have 1 rifle in 416 Rem that weighs a little over 10 lbs. It has a brake on it.

Whenever I feel like our 7.25 lb 375 Weatherby is kicking I just put 5 rounds down range with the 500 Jeffery. Then the 375 feels just like shooting a 30-06. Of course the recoil could be affecting my brain ...

That flex affects accuracy in my experience. I can bend the stock by getting into a tight shooting position. I'll take the recoils with accuracy. No Tupperware for me

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Because Remington tupperware stocks flex considerably and give less recoil.

Tons of things influence recoil.

Some that aren't always thought of is stock material, stock design and then you get back into the normal stuff like bullet weight, bullet velocity, powder charge, cartridge, and rifle weight.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
Whenever I feel like our 7.25 lb 375 Weatherby is kicking I just put 5 rounds down range with the 500 Jeffery. Then the 375 feels just like shooting a 30-06. Of course the recoil could be affecting my brain ...

Masochist, hole crap that 500 sounds horrible. What do old boxers have? Water on the brain?

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A lighter object takes less energy to stop once in motion. Moves quicker at first, stops quicker. Less felt recoil,

There's a lot of truth in that, even if it seems counter intuitive. The light weight rifles recoil fast, and stops just as fast. The expected violence doesn't materialize. Sort of like a baseball pitcher throwing a bag of chips at you. My current .375 isn't much over 8 pounds, and doesn't need to weigh 10.

Back hunting again?

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That flex affects accuracy in my experience. I can bend the stock by getting into a tight shooting position. I'll take the recoils with accuracy. No Tupperware for me

And how many times can one get into a tight shooting position when hunting. The same can be said for barrel band sling swivels that are popular on big bores.

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
That flex affects accuracy in my experience. I can bend the stock by getting into a tight shooting position. I'll take the recoils with accuracy. No Tupperware for me

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Because Remington tupperware stocks flex considerably and give less recoil.

Tons of things influence recoil.

Some that aren't always thought of is stock material, stock design and then you get back into the normal stuff like bullet weight, bullet velocity, powder charge, cartridge, and rifle weight.

Well if that is the case then my Rem 700 SPS 375 must be able to put 3 into a tight clover leaf instead of 3/4 of an inch at 100mts.

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Originally posted by Rule 303:

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Originally posted by gunslinger55:
That flex affects accuracy in my experience. I can bend the stock by getting into a tight shooting position. I'll take the recoils with accuracy. No Tupperware for me

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Originally posted by Big Wonderful Wyoming:
Because Remington tupperware stocks flex considerably and give less recoil.

Tons of things influence recoil.

Some that aren't always thought of is stock material, stock design and then you get back into the normal stuff like bullet weight, bullet velocity, powder charge, cartridge, and rifle weight.

Well if that is the case then my Rem 700 SPS 375 must be able to put 3 into a tight clover leaf instead of 3/4 of an inch at 100mts.

Maybe, maybe not. What you are likely to notice is that POI is less likely to shift between positions, be less sensitive to position on a rest, not have a major shift if you hang a bipod on it and less likely to be able to aim at a bench by bending the stock with thumb pressure.

Granted, none of that may matter at close range and some people can't shoot well enough to tell at any range.

Our 375 XCR II shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards. Haven't seen any POI change with sling or without it. I shot my brown bear with it at 13 yards. Seems to work fine.

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If your mindset is right then weight really won't be a factor.

When did they start making shoulder replacement parts with a mindset?

Mindset is very important, but broken titanium rods and sockets will set you back $50,000.00

IF the mess can even be repaired.

Stock shape has a lot to do with felt recoil!

A friend brought a 9.3x64 rifle with such a horrible stock, it felt much worse to me than a 460 Weatherby magnum!

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Originally posted by chuck375:
Our 375 XCR II shoots 1/2" groups at 100 yards. Haven't seen any POI change with sling or without it. I shot my brown bear with it at 13 yards. Seems to work fine.

Recoil is an individual thing, and everyone should know their limit, to macho recoil is a sure-e-nuff way to ruin a great hunt with wounded animals..A 180 gr. 30-06 is damn deadly on about any animal if the bullet is stuck in the right spot, and a 500 NE in the guts is a gut shot, end of story...

I have shot big bores all my life until a recent very bad hand injury. If I practiced during the year and shot from time to time recoil bothered me not at all with any caliber, if I laid off for 3 or 4 months it always took me awhile to get back to shooting the big bores well...

Today the biggest thing I can shoot with this hand is the 9.3x62, 35 Whelen, or 338..The 375 pushes the limit and the 416 is a no no..The middle finger gets hit and I'm on my knees!