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What big bore has the best penetration with similar soft nose bullets? I think that a 416 with a 450 grainer would be good? Or a .458 with 550 grain bullets.. How is the penetration with the .600 OK with the 900 grain woodleigh SP?? I remeber that one .600 OK owner shot a big hog with the 900 grain sp at 2100 FPS? and it did not go through? If the velocity was 2300+ FPS the penetration would not be good at all? Is there any other SP bullets made for the .600 OK? With lead.. not only copper. //OK | ||
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Difficult to answer that question. Depends on bullet construction and speed and sec.density. With traditional lead nosed bullets, heavy for caliber and moderate/slow speed is best. For monosolids like Barnes X or similar bullets, more speed will giver better penetration. But lots of variables here.. | |||
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buffalo.. What bullets do you use in your .577 tyrannosaur? I remember that you said that the woodleigh bullets did not hold up at the velocity that the t-rex give..?? did they penetrate bad? //OK | |||
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Thats a hard question to answer in positive terms but I know the 450 gr. Woodleigh in a .416 has "enough" penetration... My choice would be the Northfork cup point and its a highbread soft or lowbread solid!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The NF Cups in my 470 double penetrated as follows: 1st shot hit buff just aft of last rib...he just had gotten up, facing away from me...and exited from the middle of his chest...it is still in Zim. 2nd, 3rd and 4th shots were as he came to pay us a visit and hit him square in the chest. All 3 of these were found by skinner in the belly...after passing thru about 3.5' of buff. all of the bullets were within 6" of each other and they all looked alike...just like Mike said they should...expanded to the bottom of the cup point. best bullet available for buff...nice compromise between solid and soft. Gary DRSS NRA Lifer SCI DSC | |||
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Overkill, Here's that big porker that turned my 900gr Woodleigh into a large smoking ball and didn't exit. Ed Plummer sells the Kodiak 900's that look a lot like the Woodleighs but are much harder for the higher speeds of the Overkill round. I haven't tested them yet but will soon at around 2200+ fps. Ed thinks they may be too hard, we'll see. Ed also sells that wonderfull looking 800gr Mono X-type expander that, while expensive, looks like a penetrating monster.    | |||
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I'm waiting to hear about the 45.70 shooting through two buff.  Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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600 Overkill, Did you found the bullet? picture? That was a real monster hog...  Please remember to tell me how the kodiak bullet work when you test it! //OK | |||
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That's a pile of bacon! Didn't exit?  What did it look like inside? Roger QSL | |||
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Yes woodleigh expands to much over 2100 f/s. I use Barnes X 750 grs at 2600 f/s. Otherwise only solids like GS Custom FN 800 grs and Lutz Moeller (see http://www.lima-wiederladetechnik.de/ ) FN solid at 800 grs also at a speed of 2460-2500 f/s.. | |||
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It definitley scrambled his inerds but no, I didn't get the recovered bullet like I wanted to. It was cut up by the guides meat processor and even though I asked specifically for it, I didn't get it. I think he kept it as a souvenir  I will try the Kodiaks next at a touch higher speed. | |||
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bullet construction, SD, velcoity, cross sectional "density".. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Buffalo.. With the 750 grain barnes x at 2600 FPS I think you get plenty of penetration  How did you do when you test the woodleigh sp? was it Very bad penetration? 600 Overkill, When do you get the Kodiak bullets? It would be very nice if you post pictures of them then when you have test them.. What barrel lenght do you have on your .600? what do you think is max velocity for a 900grainer? Sorry for my bad english! //OK | |||
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Havent tried the 750 X on game. But it will penetrate far no doubt... Woodleigh was good at 1900 - 2000 f/s, but expands too much after that so that it will compromise penetration. | |||
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Is the Kodiak bullet bonded?? //OK | |||
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If you use a monometal brass solid at 2200fps the .600OK will go through 6-8ft of solid Oak, use a woodleigh soft point and it will only penetrate 12 inches or less but becomes a big smokin ball of lead.I agree that somewhere in between there is a need for custom bullets and my guess is it will be a copper based bullet. I've never recover any of them in game so far. Woodleighs simply split open every deer I've shot with it. Ground squirels are vaporized!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I shot a bear in MN with a 650gr Woodleigh (BPX bullet) from my T-Rex about 3 years ago. I loaded it down precisely because I didn't want to 'split open' the animal as this ruins the pelt. The bullet entered just in front of the left rear thigh and was found between the neck and front right leg just under the skin. The bullet traveled 3/4 of it's body length and the bear (155lb) dropped in it's tracks. It looked more like a pie plate than a mushroom. If it was at full power the bullet would have opened up even more and would have exited for sure. I'll try and post a pic tonight or tomorrow. IIR it had a MV of 2000-2100fps and the bear was 7yds away. For deer a full power load is the way to go as there isn't much meat in the ribs anyway. ps. I shot a buck last fall with a 570gr Woodleigh SP from my 510JAB going full speed and it opened up 'a lot' I was in a tree stand and if I wanted to retrieve the bullet I would have needed a shovel and plenty of time.-Let it never be said that I used too little gun for the job.- | |||
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Excellent illustrations from Rob and BMG. Further illustration: I used the 510JAB with 570-grain GSC FN's and Barnes XLC's on an 1830-pound tatanka (bled-out weight verified). Both bullets were just barely over 2400 fps at the muzzle. Impact range was about 75 yards when alive, and about 20 yards after death. Two shots with each bullet. The GSC FN solids were Texas Heart Shots both times. Both went in the rump and exited the neck: Over 8 feet of penetration. The XLC's were both broadside rib shots. Both were retreived from the off side ribs: Less than 3 feet of penetration. I've got pictures. | |||
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So at last the internet has proven that all these big bores kill game, have plenty of penetration!! I knew that! Something else I know and that is there is no such thing as bullet failure with 750 grs. of anything, even cotton!  Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Overkill---yes it is. These wound descriptions are all dead on. I blew the entire left side of this goat out w/ the 600JDJ at only 1900 fps & the Woodleigh. Just simply unbelievable internal damage     | |||
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MUST NOT FORGET TO ADD THAT IT WAS DONE WITH 1:10" TWIST!!!    | |||
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""Something else I know and that is there is no such thing as bullet failure with 750 grs. of anything, even cotton!"" I think you are right.. And if the 900 grain woodleigh is loaded to max 2300-2350 FPS I think that it will give full penetration with a LOT of damage on any bear that is between 100-250kg range. But with a big cape buff and shoulder shots then the copper bullet would be better I think!? BMG, Please remember to post i a picture of the bullet.. it would be very nice to see! //OK | |||
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577 T-Rex vs. Bear I hope the Pic works (if not, let me know how it's supposed to be done). It's a 650gr BPX .585 Woodleigh from my T-Rex about 3yrs ago vs. a small/med black bear (155lb) in MN. I reduced the velocity because I wanted the hide. It penetrated about 3ft @ around 2000-2100fps and just about exited. The bullet did what it was supposed to do at the velocity it was intended to perform. It did a great job. BMG -Let it never be said that I used too little gun for the job.- | |||
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Well, it posted the link  How do I post it so the pic shows up in the body of the message?? -Let it never be said that I used too little gun for the job.- | |||
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I am posting from a work computer and pictures from photobucket, etc., don't show up right now. I will see it later. To have it display in the post, use the "picture icon" when posting, or do it manually like this: [IMG] .... [/IMG] Insert the web address of the pic starting with "http://" and ending in ".jpg" between the [IMG] and the [/IMG] leaving no spaces where the ... is above. | |||
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Cross your fingers!  -Let it never be said that I used too little gun for the job.- | |||
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Thanks RIP   Here is my 510JAB with the deer that fell to it last fall. 570gr Woodleigh SN going about 2400fps. By the way, that is the ENTRANCE hole. The bullet (and about 2 pounds of lung,heart,rib,skin) exited on the right side behind the front shoulder. Thanks again for your help (and reemer) in this project. BMG -Let it never be said that I used too little gun for the job.- | |||
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Harry Selby once told me that the only caliber he had used that penetrated better than the .416 Rigby was the .318 Westley Richards... | |||
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BMG, That's a nice looking #1. What is the caliber specifically and who built it? | |||
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.... BMG , that is a perfact coastal Alaskan deer rifle .....Tho I will probably shoot the 450 gr .510 GSC HV bullet in my 500 A-Sq. and the 500 gr Hawk .050 jacket spitzer ...@ 24-2500 fps they would be even better ..IMO .. .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Hoorah BMG! 
Allow me: That is a .510/460 Weatherby Improved Jenkins and Berry AKA "510JAB." Kevin Jenkins built it. He used to be called "Gun Tailor" and made some TV appearances on Bushnell's "Secrets of the Hunt." Kevin will soon be called "The Gun Doctor," since he is headed to Medical School for an M.D. starting in August 2008. He is the character who is baby sitting the 500 Mbogo, which will have a Vias muzzle brake on it, acquistion of which is holding up the 500 Mbogo. It is a 500 A-square with 30-degree shoulder instead of 35-degree shoulder. Greater case capacity!!! Standard 500 A-Square dies work fine for it. Here are my 510 JAB rifles, Kevin made the brakes on these himself:  BMG has a tank-style brake on his, my brakes are more conventional. The bison above was taken without the brake and without the scope. | |||
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Jeffe- Has the Pics of my Nyati deer destroyer perhaps he can post tem for us. The .600 Ok is worse!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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May be so at that time. But today quite a lot of big bore calibers will penetrate as good as the 416 Rigby / 318 WR or somewhat better. | |||
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RIP pretty much summed it up. About all I can add is that the #1 started life as a 416 Rigby and has a 1:10 Lothar-Walther barrel that is 26" IIR but not positive on the length. It has a BMG brake on it (Serbu) and a 1.75-6x Leupold. BMG -Let it never be said that I used too little gun for the job.- | |||
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I have shot a lot of buffalo with the Woodleigh softs at 2100 to 2600 FPS and I have recovered a lot of bullets and they all expanded quite well and did a lot of internal damage, they also leave a big entrance hole that indicates early expansion, but the recovered bullets are all a perfect or near perfect mushroom...I can't complain about them in the .458 Lott, 416 Rem, 404 Jefferys, 375 H&H, 9.3x62 and 64, or in any of the smaller calibers..I drive them pretty hard in all my guns... Woodleighs have been proving themselves for a long time in the game fields of the world, and I am quite sure they will continue to do so. They work unless you push them at velocities that they were not designed for, and thats not Woodleighs fault, that is ignorance on the part of the shooter for not doing his homework.. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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