I am looking at possibly buying a used rifle in 505 Gibbs. It is a 10 pound rifle. I am really curious at what I should expect for recoil. I have shot a 458 Lott and 500 Nitro. The recoil on these rifles certainly got my attention, but did not seem excessive.

Thanks!!

My .505 started out at 10 lbs. and for me that was too light. A second big mercury tube and a few other things brought it up to a little over 11 lbs. unloaded and that made it okay. I feel a .505 needs to be about 11.5 - 12 lbs. but that is my opinion. When it comes to the .505 stock design and how it well it fits you means a lot. Does the rifle feel really good when shouldered?

There is a big difference between the Lott and any of the .50+ calibers. The Lott is one heck of a rifle good for anything on earth but I don't know if you can really compare it to the .50+s recoil wise. It is a step up.

I have a 458 lott in a standard ruger #1 and it slaps the hell out of you with 500 grain factory loads. Rifle weighs 9.25 lbs. Most of my bigger guns don't punch that hard on my shoulder.I have a very light weight 500 Jeffery 6 1/2 lbs. It has a small muzzle brake on it, it kicks less than the #1 Lott.

500 gr at 2300 vs 523 at 2250? more than likely the 505 will feel like more, due to the larger amount of powder being burnt ... my 500 jeffery kicks ALOT more than my lott

My 505 Gibbs weighs with a Leupold 2.5 x 10 LPS scope at 13 pounds. That weight is a good client rifle, and not a PH rifle. At this weight it is easy to shoot and easy to hit the target.
Sincerely

I have a 505Gibbs and like the way it shot near 12 lbs empty. I think a 10lb 505 will kick like hell. But should be in same ball park as 500 NE. Way way more than the Lott.

That can be tamed some with a scope and if needed some weight in the butt stock. I recently removed the scope (dropped a pound) and been getting buy with a PAST recoil shoulder pad. I got some panzy thin dress black leather gloves at Christmas and found those are helpful for shooting.

The 600 grain loads will kick more than the 535. But even the 535gr loads will surprise you compared to the 500Gr loads in the Lott.

This is a very expensive gun to feed.

You should seriously consider that gun, if nothing else just for nostalgia, romance, fun or bragging rights!

TP, IMHO, a ten pound .505 is too light for caliber and will kick you like your mother-in-law's mule.

My 505 Gibbs weighs 11 lb. I shoot the 600gn bullets at 2270fps, and the 525gn bullets at 2500 fps. Both those loads feel the same. It has a lot more recoil than a 458 Lott, but it is manageable once you get used to it. Just as an illustration I won the local special snap shoot (special snap is 8 shots in 35 seconds at 25 meters), a few months ago with the 505, and I need to make two reloads in that time as my rifle only holds 3 down and won't close over a chambered round. That was against a group of about 9 other shooters with group 1 and group 2 rifles. So it is quite shootable at that weight without a muzzle break or recoil reducer of any kind. (group 1 is below 0.40, group 2 is .40 to 0.485, over 0.485 is group 3)

I have a M70 in 458 Lott at 10.5 lbs. It is, for me, manageable. I shot a 505, and found it to be a real big bruiser compared to my Lott. The 505, a Dumoulin, was probably 9 lbs., no scope. The 505 belonged to Kevin Robertson, with whom I was hunting in Moz. I would put the 505 in the category of stopping rifle, not necessary for a client.
Kevin shoots clays with his 505, but I ain't that tough or that good.

my 505 is 11-12 lbs and fits me well, a 535 gr flat nose barnes and a load of 141 gr of rl22 are not to bad , move up to a max load of 151 gr and recoil gets a lot sharper. 6 of those off hand ,you will feel like you been in a fight.

JD

What a pity, not having the budget and that both cartridges are banned in Spain grrrr .

Oscar.

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Originally posted by ovny:
What a pity, not having the budget and that both cartridges are banned in Spain grrrr .

Oscar.

Howcome?..caliber ban?.

I now in Portugal they can not reload ammunition.
I French they can not own military calibers.

Yes friend, in Spain the cartridges that have a diameter equal or superior to 12,7 mm and have groove sheath are considered of war and therefore prohibited. A stupidity more legislation on weapon and explosives of Spain.

Oscar.

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I shoot the 600gn bullets at 2270fps, and the 525gn bullets at 2500 fps. Both those loads feel the same. It has a lot more recoil than a 458 Lott,

Gee, ya think?

This thread is like a comedy routine. Fun reading.

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Originally posted by Will:

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I shoot the 600gn bullets at 2270fps, and the 525gn bullets at 2500 fps. Both those loads feel the same. It has a lot more recoil than a 458 Lott,

Gee, ya think?

This thread is like a comedy routine. Fun reading.

g, will, i guess you like being the butt of the joke ...
the guy speak english as a first language and is sharing his experience, with the cartridges mentioned, within their capabilities .. for FREE

I have both and don't see a whole lot of difference when I load the 505 with Reloader 15 to spec velocity. When I use R-22 for the same velocity, the additional powder is enough to make a noticable increase in felt recoil.

The main difference is the Lott is topped out at 500/2300-2400 but a judicious handloader can take the 505 to another plain of existence.

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Originally posted by tiggertate:
The main difference is the Lott is topped out at 500/2300-2400 but a judicious handloader can take the 505 to another plain of existence.

Thats for sure!!!!

Keith

The 505 is a beast on both end. When the flat nose solid hit the bern even at 200 yards it make a cantolope size hole. I shot the barnes fn solids through 30x 1 1/8 inch thick hard plywood highway construction pads. With the 141 gr load of rl 22. t6he 151 gr load is a lot hotter .
141 are supposed to be 2200 fps but i think its faster based on other load data. 151 gr loads lose the muzzel flash and recoil gets much sharper and burns clearner.
All the powder is bieng burned. Rl22 may be a little to slow.

JD

JD

TWICE PIPES CK YOUR PM. You can try my 505 brfore you spend money on one.


JD

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Originally posted by 338User:
My 505 Gibbs weighs 11 lb. I shoot the 600gn bullets at 2270fps, and the 525gn bullets at 2500 fps. Both those loads feel the same. It has a lot more recoil than a 458 Lott, but it is manageable once you get used to it. Just as an illustration I won the local special snap shoot (special snap is 8 shots in 35 seconds at 25 meters), a few months ago with the 505, and I need to make two reloads in that time as my rifle only holds 3 down and won't close over a chambered round. That was against a group of about 9 other shooters with group 1 and group 2 rifles. So it is quite shootable at that weight without a muzzle break or recoil reducer of any kind. (group 1 is below 0.40, group 2 is .40 to 0.485, over 0.485 is group 3)

LOL!! I bet that you had the crowds attention while shooting!!

We do draw a few onlookers. We are the noisiest group on the range, with the possible exception of the black powder cannon. We hold our big game rifle shoot on the 4th sunday of each month at the Madden Range Belmont in Brisbane, and usually there is a 460 wby, a 458 lott, a 458 Win Mag, my 505 Gibbs, a few 375's and 416's, and occasionally a 500 Nitro double, or a 585 Nyati and various other big bores. It draws attention because most people shoot 243's, 270's 308's etc, and anything over 40 cal is unusual
Here is a video of me testing the 525gn load @ 2500fps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFDOzsDJMNk
And from another angle,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HIIVOatxCY
As for penetration, I shot a 600gn solid into a 37cm diameter gum tree from 10 yards, and it went straight through!

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Originally posted by 338User:
We do draw a few onlookers. We are the noisiest group on the range, with the possible exception of the black powder cannon. We hold our big game rifle shoot on the 4th sunday of each month at the Madden Range Belmont in Brisbane, and usually there is a 460 wby, a 458 lott, a 458 Win Mag, my 505 Gibbs, a few 375's and 416's, and occasionally a 500 Nitro double, or a 585 Nyati and various other big bores. It draws attention because most people shoot 243's, 270's 308's etc, and anything over 40 cal is unusual
Here is a video of me testing the 525gn load @ 2500fps
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zFDOzsDJMNk
And from another angle,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HIIVOatxCY
As for penetration, I shot a 600gn solid into a 37cm diameter gum tree from 10 yards, and it went straight through!

What was your 2500 fps load. I have shoot 535 gr barnes banded solids through 30 -1 1/8" hardwood plywood construction pads with 141 gr of rl22, I have loaded 151 grs of rl22 witch is the max load per the book and my shoulder. 2 or 3 of those and I am done. 500 gr woodleighs softs out of my double only got to 15 or 18 to give you a comparison

JD

I use 130gn AR2209 with the 600gn Woodleigh, and 142gn of AR2209 with the 525gn Woodleigh. AR2209 is equivalent to H4350 in the USA.
I haven't tried the Barnes 505 cal bullets because no one imports them here, and it is a hassle to do it yourself for 50 cal items. Neither of those loads shows any pressure signs in my rifle, but please work up from a few grains below for safety. Also note that I found some erratic ignition (i.e. lots of unburned powder going through the chronograph and causing erroneous readings) with loads of less than 126gn of AR2209, so don't drop them too far.

with my 500 A- Sq. the load I shot most was a 600 gr rnsp. pushed by 116 gr of IMR 4320 . that was the original load data Mr Alphin provided before Any Shot You Want came out . The max book load is 115 gr of 4320 now. Max Lott loads w/500 gr bullets open the door into that level of recoil but don,t really make it thru the door . .As I remember .those loads chrohoed @ 2380 fps . Since you guys are putting up to 150 plus gr of medium slow powder in the 505 case . No doubt you are generating more recoil than I was .. the Hanible handled recoil pretty well . It weighed around 12 lbs .

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Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
I have a 458 lott in a standard ruger #1 and it slaps the hell out of you with 500 grain factory loads. Rifle weighs 9.25 lbs. Most of my bigger guns don't punch that hard on my shoulder.I have a very light weight 500 Jeffery 6 1/2 lbs. It has a small muzzle brake on it, it kicks less than the #1 Lott.

I have a Ruger No. 1 in .458 Lott. Recoil w/ 500 gr. bullets runs about 65 ft. lbs.

You can calculate recoil on this site:

http://huntamerica.com/recoil_calculator/

Enter bullet wt. Velocity, powder charge wt. and gun weight and it computes the recoil.

Nice for comparing stuff like 505 Gibbs to a .223 Rem. *LMAO*

It depends which recoil calculator you use, but I think my loads both give around 102 ft lbs of recoil energy and 24 fps of recoil velocity. There is no dicernable difference shooting one over the other, so even though the calculator in the previous post says the 525gn load generates 107 ft lbs, I am more inclined to believe the one at handloads.com. I have had the 600gn bullet up to 2380fps with 137gn AR2209 or with 144gn AR2213SC (equiv to H4831SC) and the extra recoil generated is around 10 to 12 ft lbs. It is a very noticable increase, so I am sure I would be able to feel 5 ft lbs extra. By the way, once you get over 110 ft lbs of recoil it is not that pleasant to shoot. I decided to keep the 600gn load close to the recommended max velocity of 2200 fps (its there or below after travelling only 25 yards), and the 525gn load at 2500 because I didn't see any point in driving the 525gn bullet faster. It absolutely flattens pigs, and that's all I will use it on. The 600gn load is for buffalo.

There is a major step up in felt recoil between the 141 gr load of rl22 and the 151 gr load . recoil volicity is much faster the sound of the blast is much sharper and it shoot clearner.

I used to think that the .458 Lott kicked hard, until I moved up to a big fifty - in my case, a .500 A-Square. Now the Lott seems almost mild in comparison!

Never shot a 458, but my 375 H&H loaded with 350g Woodleighs at 2400 fps feels like a 30-06 compared to my 500 Jeffery shooting 570g TSX's at 2410 fps ...