From: Military Rifle & Machine Gun Cartridges
By: Jean Huon
Ironside International Publishers, Inc.
Alexandria, VA 22313-0055
French Ed. (1986): ISBN 2 - 85180 - 122 8
USA/English Ed. (1988): ISBN 0 - 935554 - 05 X




It may be only .596"/caliber, but the case is bigger than 700 NE necked down!
3.717" case length.
0.898" rim diameter
0.822" base diameter

Late 1800's.
BP or Cordite?

600 NE 3" was 1903 by W. J. Jeffery, right?

And get a load of the .75 Jingal,
like a 750 NE 3-1/8",
or an 11GaFH Short.

As you were.

I am thinking about the ultimate Ruger No. 1 cartridge.

Case: Does it have to be flanged/rimmed? Yes.
577 NE rim is the biggest usable.

Caliber: "Fifty-Caliber" (.510") bullets from 450 grains to 750 grain are the most useful projectiles.
No discussion needed for me on that bullet caliber.

577/500 NE 3-1/8" is a little smaller on base and rim than the 577 NE 3",
and a little bigger than a .505 Gibbs in the base.

The 577/500 3-1/8" made the transition to full Nitro Express loads with 570-grain bullets loaded by Kynoch, IIRC.

This suggests that brass for it might be at least as stout as the other standard NE cases.

Jamison makes a run of that brass, now and then.
"Call for price and availability" is how the Buffalo Arms catalog puts it.

Sumbuddy who know Jamison 577/500 NE 3-1/8" brass?

Might even interest a Chinaman during the Boxer Rebellion.

One could run 577/500 NE 3-1/8" brass into .505/.510 Gibbs dies and produce a "50 Gibbs Flanged"
or "500 Gibbs Nitro Express 3-1/8" ... of sorts ...

quote:

I am thinking about the ultimate Ruger No. 1 cartridge.

12 x 127 Chupacabra BP Especiale or something ...

(.475" x 5" rimmed) The BP "BOOM" will scare the game to death. Components from all the usual sources.

How many blew up on firing?-Rob

Rip- I was thinking at one time of using the 577-500 brass
as a 585HE Rimmed case for use in the NEF I put my
original 585HE in. Its base being little smaller than 577NE
it would of been swaged to same base size as my 585HE,
and my dies would have worked for loading. The reworking
process would have made it as long as my 585HE, 3.25".
But I couldn't find any and my belted one worked super perfect
in the NEF anyway. Ed

There is a gentleman in south Texas that has a jingal rifle. We built a dummy ctg from barstock using dimensions found God only knew where. I'll call JM and I'll try to post some pictures. The rifle is a monster! It looks like the biggest mauser rifle you have ever seen. I though we had miced the bore at .68 caliber not .60 though.

Andy

Andy,
Love to see anything related to the Jingal.
Seems they had several different calibers, eh?
I read that they copied some rifles like the German anti-tank Mauser bolt action in post WWI.

However, the Chinese used some "wall guns" in the muzzle loading era too.
Great Wall, Great Guns.
The Chinaman above has his finger in the wrong ear!

The rare and top dollar cartridge specimen from the collection of an anonymous photo donor, behold the .60 Jingal!
Other cartridges shown for comparison are 460 Steyr, 50 BMG, and 600 NE 3":

Just for clarification, .60 Jingal



Bobby Jindal:



I can't be the only one who was getting confused.

Good man:
Bobby Jindal


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The state of things to come:

If The Good Governor of the Great State of Louisiana developed his own cartridge what would it be eh ...??

The ...

"HP - Long"

"Dixinerator"

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".50 Jindal"
577/500 NE 3-1/8" sized and fire-formed into the shape of a .505/.510 Gibbs Flanged.
Eminently practical, maximal utility, the conservative approach.

Actually the Chinese beat the Germans to an anti-material,
later to be anti-tank cartridge...........but they copied it from
our 650 and 750 Gatling cases from the 1880s.Anyone
with pictures of the Gatling cases?Ed

Ed,
Ken Howell's book has case drawings for the .65, .75, and 1" Gatling gun cartridges.

The .75 Gatling is 3.80" long and looks to eyeball, externally, like a dead ringer for an RMC 3.85" 12Ga brass case.
It would take a micrometer to tell the difference.

I Googled a little and noted that the U.S. Army developed a 1" Gatling gun as early as 1865, approved it for acceptance in 1866,
but never put it in service, though the civilian makers made them and sold them worldwide.

1" Gatling guns saw navy use primarily.

Then there was the 1.5" Hotchkiss gun that saw naval use too, and it was a 4-barrel-handcrank-fired variation of the Gatling gun.

577/500, if one slightly drew the cases down, and set to .505 bullet yes, the 505 gibbs comes from that parent cases. .. regardless of what a$$clot says later .. i made my 550 flanged from these cases, on purpose ... but, you don't have any reason to improve the 577/500 if you are using a ruger ... its a HUGE case, and can easily make 570/2150 in a modern gun. its WAY bigger than the 500 NE in volume

BUT, yeah, you could use a 505/510 improved RIMLESS reamer to cut a ruger barrel chamber, and use the same dies ... just would need a boring bar to make the rim cut, no big deal

I called Buffalo Arms, and Jamison themselves, no 577/500NE3-1/8" brass available.
Maybe next year.

OK, so the U.S. Army pioneered the Nitro Express cartridges with the Gatling gun.

Here is a comparison of the 700 H&H NE 3.5" to the .750 Gatling,
with the 12GaFH-RMC-3.85" max dimensions in red
(from Ken Howell's book, ... CUSTOM CARTRIDGES ... page 426:

I've got Ken's 1st book and I also noticed the similarity of
our 12GA FH case and the 700NE to the 750 Gatling a while ago and
650 Gatling to the Jingal when you posted this thread.Can't
find pictures yet.

On the page from his book above he says no substitute to make a
700NE, but the I made one real easy from our 12GA FH.Ed

That Rifle looks like an artilery Piece, Rip.