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I am never going to africa or anywhere else but N.A.,,,all I want is a .500 to shoot hard lead bullets,,,mostly on BIG hogs and bears,,,and boulders,,,old cars,,,cantankerus wild cattle,,,etc.I have a m70 pusher in .300 win. for a donor.With a minimum of mod.s to the action( I may want to do something else later )what caliber( I am thinkin' the AR) is the way to go?.Thanks to all contributors NEVER THE LEAST DEGREE OF LIBERTY IN EXCHANGE FOR THE GREATEST DEGREE OF SECURITY | ||
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Panzer Might want to check out the B&M .500s. Not .510--.500 caliber. Go to the website listed down below. But your push feed 300Win M70 won't work with these! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Or just get yourself an old M 1868 Trapdoor or rebarrel a Swedish rolling block to .50-70, the original great American .50. There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author | |||
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How about a .500 Whisper, based on the .460Wby case cut to 2.5"? It will fit in a 'regular' rifle and can be used w/subsonic or supersonic loads (rightmost below). 
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When I say""for north America""I mean I am not going to need to spend $$ for jacketed/mono DG bullets,,,I still want the velocity to be able to hit 2000 fps minimum with a 600,,,I know there are tempered lead bullets/hard alloy bullets and lube combinations out there that will surpass this threshold,,, NEVER THE LEAST DEGREE OF LIBERTY IN EXCHANGE FOR THE GREATEST DEGREE OF SECURITY | |||
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Will this work? 500 S&W magnum http://data.hodgdon.com/cartridge_load.asp or http://www.leverguns.com/artic...erson/50_alaskan.htm | |||
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Buy a $20/year subscription to AmmoGuide...run online searchs for .500 and .510 size bullets...the list is too long to piecemeal on forums. All the components are readily available through several online companies. My Rigby based 510 Makatak works great in an old Ruger tang model with 525gr WFLGC hard cast lead bullets with just a slight amount of MotoDremel work on the ramp and rails for the large bullet noses to chamber...but I would recommend a smaller dia, belted mag case or WSM/RUM case for most applications. There are several very good 50 cals available that would work in your rifle with very little to no major alterations that will do the job you want...WITHOUT major costs if you pick the right one...basically just a rebarrel or re-bore. McGowen will do you a 500AR cheap enough or sell you a very nice barrel unchambered but contoured to your specs barrel for less than $200. Do your search homework for 50 cal, .500, .510 etc, this forum is full of just what you're looking for. There is also some on 24 Hour Campfire, Greybeard and several other "bigbore" forums. Luck | |||
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with a pushfeed model 70, your boltfoce modifications will be part of sorting out which gunsmith will be ABLE to do the work correctly. your choices are 500 AR (.510), 500 MDM (.500) and 500 cyrus (.500) for the easiest ... obviously i am a bit biased to the 500AR, which is based off the rigby case now, if you want to be able to shoot low $$, and a big bore ... consider the 458 AR ... you can put an AB barrel on your m70, chamber, slight feeding, and chuck 600gr .458 hard cast .. but 450gr hardcast, at 2000fps will nail any north american critter... the 458 caliber is the cheapest of true bigbores to shoot, due to bullet selection ... rem 405s for about a quarter today ... hard to beat them ... the 416/458/470ar use rather cheap RUM cases, as compared to all others.. fireform, trim,reeload go hunting opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Why not a Marlin 1895 in .50 Alaskan or .510 Kodiak Express? Can't get more North American than that! Mike Wilderness is my cathedral, and hunting is my prayer. | |||
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i reckon the stated performance threshold sort of precludes some of the neato lever guns opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Not any of the currently available lever rifles, except a 50-110 in an 1886 Winchester or clone. Rich | |||
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I have a hankering for a 50-70 Trapdoor Springfield. I shall call her "Lucretia Borgia." Original idea? Well, just call me "Buffalo Rip."  | |||
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I would check out the AR or the B&M. Just remember Trail Boss powder is available for filling large cases for reduced loads | |||
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HEY George! this is an interesting possibility,,,if I wanted to shoot varmints,do you think I could get 2500 with a 450gr.?? 
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Sell the M70. Buy a CZ550 action & send it to AHR to have a 500AHR built. I had the pleasure of shooting my good friends 500AHR yesterday in a big bore match, and completely love that rifle. It was very hard giving her back to him | |||
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I guess you could use it for those big bears in north america or go to africa. | |||
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If you're serious, contact SSK Industries for the answer to your question. If they can get 1900fps for a 650gr. from a 17", 2500fps with a 450gr. may be possible from a 20"-22" barrel. This will fit in a ruger M77, so it should fit in your M70. George | |||
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 I am startin' to think that I should keep the 70 as a .300,( it is very very accurate ),stop the '06 build on my FN98 action,( that I JUST bought a barrel for ),and use that for a .500 build........................  NEVER THE LEAST DEGREE OF LIBERTY IN EXCHANGE FOR THE GREATEST DEGREE OF SECURITY | |||
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So many choices so little time.  | |||
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How about a bit more diameter that will shoot these hardcast 650 gr, 2300 plus with ease. Barrels cost about same, and any controlled feed action works.And these are hard enough, and lubed, to go top speeds in my two bigger cases.Ed  MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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I'd look for an old semi-custom commercial FN on one of the auction sites. Decent ones still go for as little as $300-$400, sometimes less, and rebarrel to 500AR. http://www.gunbroker.com/Aucti....aspx?Item=195355548 (not mine) NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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That is what I said when the man said he could do them, sized and lubed for 75 cents each. That is 1/5 the cost of the Woodleighs in the corner box, and I have shot up 800 bucks worth of Woodleighs in testing my 585s. The case I mention is the 585 Short HE that headspaces like the B&M cases, shown in that thread. Its overall loaded length is same as 30-06/458Win length cases and actions that work for 06 works for 585 Short HE.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Ed Boomy has been after me to do a 577BM. I am not so sure about that. With your 585 Short, has that been put on a Winchester M70? If so, details please. Now, what bolt face? I have some useless 300 Winchesters laying around. Would have to be that bolt right? Now, I would assume that this would be two down in the magazine, which is fine. Would they retain in the magazine and function proper? What would one have to do to get 100% feed, function and retain with a Win M70? If you guys have done that I would be interested in this myself? Like you said, head space like the B&Ms controlled by the extractor. Never, ever an issue or problem. I see no reason for me to try a B&M if you have this up and running on a bolt gun. But I would settle for nothing less than proper feed, function and retain. Two down is fine and not an issue with me as long as they would retain in the magazine when the bolt is worked vigorously let's say. Also, it would be a Winchester or nothing. Would like to learn more. Thanks Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Well we done a Ruger 77 , 2 Enfields, 2 Mauser 98, so a Win 70 should do. Got another planning on Win. Open face to Gibbs size, as case isn't rebated rim. Couple are feeding from mag single stack, which works good. Staggered feed, box have to be widened out. Some have so much fun just singleshot. Murder on deer. PM me your address, I send you some dummies.Ed MZEE WA SIKU | |||
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Ed PM sent! Staggered feed on this would not be the way to go I think, single stack, two down would be excellent and more than enough to work good. Yes, if had to, I too could live with a single for fun, but might could do some really serious work with a good two shooter! I would have zero issues with a two shooter on a M70! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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Cross Well, I always have some things like that hanging around. At one time I was thinking I could make something useful out of them, like some 500 MDMs, but we learned there would be a tremendous amount of "extra" work required to get the 500 MDMs to "retain" in the magazine, as opposed to using an already made 300RUM Winchester, which is an easy convert to 500 MDM. So I had these useless 300s laying around, so I decided to take 5 of them and make something good out of them, 458 Lotts! Having SSK built 5 of these, all 22 inch barrels and Accurate Innovations English and Turkish walnut. If I dug around I could probably come up with another or two, are more to see if we could turn it also into a proper caliber rifle, like a 585! And very much especially after our work with the BBW #13 750 gr .584 caliber bullet! But converting a Winchester to something like that can be a hateful chore if you actually want it to retain, feed, and function proper as a DGR. And that would be all that interests me. Personally I don't have much experience with a single stack, but if we could make that work on a Winchester it would please me a good bit! Michael http://www.b-mriflesandcartridges.com/default.html The New Word is "Non-Conventional", add "Conventional" to the Endangered Species List! Live Outside The Box of "Conventional Wisdom" I do Not Own Any Part of Any Bullet Company, I am not in the Employ Of Any Bullet Company. I do not represent, own stock, nor do I receive any proceeds, or monies from ANY BULLET COMPANY. I am not in the bullet business, and have no Bullets to sell to you, nor anyone else. | |||
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