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Originally posted by Hyak55171:
Anyone have any experience with these for elk size game or larger? Im loading some up now that seem to shoot pretty well in my marlin SBL

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Originally posted by PC:

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:
Anyone have any experience with these for elk size game or larger? Im loading some up now that seem to shoot pretty well in my marlin SBL

Over the years I have shot a lot of these at pigs and other soft skinned animals here in Australia.

And they shoot well in my recently acquired Marlin SBL as well....52.5gr of varget giving just on 1600 fps (safe in my gun, start 15% lower and work up)

Driven at around 1800 fps they are devastating. I don't doubt they will work VERY well on Elk on normal broad side shots, quartering etc.

Texas heart shot..though I'd probably opt for the woodleigh 405 gr 45/70 pill. Your rifle will probably shoot both to close enough POI as not to be an issue.

Of the 45/70 400 gr pills I have used from softest to hardest;

Speer 400 gr FN
Rem 405 gr
Woodleigh 405 gr FN

I'd be happy with any of the above for an elk which is close to our Sambar.

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Originally posted by PC:
Speer 400 gr FN
Rem 405 gr
Woodleigh 405 gr FN

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by PC:
Speer 400 gr FN
Rem 405 gr
Woodleigh 405 gr FN

PC,
How Mate-- been awhile!!

Those speers must be lacquered on copper foil to be softer than a rem 405 .. WOW ... i haven't use this bullet, as Gene and I bought 2k of the rem 405 .. and THOSE are softer than my idiot brother's head!

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Originally posted by PC:

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:
Anyone have any experience with these for elk size game or larger? Im loading some up now that seem to shoot pretty well in my marlin SBL

Over the years I have shot a lot of these at pigs and other soft skinned animals here in Australia.

And they shoot well in my recently acquired Marlin SBL as well....52.5gr of varget giving just on 1600 fps (safe in my gun, start 15% lower and work up)

Driven at around 1800 fps they are devastating. I don't doubt they will work VERY well on Elk on normal broad side shots, quartering etc.

Texas heart shot..though I'd probably opt for the woodleigh 405 gr 45/70 pill. Your rifle will probably shoot both to close enough POI as not to be an issue.

Of the 45/70 400 gr pills I have used from softest to hardest;

Speer 400 gr FN
Rem 405 gr
Woodleigh 405 gr FN

I'd be happy with any of the above for an elk which is close to our Sambar.

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:

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Originally posted by PC:

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:
Anyone have any experience with these for elk size game or larger? Im loading some up now that seem to shoot pretty well in my marlin SBL

Over the years I have shot a lot of these at pigs and other soft skinned animals here in Australia.

And they shoot well in my recently acquired Marlin SBL as well....52.5gr of varget giving just on 1600 fps (safe in my gun, start 15% lower and work up)

Driven at around 1800 fps they are devastating. I don't doubt they will work VERY well on Elk on normal broad side shots, quartering etc.

Texas heart shot..though I'd probably opt for the woodleigh 405 gr 45/70 pill. Your rifle will probably shoot both to close enough POI as not to be an issue.

Of the 45/70 400 gr pills I have used from softest to hardest;

Speer 400 gr FN
Rem 405 gr
Woodleigh 405 gr FN

I'd be happy with any of the above for an elk which is close to our Sambar.

Have you tried shooting the 400gr speer and the woodleigh with the same or similar loads and been able to get close to the same poi? Ive got 200 speers on the way and 100 woodleighs on back order, thinking now maybe I'll use the speers for deer and target practice and save the woodleighs for elk and bigger

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Originally posted by PC:

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:

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Originally posted by PC:

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:
Anyone have any experience with these for elk size game or larger? Im loading some up now that seem to shoot pretty well in my marlin SBL

Over the years I have shot a lot of these at pigs and other soft skinned animals here in Australia.

And they shoot well in my recently acquired Marlin SBL as well....52.5gr of varget giving just on 1600 fps (safe in my gun, start 15% lower and work up)

Driven at around 1800 fps they are devastating. I don't doubt they will work VERY well on Elk on normal broad side shots, quartering etc.

Texas heart shot..though I'd probably opt for the woodleigh 405 gr 45/70 pill. Your rifle will probably shoot both to close enough POI as not to be an issue.

Of the 45/70 400 gr pills I have used from softest to hardest;

Speer 400 gr FN
Rem 405 gr
Woodleigh 405 gr FN

I'd be happy with any of the above for an elk which is close to our Sambar.

Have you tried shooting the 400gr speer and the woodleigh with the same or similar loads and been able to get close to the same poi? Ive got 200 speers on the way and 100 woodleighs on back order, thinking now maybe I'll use the speers for deer and target practice and save the woodleighs for elk and bigger

With my jm 1895 marlin I used to own (I have an SBL now) I zeroed with woodleigh as that was the bullet that would used on the most important game I might shoot and the Speer and 405 gr were close enough as to not be an issue for 45/70 ranges.

The load used for 405gr woodleigh and rem and the Speer 400gr was 48gr AR2207 in a win case and win lr primer. Back off 15% for a starline case.

My load this time is 52.5gr of AR2208 (Varget) for he Speer getting on 1600 fps in the starline case. I still have room ill try 55gr you would struggle to get enough Varget into the case behind the 400gr pill to cause pressure issues. You get super low pressure in the marlin action with varget albeit a few powder zombies in h barrel.

Anyway 55gr of Varget behind the speer 400gr in the starline case and a heavy crimp is a load I would like to try. If I chase sambar with this gun ill load some woodleighs.

I reckon the above load might give 1680-1700 fps,

The AR2207 loads will give higher velocity but pressure is also higher.....if I recall correctly 2207 is your h4198

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Originally posted by df06:
It’s been 15 or so years, but I used my shiloh sharps in 45-70 and a Speer 400 gr on one 6x6 elk. It worked great. I used smokeless powder and a pretty stiff load, but don’t recall the FPS. Recovered the bullet, a perfect mushroom.

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Originally posted by Hyak55171:

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Originally posted by df06:
It’s been 15 or so years, but I used my shiloh sharps in 45-70 and a Speer 400 gr on one 6x6 elk. It worked great. I used smokeless powder and a pretty stiff load, but don’t recall the FPS. Recovered the bullet, a perfect mushroom.

Yes off side under hide. It was a quartering always shot.


Was the bullet recovered on the offside under the hide or?

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Originally posted by 4sixteen:
As Speer advises -

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Originally posted by 4sixteen:
Speer #11. #14 states the same. As mentioned from experience with similar Remington 405gr on Bull Moose I have since dismissed these for hunting. Now load 400gr Barnes Busters in my Marlin.