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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Just as an FYI ...in a cheaper action ... just saying

Jeffe, What are the recommended actions for the 500AR?

I'm not Jeff but I know him pretty well. He will probably tell you a standard length Mauser, one of the nice things about it. I also recommend the 500AR. If using a magnum Mauser action, go with the 500A2 or 500 Mbogo, 505/510 Gibbs for even more power.

I would be interested to hear Jeff's recommendations, too.

In the meantime, many have used a Ruger Hawkeye for the 500AccRel.

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In the meantime, many have used a Ruger Hawkeye for the 500AccRel.

I would like to find one. I am working my way out ward from home and so far none of the smiths that answer phones or emails work on Rugers!

If I were building a .500 I would find a smith who knew big bores and worry less about finding a local one, unless you had a good big bore smith close by. To be even more specific, I would probably email Wayne at AHR.

It can be hard to find someone with the right experience close by.

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Originally posted by Live Oak:

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In the meantime, many have used a Ruger Hawkeye for the 500AccRel.

I would like to find one. I am working my way out ward from home and so far none of the smiths that answer phones or emails work on Rugers!

What I did, following the advice of a couple others on the forum, was to buy a used Ruger Hawkeye as a donor rifle. I found a nice used 375Ruger on Gunbroker for about $600. However, most any calibre will work since you are likely to replace the stock and will certainly modify and bed the stock (after rebarreling, of course). I sent the Ruger rifle to McGowen Barrels in Montana. They cut a barrel, installed sights, chambered the 500AccRel, opened up the bolt face, and got the rounds to feed properly. It was around $700.

In fact, I've done this twice with them because the first barrel had a 1.25" freebore, which turns out to be too long to use with brass bullets. McGowen will do the integrated barrel lug and rear sight island that is used on CZ safari rifles if you request the "CZ barrel lug" profile. The second time I also had the breech end extend the thick part (1.2?")of the barrel 1" longer than the very short CZ breech-end profile.

I would recommend the 12" twist, though a 10" is possible, too. It seems like a very fast twist on paper, but it is extra insurance for such a dangerous game rifle. The CEB bullets with long plastic tips seem to need extra twist beyond standard stability calculations. And extra twist always works as an advantage in the first 100 yards of flight. It is only a detriment when planning to shoot in the 400-1000 yard range where a sniper does not want to preserve the microscopic 'nose-up' attack.

Two expanding bullets can be recommended on the new technology: a 350grain CEB with its 11 grain tip, and the 450 GSC HV.
Should one want slow and heavy, there are many bullets in the 500-600 grain range to try out.

thanks guys --
Just about any standard length action - the round is setup that the case is -.800 from the nose of the bullet, which puts it on the crimp for most cup and core bullets - There's no advantage for going 3.6 ,, I designed it that way, to ACTUALLY be a 3.35 case, or 30-06 length.

winchester, ruger, standard length cz, mauser (a good one), or if want, remington or howa .. i have a 416 on a springfield, actually!!!

all of the accrel's fit in a standard length action - and I and others have literally re barreled 7remmag to a DGR with a barrel swap and stock reinforcement (pins, bedding, barrel lug) and had a good working rifle.

myself, i find i have had a preference for rugers for these.. the actions tend to be a bit wider and less expensive than wins - and less work than a vz24 -- to have a decent trigger, good safety, CRF, .. and ruger rings pretty much return to zero.

Mike - It is pleasing to hear that a guy, experienced to recoil as yourself, state that the recoil is light - for what you get.

I recall one morning we had gone to the range. and the merkel kicked me far harder than my hotter loaded 470 -- though mine was 400 gr at 2500+ vs the traditional 470 load.

What all that means is you can build you accrel lighter than what one might expect . and scope it!!

further, you don't need a long barrel -- 21-23 works great.. 18 is fine.. 25 is too long ...

500 twist- whatever floats your between 10 and 20 -- 12 to 14 is more than fine .. much slower might have issue with longer bullets

if you are going to use a ruger, my "jeffe" profile wont be as pretty as it could be .. i need to measure and send them a "jeffe ruger" profile, rather than basis a cz .. the first taper occurs to soon on my profile, which leaves a gap on rugers.. its not much, but it something that can be averted

i am proud of the accrels .. i have to tell you that .. they worked far better than i had hoped .. and the support from you guys has made them pretty darn cool.

thanks guys