and if you truly are for real Mr Hein then talk to tom ga hunter he might have something for you ,you know he is trying to acquire Winchester

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Originally posted by GregHein:
Snowwolfe,

While I have been judged to be of "no moral" (immoral ?) I can think of only one place better to see one of our rifles than the wilds of AK. and that is Africa. I believe this is due in no small part to the 13 degree reading on my patio thermometer. Fantasizing about warmer climates is a sure sign of poor character of so I have been told.

Greg,
Ah......I been to Africa only once but it is a dream to return. Till then I will have to contend with brown bears, moose and the occassional caribou and blacktail deer. It certainly appears like you build a nice rifle!

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Mr. Hein let us now judge your knowledge of building superior actions.Is your firing pin spring more consitant in strike energy over a Sako's,or a Winchester's? Is it faster? In what single action operation can we easily see the greater quality of your action?Is the locking lug system more accurate or stronger than Remington's,Sako's or Winchester's?Is the safety on your action designed and function superior to other actions?If you answer with reason you will be removed from my list of no moral business owners or those undergoing investigation.

You don't have to be a genius to understand the difference of a custom hand made rifle, and one that is mass produced. Shootaway you seem to have strong opinions on factory rifles...have you ever used a custom gun? Who else is on your list of "no moral business oweners or those undergoing investigation"?

shootaway, in general you're making an ASS out of yourself on several threads.

As I mentioned, listen more and talk less- you'll be better off in the long run.

CL

Anybody who tells others they are an ass,talk too loud swear too much,smoke too much,drink too much.works too much,vacations too much,believes in the wrong thing or just telling anyone how they should be is a loser.You do have the right to give your oppinion on a topic even if it does not agree with other oppinions,that is welcome.But anyone telling others how they should be or calling them names is again a classless loser.

You have just described yourself to perfection.

Mr Hein your time has run out.Your actions are full of shit.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
Move aside fool and let the man answer.

shootaway,
move aside fool and let the men who know guns have an intellegent conversation.

shootaway,

If you would be so kind as to write a short treatise on the "Ideal Rifle", we in the business of building rifles could mold our products to your veiws.

For sure it would be the following-
1. Non full of shit.
2. Yes Moral.


While these may seem to be abstract ideas to many gunmakers, we will go to work on it ASAP.

Are we still under investigation or has it been concluded? Maybe if you re-open our case in a few months you will find us in compliance.

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Originally posted by GregHein:
shootaway,

If you would be so kind as to write a short treatise on the "Ideal Rifle", we in the business of building rifles could mold our products to your veiws.

For sure it would be the following-
1. Non full of shit.
2. Yes Moral.


While these may seem to be abstract ideas to many gunmakers, we will go to work on it ASAP.

Are we still under investigation or has it been concluded? Maybe if you re-open our case in a few months you will find us in compliance.

If I were you, I wouldn't have even taken the time to respond. It's obviously a no-win argument and not worth your time IMO. But thanks for trying to set him straight anyway.

Quality of the USRAC "Custom Shop" sucks... I've examined three or four in stainless and wouldn't take one at half that price.

I guess I'll have to find one and try working the action myself.

Brad,what didn't you like about the Wincester custom rifle?

I agree, Brad, I have examined quite a few of these over-hyped, over-priced travesties of a once magnificent rifle at one of the major Vancouver gunstores. I actually thought of buying one to go with my Dakota 76-.338 Win., but, I have yet to see one that I would even consider paying full retail for, let alone the $$$$ the Custom Shop wants.

I have handled a nice .375 H&H that Chris Weber built on an early Noreen action, a lovely piece and considering Greg's rifles are an off-shoot and even an improvement on that, I think that I would buy a "Palouse" rifle with the Micky stock, integral scope bases and so forth in a heartbeat; there is nothing better than topnotch American custom rifles for REAL hunters.

As it is, after selling off several nice projects last year, I still have 30 rifles and that is ENOUGH!!!!!

Shootaway, the reciever is just the same slopily machined receiver as the standard M70's with a barrel screwed on and poorly fitted into a McMillan stock. When I say "poorly fitted" I mean bedding compund slopped on (and showing), paint chips, gaps, etc... pretty unbelievable really. A quality smith can put together the same rifle sqaured, trued and expertly bedded and finished for under $1,800.

Hey Kute... posting simultaneously!

Noreen action, huh? You're fortunate! Pete Noreen lives here locally... I've talked to him several times over the years on the phone. These days he does (or did) subcontract work for the aero-space industry. He's quite a talent!

Why is it whenever someone of reputation and skill (either a gun company owner or big name gunwriter) discovers this site, some a**-hole has to run their mouths like that! I seem to remember a similar incident when Craig Boddington posted here.

JMHO,

John

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Originally posted by JohnTheGreek:
Why is it whenever someone of reputation and skill (either a gun company owner or big name gunwriter) discovers this site, some a**-hole has to run their mouths like that! I seem to remember a similar incident when Craig Boddington posted here.

JMHO,

John

I've wondered the same thing for quite a while. I finally decided that it is probably done by sad little people who believe that by tearing someone down they build themselves up.

Just went through and read this thread thoroughly...

PS: SHOOTAWAY, YOU'RE AN IDIOT.

I think that jealousy and a desire to be included among those who really do have/make fine guns and lots of hunting/outdoor experience are the major motivations in this pathetic behaviour. If, you dare to work hard, own fine equipment and, horror of horrors, actually have both education and outdoor experience, you will be attacked by the sort of wannabe/neverwas that infests every forum I have seen. But, REAL people can always see through the posers and still enjoy sharing opinions and information with each other....maybe this might induce some of the more "off the wall" types to try to learn something before they spout off.........

Shootaway,

I do have a Hein rifle and they are building a .375 for me now to take to Africa. FYI, I also have a Winchester C.S. .375 to compare against.

The Hein has Never failed to chamber a round, something that cannot be said about my Winchester. My Winchester does not feed some solids well, I spoke with Winchester service tech a year ago and he advised that Winchester was aware of a problem with feeding some brands of solids but they would not fix the problem. They suggested that I not load solids (?). Nice advice for a rifle to be used for dangerous game. FYI the problem originates with the nose profile of some solids not transitioning into the chamber causing a jam.

Contrary to the experience I had with Winchester, if I have a problem or want to talk over a modification regarding the design of my rifle, I can pick up the telephone and speak with the person actually building the gun, try this with a mass produced gun ( Sako, Winchester, Remington etc. ).

Not to say there is anything wrong with those companies but it is very nice to be able to have the kind of dialogue with the company that is building the rifle that may end up being the difference between being the windshield of being the bug.

The above speaks to my experience with Hein but I bet would hold true for quite a number of small dedicated gun builders both here in the US and abroad.

just my two cents.

I don't have a Hein but from what I've heard and seen would be proud to own one, I'm sure.

As for the Custom Shop Model 70s, I do own one and have handled a few others and haven't seen the quality problems others have--but I guess the moral of that story is that Winchester QC is variable, so be careful.

BTW, here are some pics of my Winchester Custom Shop Model 70 in .416 Rem. Mag.





The sights and the dark wood are the only complaints I have. The sun in these photos actually makes the wood look much lighter than it generally shows.

I bought this rifle from a fellow AR member, BTW.

MR, I should have qualified I was speaking only to SS / Synthetic 70 Custom Shop stuff as that's what the thread was about... yours looks quite nice.

A few classics from shootaway, just for laughs sheeesh! While not completely constructive, it is educational.

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Originally posted by shootaway:...I should change my name from shootaway to TRUTH,because when I post all the phonies come out in the clear.

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Originally posted by shootaway:
On second thought,you can't have a trophy hunt without the use of a helicopter...

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Originally posted by shootaway: ...Real phonies like Chuck Nelson.

Talk about an oxymoron, with emphasis on 'moron' for shootaway...

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Originally posted by shootaway:
270 can't kill muledeer at 500yds...There is no way your going to kill a healthy mule deer at 500yds with a 270

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Originally posted by shootaway:
...Come on guys get serious.I won't always be here to tell you what will work or not.It is time you all matured a bit.

Response from one forum member: "...We could only hope...."

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I feel although I have never used their services,hunting there is best done with a guide.The size of racks taken with their services do not compare...you are speaking with a veteran caribou killer.Have some respect.

While you do not have the context, trust me, this was hilarious

I'd carry on, but found this in a 5 min. search.

LOL, so he's the nit-wit I'd heard about saying a 270 can't kill a Mule Deer at 500 yards... guess all those elk one friend has killed at and over 500 yards with the 270 aren't really dead.

Course there's a lot of Mule Deer hunting going on downtown Montreal. Of course, no offense intended to my friend CL in Montreal... there's absolutely no such thing as "stupidity by proximity!"

New-Guy

I've got a new Left-handed 70 in 375. Any idea what it cost's to get the gun done in the NP3 finish?

Thanks,

Roger QSL

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Originally posted by Roger:
New-Guy

I've got a new Left-handed 70 in 375. Any idea what it cost's to get the gun done in the NP3 finish?

Thanks,

Roger QSL

If you go here you can download Robar's price list.

You are not authorized to view this page

Iv'e got Adobe in my system, still won't let me view the price list. Thought someone might have experience with this Co.

Roger QSL

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Originally posted by Roger:
You are not authorized to view this page

Iv'e got Adobe in my system, still won't let me view the price list. Thought someone might have experience with this Co.

Roger QSL

The price list shows $290 to Roguard the outside and NP3 the inside of a complete rifle. The pricelist shows 1/2004 so you might want to call them to or email them to confirm:

The Robar Companies, Inc.
21438 North 7th Avenue
Phoenix, Arizona 85027
United States
Phone: 623.581.2648
Fax: 623.582.0059
Email: info@robarguns.com
http://www.robarguns.com

I can email the .PDF document to you if you like -- I do not know why you were unable to download it.

I have not used them but have considered it a few times.

Shootaway, you are a complete idiot. I just hope that Mr. Hein comes back after your ridiculous and unwarranted attempt to discredit him. Get a Life!

mrlexma,that looks like a nice rifle.I would have prefered cm over stainless.That dark wood is the best thing on that rifle.

I disagree with you bulldog.Mr Hein probably saw that there was someone brilliant here and decided to stop by.You never know,if his actions are good I might buy one,but I need to be convinced first, that is why I asked him.In my own way.

Shootaway, have you ever considered seeking professional, psychological assistance? It might help you with both your perception problems and your rather distorted self-image. If not, would you PULEEZE fuck off to Canadian Gunnutz or maybe "Whackjobs Anonymous.com".......

As much as I like Winchester I would pass. The standard run Super Grade was probably one of the best rifles for the money on the market and I have owned and still own a bunch. However, for $2500 I think you can do better than the Winchester Custom Shop. I would at the very least shop around.

To all the above posters expecially Mr. Hein please disreguard the folks here that pattern their postings like "shootaway" he is obviously a and should be treated as such. Every thread I've been in on his single intent is to stir up trouble. Nothing new about these sort of people, and I think I can speak for 99.9% of everyone here expecially to Mr. Hein, please come back and share your thoughts with us here as often as you like, and our appologies Sir.

As for you "misaway" Mr. Hein and others like him have more wisdom and talent in their finger nail clippings than you do in your whole body, evident by your assinine comments. Better to BE a fool and keep your mouth shut than to open it and remove all doubt. You remind me of some pompus college prof. why don't you grow up. If you disagree do it constructivly or keep your mouth shut.

I think I like you, but, you will find that NOTHING works with this guy, as I and others have said exactly what you have in the past, to no avail. I think and certainly hope that Greg realizes how much all of us respect him and his contributions here.

I just spoke to my gunsmith and asked him about custom actions,in particular Dakota , he has not heard of Hein.I asked if there is a big difference in the ease and reliability of feeding and extraction.He said there isn't,and that if you want easy and soft feeding the new Tikka has that.I think he must be right about the Tikka,as my Sako is tough to beat when it comes to feeding and extraction.It does not have CRF and is not as accurate as Winchester.He then said that the look is what attracts people to a Dakota for custom guns.Anyone want his phone #,you can get it first hand.He also has a web site.

To those who offered intelligent advice I thank you. I will get a chance to see the leftie Dakota the following weekend at a local gun show. If it can be bought for a really good price, and I mean really good,lol....it will be my first choice.
Otherwise Mr Hein and company are getting a deposit.

Gee, are you sure you don't want to build a HELLUVA safari rifle on the Tikka action as advised by shootaway?

Best,

John

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Originally posted by shootaway:
I just spoke to my gunsmith and asked him about custom actions,in particular Dakota , he has not heard of Hein...and that if you want easy and soft feeding the new Tikka has that...Anyone want his phone #,you can get it first hand.He also has a web site.

I live in Montreal and there is not a competent gunsmith on the island that I would trust with any riflework! Give me his number and I'll call him and call your bluff. What is his website? Talk about the blind leading the blind.