For your amusement. It´s a modified m16 a2 sight, with combat and precision peep on a brno 602 375 weatherby.

I REALLY like it. Been looking for something like that for awhile...

gs

Haven´t had a chance to try it out yet, just finished it today. The 375 weatherby was inspired by RIP on this forum. I like ghost peeps on rifles that might need to be shot very fast and accurately up close but I also wanted a more precise peep to make long shots and take advantage of the trajectory of the cartridge. I looked around and found nothing better than the tried and true combat sights of the m16.
Glad you liked it.

JohnAir
I think you will find with testing that switching from the "big hole" to the "little hole" will cause a change in elevation AND windage.
You can get an after market peep that has the same elevation zero with both "holes", however the windage change will still be present.

With the large hole set up for 100 yards, the small hole should be set pretty close to 300 yards. That is a great idea.

lawndart

JohnAir,
I do recall talking to you about the .375 Wby and your wise choice of Dave Manson for reamer with the circa 2001 .375 throat specs.

That does look good if you can get the front sight blade high enough to zero as lawndart says.

I have found that I can fit an NECG Weaver-based peep on the CZ with just minor modifications. Others have used the NECG Ruger-based one as a QD peep on the CZ/BRNO, with minor fitting.

NECG once told me by email that they were possibly coming out with a peep to fit CZ/BRNO integral bases, but that was long ago, and I have not checked on it lately.

I will certainly look around for one of those M-16 peeps too ... with a gold patridge front of sufficient height, that would be sweet.

JohnAir, that's very interesting, and I'm sure it will work and be hell for stout, but man it is ugly as sin. That's the problem with most peeps I've seen--they just ruin the lines of a rifle. Like sticking a John Deere steering wheel in a Maserati.

JohnAir, since I can't post pics, feel free to also post the pic of my .416 Rigby "experiment" that I sent you with the uglier-than-sin "handle" for everyone's amusement. I have a "loaded" (pins, detent, spring, and post) .750 ID AR front sight on its way, just to vacillate a bit more on the issue. Your NEW pics look much better than the "phone-pics."

BTW, John how tall is your front sight or have you been able to use the standard sight??????

NE 450 #2,
I´m on my way to the range after I answer these posts and I will let you know just how much change there was. Thanks.

Lawndart,
I hope you are right. That would work out PERFECT!

RIP,
Thanks again for putting me on to the great 375 Weatherby. I took a NECG front patridge and filed the base to make it fit the BRNO. I have both NECG ruger and Weaver rear peep sights but I really wanted one with dual apertures to take advantage of the long range capability of the cartridge. Hope it works out.
I bought the rear sight from midway and cut off the elevation stem. It was only around $20.

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but man it is ugly as sin......... Like sticking a John Deere steering wheel in a Maserati.

Yeah it sure isn´t a traditional gun. Next step is to put a McMillan cz Express stock on it and make it a real ugly do all working gun!!!

Woods,
here is your photo.

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Originally posted by mrlexma:
JohnAir, that's very interesting, and I'm sure it will work and be hell for stout, but man it is ugly as sin. That's the problem with most peeps I've seen--they just ruin the lines of a rifle. Like sticking a John Deere steering wheel in a Maserati.

Yeah, mrlexma. NOW WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO SAY?!? I WAS 'jest playn', BTW.

Thanks for posting it, John.

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Originally posted by N E 450 No2:
JohnAir
I think you will find with testing that switching from the "big hole" to the "little hole" will cause a change in elevation AND windage.
You can get an after market peep that has the same elevation zero with both "holes", however the windage change will still be present.

N E 450 No2, "IF" there is a change it will be negliable and most likely due to the shooter. The two peeps are the same elevation, the ONLY difference is that the large peep flips rearward about .1" when compared to the small peep when flipped (and visa-versa). Sorry, not trying to argue, but I have an AR (obviously from the pic).

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Originally posted by JohnAir:


Woods,
here is your photo.

LMAO!!!!

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:

LMAO!!!!

Yeah, I thought some folks would get a laugh out of that pic!

UGH.

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Originally posted by HP Shooter:

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Originally posted by JohnAir:


Woods,
here is your photo.

LMAO!!!!

Ditto. Much appreciated.

Well, I guess then you wouldnt have to sling the rifle over yer shoulder like its yer daddy's shotgun. Beergut and broke ass pickup optional equipment...

Woodsracer
Next time you go to the range shoot your AR at 100 yards with the "small hole" then on another target shoot at 100 yards with the big hole.
Let us know what happens. Unless you have "same plane" apperatures you should see a difference.
Watcvh the apperaturepivot on the screw as you change from the bitg to the small. the apperatures are revolving on the windage screw inducing a windage change.

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N E 450 No2, "IF" there is a change it will be negliable and most likely due to the shooter. The two peeps are the same elevation, the ONLY difference is that the large peep flips rearward about .1" when compared to the small peep when flipped (and visa-versa). Sorry, not trying to argue, but I have an AR (obviously from the pic).

Several aftermarket companies make sight blades with the large and small holes at the same elevation, but with the milspec sights the large hole is for shooting at close range (0-200 meters), and the small hole is for longer range work (out to 600 meters, ha, ha.) The smaller hole has greater elevation than the large hole. Purely a function of the sight being designed for a battle rifle (and designed for twenty year old soldiers' young eyes).

LD

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Originally posted by JohnAir:

Me likey!

Looks like an M1903A3!

you know, they sell the A2 rear sights cut to mount on 1913 rails for AR15 flattops. you could get a 2 piece 1913 and mount that rear sight pretty much on anything you can mount a 1913 rail to. Now that I think about it, I like it. might have to get one when my 470 gets made.

here it is, under $100 too.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=FT-RS

Just tried it out. It hits 8 inches high at 50 meters. Looks like I need a taller front sight. I purchased a brockman generation III adjustable elevation tritium front sight but it is still at my Miami Beach apartment. When I get it down here I will try it out, hope it is high enough. This front sight is winged so it will go nicely with the rear and make a very stout set up.

The sight definitely moves to the right as you flip the smaller aperture up (good on ya 450 NE #2). There seems to be no difference in elevation but I did purchase an aftermarket (the national Match). It was VERY fast offhand rapid fire at 50 Meters (the group in the 8 inch red circle) and the 4 shots in the cut out lower right were from bags 2 shots with each aperture. I improvised a point of aim to compensate for the high impact.

The 30 caliber serivce rifle kool aid drinkers hate to admit it, but the M16A2 has the best sights ever installed on a US military rifle. Period. End of story.

HP Shooter,
They certainly are easy to use accurately and quickly. It takes no conscious effort to line up the sights.

JohnAir,
Thanks for the information. Keep us posted on any front sight developments.

M-16 style sights may become standard on the HA! line of rifles.

I have settled for now on the Talley bases and peep for the Dakota African action (or a QRW base + NECG peep, which combination I like better than Talley anytime), and NECG peep for the CZ 550 Magnum ... with NECG Masterpiece front (banded/hooded/patridge) for both action types.

I prefer eliminating the open rear express sight, and having a peep to replace the scope if it ever comes off the rifle. Also, no barrel band sling stud, but rather a forend tip mounted stud for sling. Clean and functional, no-clutter-smooth.

Thanks again for the ideas. Good work!

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Originally posted by JohnAir:
HP Shooter,
They certainly are easy to use accurately and quickly. It takes no conscious effort to line up the sights.

No doubt, but the same can be said of the M1 and M14.

What sets the M16A2 apart from all others is that the windage and elevation mechanisms are virtually indentical in design (leadscrews and ball detents) to super expensive target rifle sights like this one:

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Originally posted by JohnAir:
The sight definitely moves to the right as you flip the smaller aperture up (good on ya 450 NE #2). There seems to be no difference in elevation but I did purchase an aftermarket (the national Match). It was VERY fast offhand rapid fire at 50 Meters (the group in the 8 inch red circle) and the 4 shots in the cut out lower right were from bags 2 shots with each aperture. I improvised a point of aim to compensate for the high impact.

Well, 450 NE #2, at least I was correct in the fact of no elevation change when flipping between the two. I am surprised about the change in windage though, I never thought about that. Guess I never noticed that now that my AR wears THIS.

I guess it would make sense taht the windage would change beings that the peep rides on the threaded rod attached to the windage knob...

You know, they never told me that when I got trained on teh M16 initially, or my (many) refreshers, either. Guess the difference might not be that much if you sight in using the small diameter, and switch to the large for close up front stuff. wont make that much of a difference shooting at human targets inside of 100yd with it. Maybe, who knows.

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Originally posted by gixxer:
here it is, under $100 too.

http://www.dpmsinc.com/10Expand.asp?ProductCode=FT-RS

That's COOL!!! It's definitely less "gawdy" than my "handle" but there is less surface to GRAB ON to the CZ's receiver. Maybe you could Tig weld on a tab to go into the recoil lug on the receiver? Ahhhhhh, but THEN it almost looks like you would have to GREEN PARKERIZE the rest of the rifle.

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M-16 style sights may become standard on the HA! line of rifles.

Wouldn´t that be a hoot!! I could brag that I gave you the idea !!

I like the NECG too. Here it is on my RSM:

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Originally posted by JohnAir:

I like the NECG too. Here it is on my RSM:

John, you did tell me that the NECG peep works with the factory .350" front sight, didn't you???

Nice CHAIR, BTW......and the wood grain on your RSM is nice as well!!!

Actually now that I think about it I would go with the NECG.

Woods,
Yes it works with the factory front sight height and centers nicely with 400 gn 2500 fps loads in the .416 rigby. You will remember that I switched to a NECG white bead.

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Originally posted by JohnAir:
Woods,
Yes it works with the factory front sight height and centers nicely with 400 gn 2500 fps loads in the .416 rigby. You will remember that I switched to a NECG white bead.

Yes sir, I had to go back to my PMs and rear all of our conversation.

Gixxer,
The NECG looks "right" on the rifle but I sure would like to be able to flip up that little peep and be on at 300yds. That would make the rifle both a DG and plains game rifle.