A while back, I ordered and paid for a stainless .648 bolt face PH action. At first I was going to have a .510 caliber rifle built off of a 600OK case (and headstamp it a .495) to avoid the"over .50 caliber" stigma.

Instead, I think will stick to the ho hum, run of the mill 600 Overkill with a 20-22" fluted stainless barrel and laminate stock. Keep the weight right around 10 pounds unloaded. My ultimate wet weather Alaskan bear medicine.

Since I have a fair wait ahead of me, I figure I would ask what other "mega-bore rifles" people might be building on their PH actions once they arrive.

Rob, you have necked your 600 down to .510 (and smaller). What do you think?

Stay well,
Paul

yesss, I have two coming someday...

I was going to do the .577BME 3" on one, but am not sure now with the eight-fold increase in asking price for the 550 Gibbs cylindrical brass.

Ed Hubel's 12GAFH looks good in the big boy category. Brass is also an issue there.

Rich
4-bore shooter

Probably going to wind up as a .408 cheytac if it ever shows up.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
yesss, I have two coming someday...

I was going to do the .577BME 3" on one, but am not sure now with the eight-fold increase in asking price for the 550 Gibbs cylindrical brass.

Ed Hubel's 12GAFH looks good in the big boy category. Brass is also an issue there.

Rich
4-bore shooter

Hey Rich,
I still like that 577BME - it's on my short list.

Paul

yeah, me too; I guess a guy doesn't need a minimum of two Case-Gard 100's full for every cartridge he has a rifle for.

Rich
4-bore shooter

What is the turn-around time for these PH actions? I recall everyone getting excited about them a while back,

Just curious.

IF i ever see one, it would become a 500 AccRel sportical ... a heavy barreled 500 AR, with the ability to feed form the mag, 700gr spitzers.

LOL- 3 to 4 bucks per brass is CHEAP, Rich ... wildcats are NEVER that cheap.. no wait, except ALL of mine (LMAO) .. and those have doubled/tripled since 2005 ...

$4/8=50¢ news flash -- 223 brass aint that cheap anymore!

Will I ever see the two I paid for? Hope I'm not to old by then to shoot anymore. Ultralight .600OK shorty for me.-Rob

It's the perfect action for the .505 Gibbs or Rich's .550 Gibbs.

I feel for you guys waiting. I know you'll get them
OK, in spite of all the snafus that Jeff has
had to straighten out on getting the final
bunch of parts delivered in volumne.
They are good roomy actions for all big
cases and my testing of my 700 and 585 with
barrel changing shows they are strong. Progress
can take time I know. Like getting a run of my 585
cases, I'm in process of a loan to try to get
10,000 cases run.Maybe 15,000. Ed

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Originally posted by hubel458:
Like getting a run of my 585
cases, I'm in process of a loan to try to get
10,000 cases run.Maybe 15,000. Ed

That is GREAT Ed!!!

Your's are on my list of "might be this caliber" for my PH action

Well you know if you believe in something good,
like I do my 585HE, you extend yourself to get it going.
And you do that with patience, perseverence and work. And
that is what Jeff is doing with the PHs.Being a real small
company, compared to Ruger,REM, S&W, CZ, etc, getting
the production of this big action and the production and
finishing of all the parts and heat treatment of same,
is a real stellar accomplishment, in about 20 months
after they determined to start building them. ED

well, I plan to call ripley's, to tell you the truth

When they start delivering I should call
Ripley's also. HaHah. Same for the case run.
These are like possible miracles.Ed

If it ever happens, I'm running out and buying a lottery ticket.

Does anyone living close to their shop that is a poster here know what is going on with even a hint of details? This is beginning to border on rediculous. Last I heard everything was a go, no more issues and it was a matter of waiting your turn for delivery.

"Your plans for PH action when you get it?" All I can say is it'll be something big.
Rodney.

quote:

Originally posted by Woodrow S:
Does anyone living close to their shop that is a poster here know what is going on with even a hint of details? This is beginning to border on rediculous. Last I heard everything was a go, no more issues and it was a matter of waiting your turn for delivery.

Montana Jeff is a poster here, why not ask him directly?

Originally, a 505 Gibbs, but with the all delays, I will sell it. Since it has been on order, I have had a Searcy 450 NE built and been to Africa and suspect will have returned before it will be shipped.

quote:

Originally posted by Woodrow S:
Does anyone living close to their shop that is a poster here know what is going on with even a hint of details? This is beginning to border on rediculous. Last I heard everything was a go, no more issues and it was a matter of waiting your turn for delivery.

Woodrow,

I called them last week and the word is that the shop manufacturing the firing pins went tits up. The new owner won’t release the completed pins or the tooling. Cost & time analysis now underway re: purchasing new tooling and retaining another shop to build firing pins versus legal action.

I believe that’s a fair synopsis of what I was told, without embellishment.

If Jeff goes the legal route, we are all screwed. It will take years more to get our actions. Lawyers will drag that out forever.

It seems most of the ctg options mentioned here will fit in a CZ550. Asquare 500&550, 500,550 Jef,Gibbs,AR, etc,etc... Even Ed's 585HE full 3.25 case will fit the CZ. The 3 inch 577BME/HE should be down right roomy. I spoke to AHR, they said they could build a 585HE on CZ550 action. I got cold feet -- maybe cheaper to re-barrel a 416.

Is there some good reason for you all to be waiting on the PH actions when a CZ550 in 416 can be had for 1,000 bucks? You are starting with a complete gun and no wait?

Seems the only ctg mentioned so far that needs this big an action is the 700HE? Will the PH take the 50 BMG?

Fourbore:

All of the cartridges you mentioned with a "Rigby" size bolt face will work fine in the CZs .70 bolt. You can even squeeze a .505 Gibbs into a CZ 550. However, the Gibbs (and the .585 AHR and 600 OK) are so large that you really have to cut away the rim around the bolt face to almost nothing. A Granite Mountain .75 inch bolt works better with those cartridges and the PH action will have a .805 bolt diameter so it even better yet. That is also why I think the .500 Jeffery with its' .5752 rim diameter is a better choice in the CZ 550 than the Gibbs which has a rim diameter of .6402. Hope that helps.

this is what I call a serious lesson in Delayed Gratification. My previous best was learning to wait until after dinner to have dessert.

They will be great when they arrive.

Rich

My understanding is the 600 OK was designed specifically to match the CZ550 action. As such it should be a proper fit in the CZ.

Still asking does the 50 BMG fit the new PH action?

Fourbore:

Rob can help us here but I think the rim diameter .585 AHR and 600 OK are the same as the Gibbs. You are correct in that it works but as I said above, you have to cut away the rim around the bolt face till there is not much left. These really big cartridges just work better with more bolt diameter like in the Granite Mountain action or the new PH action. I think CCMDoc built his 600 OK on a Granite Mountain action but his .585 was built on the CZ action if I recall.

I don't know that the 600 OK was designed around the CZ action but maybe that is correct. It is a 600 NE with the rim removed and a belt added. It will indeed work but the Granite Mountain or the PH action are better choices.

A full length loaded BMG wouldn't go in a PH, with long spire
point bullet, as the total OAL is too long. But I take BMG brass
and make my 700H 3.25", 3.9" OAL, with rim and belt
shrunk a little from BMG size, and it works ok feeding
through a .805" reciever. Rim .770", Belt .790", base .775".
Even got it feeding from single stack mag I designed.

We have a lot of guys comparing 600s and 585s, If you get
a PH or AHR or CZ, or big Ruger how about switch barrels
and do the 585HE and the 600 OK and a 550MAG.
Have some fun.Ed

Thanks Ed, Dave.

I guess, I did not pay attention to the 700 as it seemed way to big for me. I am sure it is more than I could properly handle. Maybe someday .... Just for yucks. I have a lathe, so 700 brass should not be a problem. And PH actions, someday too, maybe.

Ed, I hope you stick to your vision with the 585 project. I dont like any of the current 577/585 ctgs for bolt guns.

the 700 DA, it will more than deliver 700NE in a bolt gun . SPECIFICALLY the max that would fit into the PH.. probably 3" would be fine, too

the 700 DA, is just at 1850fps

here's back when it was napkin'ed
http://forums.accuratereloadin...=521100682#521100682

Jeff,

How does the 700DA 3.25 differ in ctg dimensions from the 700HE 3.25?

4bore
they dont ... Ed did the case work, and then has blazed a trail to make it amazing ..

me, i am just in it for 700 NE balistics... the loading, however, makes such a HUGE difference, that they are really two different things

i am hoping to be back to shooting monsters in the next year .. wanna bet i STILL don't have a PH to build on, in that year?

If I ever get my two actions I'll be listing them in the antique and relic sections on Gunbroker!