I normally use and sell only RCBS due to consistent quality and close proximity, but they seem to be shying away from building oddball die sets. The $400 for my 577 T Rex dies was bad enough but the $900 quote for the first set of my new 606 Mammoth dies was over the top. I checked with every die maker I can think of and came up with a deal from Lee that seemed too good to be true. They wanted $200 set up fee then only $100 per set. For my gamble I got several sets of good looking dies and now can never again bad mouth Lee. Delivery time was quoted at 8 months but were here in around 5 months. The dies size correctly, seat all three of my bullet types and crimp. Loading time is now cut in half from my in-house built dies. They are 1 ¼†diameter. I wanted to let the jumbo cartridge crowd know so when you develop your own wildcat you can get dies built for it. Good shoot’n, Marshall Jones 606 dies
Marshall Jones
Posts: 194 | Location: Redding, CA | Registered: 12 February 2004
I introduced the 606 a while back so check my "recent posts" to read the whole story and article in African Hunter. I'm not looking to beat my chest on this any more, only tell people about my new dies. The cost savings will pay for a lifetime of bullets.
Marshall Jones
Posts: 194 | Location: Redding, CA | Registered: 12 February 2004
Originally posted by BiggestGun: It appears that many of you don't subscribe to African Hunter. If not then you should. Here is the article:
606 Mammoth- Quest for the “Biggest Gun†As an African big bore rifle enthusiast I was always looking for the next and bigger gun to build. After the 577 T Rex the choices get real limited. The next step up is the 600 Nitro and a small handful of wildcats based on it. Unfortunately these use a .620 diameter bullet and exceed California’s .600†limit. Here in the golden state, the 577 cartridges, which use a .585 diameter bullet, are the largest we can legally own. Not that the 577 is underpowered, it’s awesome, just that it leaves .015†in bullet size left unharnessed. With these parameters the new size of .599 was conceived. With only one year before my next hunt in Tanzania it would be pushing it to have a working model in time but decided to try
GMDR’s computer cartridge designer was handy playing with design. . The brass diameter was made the same as the 600 nitro with the hope it might make it easier getting custom brass built. It is also the max diameter that can be stuffed into most actions. I wanted a nice big cartridge but not excessive case capacity. Prototype cases were made by reforming 600 Nitro’ s and turning the rims down. This left a web too weak to fire, but allowed me to experiment with the large cartridge and determine the practicality of chambering in my action. I settled on a 25-degree shoulder for headspacing. No belt is needed to interfere with feeding. The rim is slightly rebated to match the 577 T Rex cartridge and most bolt diameters.
It is well known that larger case capacity will lower operating pressure. It also can increase recoil due to the necessity of burning of more powder. The difference in recoil is usually barely noticeable when comparing cartridges like 300 Win Mag to 300 WSM but is easily noticed when the cartridge produces recoil this extreme. Smaller cases, in this case the same size as the 600 Nitro case, but with thicker sidewalls, loaded with higher pressures, produce less recoil. This is the thinking behind the modern short magnum cartridges, though they operate at vastly higher pressures. Fired 606 cases all but fall out of the chamber until velocity reaches 2300. Even then they extract easily, something very important on dangerous game guns.
Dieter Horneber in Germany has a great reputation for quality brass and is willing to build relatively small batches. After an 8-month wait I had my 1000 pieces of brass.
Pac Nor barrels in Oregon tooled up for the new barrel size. They are known for their match quality barrels and build some biggies too. A twist of 1 in 18†was chosen.
Dave Manson of Manson reamers made my chamber reamer and headspace gauges in record time.
As this is primarily an elephant cartridge solid copper bullets were to be the main projectile. By lathe turning 900-grain Barnes 600 Nitro bullets to .599â€, nice factory looking 850-grain solids result. As mixed bags are the norm in Africa it seemed practical to have soft points as well. Many bullet companies won’t consider small batches of odd bullets but Hawk bullets was daring enough to tool up for my behemoth and after much work had a nice looking soft point. Lead bullets are also planned for the future for cheaper practice. . All my African rifles are built on some variation of the 1917 Enfield. Dad started me sporterizing these at age 14 and I’ve been building them ever since. They are strong and most importantly long enough for just about any cartridge- with some work. Mammoth rifle #1 is built on a Remington 720 action. This is the pinnacle of the Enfields and conveniently has a straight bolt handle. I have grown to accept the unconventional dog-leg bolt handle of this family of actions but with the recoil of this cartridge the need for a straightened handle becomes painfully obvious.
One of the prerequisites for design was to fit on a variety of actions and not require something inordinately expensive. Any of the 1917/P14 actions, CZ 550 series, Brno 602, or Olympic Arms Ultra Mag could be used. Of course one of the CNC machined Magnum Mauser actions now on the market would be ideal if you don’t mind the $2500 price tag.
An English style, high comb stock of my design was built in my shop. It is extra wide through the grip and forend to give plenty of purchase. The butt is also maximum size for the largest size Pachmayr Decelerator pad to spread out the recoil. These pads are very soft but not sticky so let the stock slide nicely up to the shoulder. This stock design has served me well on several big rifles. It has dual cross bolts, barrel mounted recoil lug, full length Devcon bedding and gaps in the right places to prevent splitting as any extra heavy recoiling rifle will need. My rifle weighs in at 13 lbs loaded and has a short 21†barrel for handiness in the thick brush. Mercury tubes are a good recoil absorbing option if one doesn’t mind adding weight. None were used on this gun though there is room for one in the forend and up to four in the butt.
I thank two of the gunsmiths working in my shop for their contributions to this project. Gary Pickel masterfully fit the barrel and tuned the action like always but is a real genius at making rifles feed. He needed all his talents to perfect this one. It comfortably holds three rounds in the mag and feeds flawlessly. Steve Jesse did the stock work. His fitting is superb and he knows how to make beautiful and strong stocks. I did my own wood finishing, more to see if I remembered how than of necessity. Managing a busy shop keeps me away from the workbench. The stock is finished in a traditional hand rubbed oil finish and the metal a practical soft matte blue.
My friend custom gun maker Virgil Barcus built the beautiful barrel band sling swivel and front sight as there are no commercial units to fit this water pipe sized barrel. Virgil has built hinged floorplates for me in the past, something almost non-existent for the lowly Enfields. This time a nice drop-mag unit from Precision tooling was used to gain some extra room. Sorry they don’t make these any more.
A sister gun was barreled for velocity testing. This is fired from the Lead Sled shooting platform. I can report that this is a wonderful device for such a rifle. Using bags of shot to hold it down it tames the recoil while still letting the shooter get behind the gun.
Loading was achieved by sizing fired cases with a simple neck sizer made up in the shop. The pressure is low enough that all cases go right back in the gun with ease. The hardest part is forming the neck on the new brass to load initially. My 505 Gibbs sizer die will form the neck and was used initially. Later we chamber reamed a piece of barrel to make a case forming die.
Initial testing was with the Barnes bullets as the Hawk’s weren’t quite ready and my hunt was approaching.
H4831 was tested first with loads for the 600 Nitro from the A Square manual. That limited me to 2000 fps with a full case and compressed load. Then I tried the faster Reloader 15, which allowed up to 2500fps. Faster is a possibility but no human would want to fire it. Anything over 2400 is downright scary to fire even from the lead sled. My target velocity was between 2000 and 2100 fps-just enough to beat the old 600 Nitro’s 1900fps, as if that wasn’t already enough. There was a noticeable difference in recoil between the two powders, the Reloader 15 achieving faster velocity with less kick for equal velocity. Standard deviation became much closer as the velocity exceeded 1900 fps and I could start to feel the “crack†at 2000 fps-like black powder rifles but with considerably more gusto, excluding my 4 bore. I settled on a load of 130 grains giving me 2100 fps to hunt with. While regulating the sights all firing was done off hand or standing with shooting sticks. Groups of 3†were usual with two or three often touching, with a clean barrel. If I let the copper build up too much then groups expanded drastically. As is common with big bores, loads varying by as much as 300 fps all shot into the same 50-yard group.
This velocity makes it possible for me to fire half a dozen rounds with no soreness or headache. I get the common big bore headache with any more than 10 rounds through my 505 Gibbs or 20 rounds of 458 Lott. To be honest the recoil is substantial but not unmanageable for a motivated and experienced big bore shooter shooter.
During the last three months before my hunt around 200 rounds were fired. Though each shot is an exercise in trigger control, rapid firing at simulated charging buffalo was pure fun. Firing and working the bolt from the shoulder for three quick shots does result in a banged up knuckle from the triggerguard as I don’t get as firm a grip as usual. Checkering will help that and also the propensity of the forend slipping out of my other hand on recoil.
Shooting big bore rifles does come at the cost of stressing ones body. In preparation for my last Safari I fired 400 rounds of 505 Gibbs, with 200 of them off the bench. Just before that hunt my shoulder became sore and started aching. Later there was numbness in my fingers. Problems with my trigger finger prompted me to consult a physical therapist friend of mine. He determined I had a ruptured disk in the neck that was pinching a nerve. Regular workouts and neck stretching pretty much cured it but he warned me of shooting the big bores. I had already started my 606 project and was financially committed so knew there was some risk. The next summer when it became time to start shooting the beast I proceeded cautiously. The lead sled was handy and used for all bench work but eventually shoulder firing was needed. Limiting myself to 6 rounds per day at first I gradually worked up from there. Then a short drag on a pronghorn antelope and the pinched nerve became active again. I’m hopping it was mostly from the drag. Acquiring my own neck stretcher and using it two times a day has helped but hasn’t eliminated the problem. There is slight numbness in my right index finger, something that would worry any shooter. I understand this is a common occurrence from the whiplash of car accidents. I have also learned that this is especially common with big bore shooters. I hope to stave off surgery.
This year’s hunt consists of me tagging along with good friend Paul Rother on his first Safari. He is shooting a 505 and is after a “full bag†in Tanzania. As cameraman and back up shooter, I doubted I’d be needed for that. He was looking for Lion, Leopard, Buffalo, Hippo, Crocodile and numerous plains antelope. Paul isn’t interested in Elephant and that’s where I come in. The area we will be hunting is not known for lots of trophy bulls due to the relatively recent civil war that resulted in widespread poaching of the big tuskers. It takes many years for them to grow big. Nevertheless it will be great to be walking around Africa with my Elephant rifle and a tag. Living in California, I’m certainly used to hunting and not shooting anything. As our Fish & Game department continuity reminds us it is the experience that matters most.
Hunt time finally came and the 606 and I was ready. As the observer for this 21-day hunt in Burigi Tanzania I was content to look for an exceptional buffalo only and not just another representative specimen. Unfortunately a monster bull didn’t materialize nor did a nice bull elephant. It was still fun packing the mammoth around in Africa. It was also fun to watch the trackers and game scout shoot on the last evening of the hunt. In all fairness what they lack in technique they make up for in daring and brute strength. No doubt from the tremendous work they do day-to-day finding trophies for us neophytes.
Shortly after getting home a local wild hog presented itself and became the first animal to fall to the Mammoth. Using solids with a hollow point filled with lead make a soft point the results were not dramatic. As I might expect, it sailed through and the pig showed little reaction, something I’ve encountered before with my 458 Lott using Barnes X bullets. Nice hole however and it didn’t go far.
Recently Mountian Molds was discovered and a beautiful looking set of steel blocks was delivered in only 3 weeks. After building my own sizing die to make them .5995†these flat nose 850gr linotype bullets are shooting great at 1700 fps. This load is very comfortable to shoot and 20 rounds can be easily fired in a session. I’m looking forward to trying this load on hogs and expect to see more reaction at the slower velocity and flatter nose of the bullet.
Further experiments planned for this year are adding grooves to the brass bullets to reduce bearing surface and moly coating, both to hopefully reduce fouling.
I don't have any plans for a .606 Mammoth. But I have the new Lee dies for .577 Snider and .577-450 Martini-Henry, and for a little more than $60 the set, I am thrilled with them.
There is hope, even when your brain tells you there isn’t. – John Green, author
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