OK,

My Win 70 .375 was set up with Leu QR Bases and rings. First time to the range, it shot less than 1" group at 100. Next two times, it got worse and worse. I started thinking maybe it was the scope. Everything was really tight, but I noticed the QR lever on the front base was easy to turn, and it had been so tight you pretty much needed pliers to turn it.

So I go to mount a new scope today, and I just have the empty rings on there. In the "tight" position, I could wiggle the front rings a tiny amount. Obviously I couldn't do this with the scope on because the back held it some.

So would that wiggle room be the likely cause of my gun shooting terribly at the range the last 2 times? It wasn't consistently shooting anywhere. 2 at 1 o'clock, 1 at 7 o'clock, 2 at 11 o'clock. That was after I was shooting ragged hole 5 shot groups the first time.

Only difference I can find is that loose QR lever on the front. Opinions?

Tim,

I know that this is not responsive to your question, but I think you will come out ahead in the long run to can the Leupy QR rings and just go to Talley or Warne. The Talley's (and the Warnes) are much, much more solid and I think easier to use too.

At the risk of incurring the ire of the Leupold fans, I agree with Mike. Go Talley. I had a similar experience with the same Leupold mount system and found a piece of the front ring had broken away causing play on a 375 H&H.

I will spare you my story but I would go with a solid set-up in which you have confidence.

Otherwise you may have a very frustrating hunt. When you get it right, be sure the levers are tight or get the Talleys and use the torx screws instead of the levers.

A little play can put you off the paper at 100 yards or cause a miss on game at 100-200 yards (or a non-vital hit).

Thanks guys...I generally hate QR setups of any kind. I thought that this would be perfect so I could take the scope off if we got a leopard in a cave or God forbid, had to follow a wounded one. I could pop off the scope and use my sights.

I may just go to a fixed setup...not sure now, but sounds like my problem was the mount and not that something went crazy with my rifle.

I've used the Leupold QRs on my M-70 .375H&H for three DG safaris and hundreds of rounds over 12 years. That said, it is not impossible that yours failed. Metal will occasionally break.
Contact Leupold with your tale of woe, and see if they can provide some insight (they'll probably replace the broken set).

Talley QRs are great, and I have them on several rifles. They are more attractive than the Leupold QRs, as well.

George

HORSE PUCKY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I hate to tell you boys this but I have been running the Leupold QRWs for over 10 yrs now (current rings are far better than the old ones) on rifles that have plenty of recoil, all various 416s-458s-470s- 500s-510s! Never had an issue! This does not knock the talleys or various other brands, but don't put pucky on the leupolds! I run the system on every rifle I shoot and currently that is well over 50 big bore rifles right now today, with no problems at all.

Now with that being said we might not be talking about the same thing. Leupold has two different set ups--the QRW that is a weaver arrangement and this is what I use--and something called a QR where the rings go into the bases with a little peg looking thing of sorts! Now the QR deal with the peg I would not give you 50 cents for a dozen of them, in fact you would have to pay me to take them! So Tim if you have QRs throw them away and get something else! Anything would be better than that! But QRWs-different animal altogether!

Well LJS was right, look out ya'll got my "ire" up a bit, but I am sure I will get over it!

Have a good one!
Michael

I also use and recommend Talleys. Whether fixed or QD, but especially QD. They are the best, IMO.

Plus, their customer service is terrific.

To me, the best way to think about it would be if someone offered to give you a set of Talley rings and bases, Warne rings and bases or Leupold rings and bases, which would you choose? My bet is that the Talleys are going to runaway with that poll. Their only knock . . . cost.

QRW by Leupold is as good as anything.
"QR" by Leupold does indeed suck.

I have had the post on the front ring of the Leupold "QR" break off.
The camming lever wearing against that post is metal-on-metal (and cast metal at that) and will definitely result in loose fit if worked a few times. No good.

Leupold QRW, Warne Maxima QD, Talley QD ... all are fine.
I hear that Talley is making a new QD ring with a horizontal split instead of a vertical split.
Have not seen one yet but will be looking.
Talley's might soon be almost as good as the Leupold QRW ...
... if only Talley could make the bases as low profile an sleek as the Leupold QRW are when scope is removed ...
... then the Leupold QRW will have some real competition from Talley.

get a set of warne .. they will fit the same bases. Move on, forget about it

Well I just ordered a set of Talley QD rings and bases. I did have the Leu QR with the post that went in the base. if I was going to have to replace them, I guess I might as well get the Talleys - I have never heard anyone say anything negative about them other than price, and I don't see that as an issue in this situation.

Talked to Gary at Talley, and he couldn't have been any easier to deal with...

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
get a set of warne .. they will fit the same bases. Move on, forget about it

Jeffeoso:
You seem to be confusing the "QR" with the QRW.

Warne Maxima rings will fit Leupold QRW bases, QRW rings will fit Warne bases.

"QR" rings and bases are an oddity unto themselves. No other rings or bases will fit them.

We have rehashed this so many times before.
Some old hands here still don't know the difference between Leupold QR and Leupold QRW?

Tim,

Don't know which scope you're running. If it's a short tube scope, you will probably need the 1/4" offset front base to make it work out right. I've got a VX-III 2.5-8x36 on mine and had to use the 1/4" offset. If this is an issue, just call Gary back and he'll get the right one out to you and just ask you to return the one you have. No big deal at all. Good guy to work with for sure.

Good luck and keep us posted.

David

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Originally posted by RIP:

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
get a set of warne .. they will fit the same bases. Move on, forget about it

Jeffeoso:
You seem to be confusing the "QR" with the QRW.

Warne Maxima rings will fit Leupold QRW bases, QRW rings will fit Warne bases.

"QR" rings and bases are an oddity unto themselves. No other rings or bases will fit them.

We have rehashed this so many times before.
Some old hands here still don't know the difference between Leupold QR and Leupold QRW?

Ron
you are correct.. thanks for rememberin' me!

I am using a regular sized scope. We talked about it before he decided what to send. Thanks

Short answer: A LOT!

Using the QR system on my .375. 1500 rounds under them, scope removed and replaced countless times, and the accuracy is excellent. They are constructed from machined steel. Tolerances are just as tight now as they were when new in 2005. I just removed and replaced the scope at the range yesterday. The rifle shot to the zeroed POI. I see nothing wrong with them at all.