I see a few for sale up here and am wondering, how big can it go?

There was a guy in the midwest making a .620 wildcat on the M98. It held 2 rounds (one in the mag, one in the chamber). An M98 may also be used to build a 585 nyati. And as far as length, it can accomodate the 416 Rigby although a lot of gunsmiths think that the metal removed may weaken the action too much. However, I have never heard of one failing in that caliber.

So, a 470 AR is doable with a possible 500 AR.
.620 or 585 Nyati, sounds like RGB territory.

Commerical rounds?
The biggest is the 500 jeffe...though the gunsmithing for feeding will be high, and higher on a staggered feed.

effectively, that largest "commerical" round is the 470 capstick, with the lott right behind it.

Wildcats? 585 nyati, 550 express, and all the ARs.

the 3.65 rounds should be considered the MAX length, and the weatherby cases the widest diameter... there's a certain point where the amount of gunsmithing required, especially on feeding, becomes too much to weigh against the cost of a larger action, though single stacks can get around some of those.

the 470 is a natural on a good one, but the 458 is cheaper to feed. Find you a 7rem, or shot out 264, rebarrel, and go shoot!!


jeffe

wait a minute now, that Yugo M48 Mauser K98 pictured (Mitchell's Mausers?) is considerably shorter than the standard Mauser M98.

Kurz = K = short. K98 = shortened Mauser, obviously.

Sumbuddy know how much shorter than the M98 is K98? Jeffe?

Maybe we need a 550 Mini to round out the family?

Not positive but I think I recall that all of the loading data that Ross Seyfried published in G&A for the 585 Nyati was developed in a standard size Mauser, not his decked out CZ.

Yep the picture is from Mitchells Mausers, however it is what's for sale.

iirc, all the m48s have the extended handguard, that comes AROUND and behind the rear sight.

something like this.


the M48 is a smaller, 7 5/8 hole spacing (same as small rings) and the m98, or k98 is 7/78, iirc.


while I am NOT a mauser model expert, i recall the K in 98K means Karabiner 98k ...

yep, just looked it up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K98


please note, the 98 handguard does NOT extend behind the rear sight

quote:

Originally posted by tiggertate:
Maybe we need a 550 Mini to round out the family?

TT, A modified version of this? Or is it still too long?

either way, the m48 or the m1898 mauser both easily can be "made" to hold a 3.35" round...

had a m48 in my hands, the other day, day dreaming of the 500 AR in it.
jeffe

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
either way, the m48 or the m1898 mauser both easily can be "made" to hold a 3.35" round...

had a m48 in my hands, the other day, day dreaming of the 500 AR in it.
jeffe

I like the sounds of that!!

Thanks, Jeffe, that clears up my confusion.

quote:

Originally posted by jeffeosso:
iirc, all the m48s have the extended handguard, that comes AROUND and behind the rear sight.

something like this.


the M48 is a smaller, 7 5/8 hole spacing (same as small rings) and the m98, or k98 is 7/78, iirc.


while I am NOT a mauser model expert, i recall the K in 98K means Karabiner 98k ...

yep, just looked it up
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K98


please note, the 98 handguard does NOT extend behind the rear sight

[edit] Description
The Karabiner 98k was a bolt-action rifle with Mauser-type action holding five rounds of 7.92 x 57 mm (also known as 8 mm Mauser) on a stripper clip, loaded into an internal magazine. It was derived from earlier rifles, namely the Karabiner 98b, which in turn had been developed from the Mauser Model 1898. The Gewehr 98 or Model 1898 took its principles from the Lebel Model 1886 rifle with the improvement of a metallic magazine of five cartridges. Since the rifle was shorter than the earlier carbines, it was given the designation Karabiner 98 Kurz, meaning "Short Carbine Model 98".

The rifle was noted for its good accuracy and effective range of up to 500 meters. For this reason, it was also used with a telescopic sight as a sniper rifle, which extended the effective range to about 800 m when used by a skilled marksman. It was designed to be used with a bayonet and to fire rifle grenades. A version with a folding stock was introduced in 1941 to be used by airborne troops.

The 98k had the same disadvantages as all other turn-of-the-century military rifles: being comparatively bulky and heavy, and the rate of fire was limited by how fast the bolt could be operated. Its magazine had only half the capacity of Great Britain's Lee-Enfield rifles, but being internal, it made the weapon less uncomfortable to carry. While the Allies (both Soviet and Anglo-American) developed and moved towards standardization of semiautomatic rifles, the Germans maintained these bolt-action rifles due to their tactical doctrine of basing a squad's firepower on the unit's light machine gun and/or because Germans had little success with designing semi-automatic rifles.

In close combat, however, submachine guns were often preferred, especially for urban combat where the rifle's range was not very useful. Towards the end of the war, the Kar98k was being phased out in favor of the MP44, which fired a less powerful round but could be used like a submachine gun in close-quarters and urban fighting. There were rarely enough MP44s around, being a late war weapon. Despite this, the Mauser Kar98k rifle was still produced and used in large quantities by the Germans during World War II, and the rifle was still an effective and potent infantry weapon in the final days of the war until Nazi Germany's surrender to the Allies in May 1945

Ron,
sure enough.. anyone with a kurtz action that is selling it for 299 for "select" would have my credit card number THAT SECOND...

then again, I aint a mauser model expert... cool

jeffe