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What does it cost to reload a box of 20 470's with TBBC bullets in new brass? Just got the Midwayusa catalog, and they want $337 for a box of 20. Looks like reloading may save a penny or two there. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system.  | ||
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Wait! Found an even better deal, Norma wants $194 for 10 shells! How do you big bore shooters do it? EDIT- 505 Gibbs $228 for 10 shells. Best deal I have ever seen by far. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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Only way to afford shooting, is to reload. Brass can and will last almost indefinitely if only partially sized, especially if thery're not work-hardened. Used to be 475Guy add about 2000 more posts | |||
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This would be without the cost of any equipment. For Each .25 Powder .02 Primer 4.83 Bullet (Midway Price) 1.85 New Jamison Case Total 6.95 Each or $139 a box Mac Mac | |||
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Somewhat less, actually, if you reuse that case ten times or more. Just thank God you're not in Tanzania. My PH was paying $58.00 per round for .460 Weatherby solids. | |||
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if you already reload, and consider the cost fo the dies as part of the purchase. 1/10 of the brass.. 20 cents 20 cents of powder 3 cents for primer 40 cents for cast bullets (delivered) 85 cents a round? when i use bulk powder, my 500 jeffe is about 50 cents... but the loads will let the brass last just about forever jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Wow $139 a box for the first time. I was just seeing how much Federal was ripping big bore shooters who don't reload (oxymoron?) off. Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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If you shoot a double, best to reload, no doubt about that...and reloads are better performers IMO... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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Whoa, let's backtrack a bit here, Tyler. When Kynoch discontinued the production of ammunition for Nitro Express rifles, those rifles practically obsolesced overnight and the prices of those rifles plummeted (while the price for ammunition skyrocketed). Many were purchased by (U.S.) Americans and Australians, who in addition to being nostalgic, are rather resourceful people. As there was little or no factory ammunition available, they handloaded for their new doubles (and singles). They created a market for new brass, which was fed for a time by B.E.L.L. and others. Interest in double rifles increased, and the robust economy of the last two decades created more buyers (and higher prices for the rifles). Fast forward to today: as far as I know, there is only one major U.S. ammunition company producing .470 Nitro Express ammunition - Federal. The laws of supply and demand apply, and are not a rip-off because the consumer always has a choice to either pay or not. Regardless of the cost or rarity of the firearm, if people CHOOSE not to handload, then they have to pay what the market will bear. George  | |||
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I load and shoot 500gn cast in mine, so once you have the brass, it's cheap to shoot. With the cost of each bullet being soo expensive, it looks like there would be a market for a small shop to lathe turn brass or copper solids. What would be a reasonable price? And what material would you want? Mt. Baldy Bullets sells a 510gn FNGC for $32 per 100. The lube they use will hold up to full power loads with no leading or fouling. http://www.mtbaldybullets.com/asp/products.asp#Smokeless | |||
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Is Norma not a U.S. company? Also, is there anyone else that sells factory loads other than Norma and Federal right now? These are not rhetorical questions...not trying to be a smart arse by any means. Thanks guys. "Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand." 470 Heym; 9.3x74r Chapuis, Heym 450/400 on it's way | |||
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Here are the commercial mfgs of 470. Kynoch (UK) Romey (Germany) Norma (Sweden) Federal (US) Hornady (US) Summer '08 | |||
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Hornady..ah ha. I knew there was another U.S. distributer I couldn't recall. Thanks for the info. Chris. "Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand." 470 Heym; 9.3x74r Chapuis, Heym 450/400 on it's way | |||
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Yeah, if you think it is a big rip off bring out your own brand of NE ammunition. Look at all the money you could make.  ------------------------------- Will / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor, GOA, NAGR _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped. “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ If anything be of note, let it be he was once an elephant hunter, hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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That is good news! | |||
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Maybe everybody would be corrct if we change the term "rip off" for "huge profit margin". Remember many .470NE users don't even think about reloading. Some probably don't even know how much they paid for their ammo. There may be no reason for the prices of .470 ammo being so high outside the words "monopoly or olygopoly". With increasing handloading components and with increasing competition, prices should crash. | |||
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Keep coming back Ddouble. And when you do it will be even more expensive. | |||
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Already done! A few guys here got together and comissioned them a couple months back.  | |||
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I was just assuming that materials couldn't be near that expensive, apparantly they are, so for the confusion. Besides, maybe when I'm 18 I will manufacture some obscure ammunition...not until then though.  Love shooting precision and long range. Big bores too! Recent college grad, started a company called MK Machining where I'm developing a bullpup rifle chassis system. | |||
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$337 for a box of 20 Man thats crazy. I reload for all my guns and non of them come close. I know for my 458 Lott a box of 20 cost about $75 but not over a $100.oo There must be a mistake. | |||
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Divide that $139. by 10, or whatever and you will get costs.. I would sell my double if it cost me $139 per box. I figure: The cost of brass divided by 10 (10 reloadings) or less depending on how you want to figure it. Also when brass gets old, it can be annealed again and again, or you can use it for lead bullets at low velocity..That cheapens it even further. Bullets are a $1.00 each Primer 3 cents Powder about 20 cents or less At any rate it will cost you roughly $13.00 or less per box... Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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