Read the various comments about "no delivery/no shows" on Saterlee rifles by various folks and
not the first time we have heard such reports and wondered why one interested in buying this level/grade of rifle would not be pursuing the Mauser offering?? From discussions, readings, etc. on the Mauser rifles, they are indeed first class and would think value to be much higher over a period of time. It would appear that some decades down the road, the name Saterlee may or may not be recognized in the rifle market, but you can rest assured, the name of Mauser will be known long after all of us are gone. Perhaps the "scotch" in me, but to spend that amount of funds for a sporting rifle, it had damn well better be one which will hold it's value and certainly would not want the original purchase to be such an unpleasant experience as it has developed or appears to have developed with quite a few folks either wanting their deposits back or a product they supposedly bought. Curious if there are actual owners of the Original Mauser Magnum 98 out there and what they think of the rifle??

The $10,000 differance in price for a completed rifle might be part of the equation. You could buy 2 or 3 Finished Satterlee or Hein Rifles for the Price of a real Mauser optioned up.

OK, was not sure how much the finished Saterlee would run, but based on the web sight of Mauser, Mitchell Mauser, their offering is in the area of 8-10,000 dollars. With the action alone prices of Saterlee running in the thousands figured the completed rifle would be nearly equal the Mauser pricing. If the Saterlee finished product does have such price advantage, can see that of course, but if you can not actually buy one, go with one you can get I would say.

PS Mauser pricing for 416 Rigby version with all options would run you in the area of 12,000.00 Getting into double rifle low end pricing, but how much more is that than the Saterlee offering optioned equally?? How much is a completed Saterlee rifle?? Saterlee does not answer their phone and Mauser does. Never like the "we'll get back with you, leave a message..." recordings myself.

No way you can buy a loaded Mauser from Mauser for $12,000........more like $15,000 plus. If you see that kind of price let us know. You can but a Merkel or Blaser double for $8,000.

Well, just take a look at their web site and give them a call like I did and you may well want to rethink "no way." Base magnum is 8900.00 plus throw in all the options listed and yep, right at 12,000. Perhaps you could ask for gold engraving, museum quality wood, and stretch it higher, but believe 12,000.00 is quite high enough for a sporting rifle and truth be known, about 80% of that figure is ego, not function or performance. In either case, don't see any 10,000.00 spread between the two unless the Saterlee's are going for around 2500-3000.00 and believe we all know that is not the case. No self respecting sportsman would pay such a lowly number for a fine rifle would he??

mangum mausers are the same thing as a 98, with 3/8 greater space between the action screws and a longer bolt ... NOT larger thread or ring sizes

"original" and magnum mauser (not mauser magnum) is a slippery term...

Oberdorf made the first ones ... that WWI ended for the british trade .. certainly less than <1000, and i think 1/10 of that... basically for the gibbs .. the steel in these has converted to unobtainium

then dumolin (sp) made quite a few, including the weatherby magnum .. i think the estimates are 800 to 1200 made, but I had also heard of ~800 weren't used by weatherby.. i do know 10-15 years ago, you could buy one fairly cheap, today those are at least 2500 bucks .. partial conversion to unobtainium

legacy mauser magnum actions -- from a cost perspective, probably the best value

vektor - unavailable (anymore) in the states.. sabi and searcy used these, considered great actions. rob has a gibbs on one, that is gorgeous

current magnum "mauser" action, with the mauser logo, AINT A MAUSER, its a sauer, 4k for the action

not 98 mausers, but magnum length
zkk602
bbk01
cz550

custom receivers (though more have been made than originals)
empire's own 98 (not legacy mausers)
stu's
others?

i just got back from europe and visited the likes of H&W Prechtal etc and will say the quality of those actions are tops especially prechtal , however i consider the SATTERLEE 98 a notch above those, the likes of GMA actions dont even/or should not even rate a mention
i have got three actions on order and with krieger/obermyer barrels on those actions and mcmillan stocks its under $5000 for a complete Satterlee DOUBLE SQUARE BRIDGE M 98

Daniel

The SIGARMS Mauser Banner rifle in M98 Magnum has a Prechtl action.

It is available as a basic model with Mauser flag safety and double square bridges uncut, single fixed leaf rear sight, banded front sight and barrel-band swivel stud, 2 cross bolts in decent walnut, and perfectly glass bedded from the factory. No secondary recoil lug on the barrel.

It weighs 9.5lbs and has a 14.75" LOP over a 3/4" Pachmayr Decelerator pad, Olde English black.

I bought one new from Cabela's. They were asking $5995 and I got them down to $5500 due to a showroom scratch on the barrel. 450 Dakota chambering.

The Johannsen rifle in .416 Rigby with claw mounts using the same action and shinier stock finish was going for about 11K, new.

Ron is correct. Dirty little secret is Prechtl makes the action used by "Mauser"

Original #20 magnum Oberndorf on a Hoffman 505 for your viewing pleasure:



Original 416 Rigby built on a #20:



(none of the above are mine, unfortunately)

WOW forrest...

dont' let some of our esteemed posters see that single uncut bridge, they'll claim its not real, as they don't know much about mausers

Sounds to me like the margin has evaporated from the market for big bolt guns. Last time I priced a factory SIG/BLASER/PRECHTL Magnum Mauser it was about $17,000 built the way I'd want. Maybe it's time for me to take another look.

Were the Brevex actions "true" 98's?

fla 3006
Prechtal also makes M 98 for HOLLAND &HOLLAND, and as you said he makes them for every body in europe, and the bigest market is RUSSIA!!!
Daniel

Prechtl: www.golmatic.de

Not sure what all the other descriptions are about, but point being that it would appear that there is no $10,000.00 spread between a Saterlee and a current offering from Mauser. It would appear that the Saterlee is unavailable or at least so within any reasonable time frame and apparently an unpleasant arrangement in dealing with the mfg., so believe the Mauser would make a very fine alternative. In the innermost reaches of Cambodia, New Guinnea, or Mongolia the Mauser name would be recognized by someone, but the name Saterlee will perhaps at best bring about some mental image of candy, song, dance, drink, whimsical character, but not a firearm. For those with large sums of money deposited and still waiting on delivery, best of luck.

Si/

Or a Brevex made in France on Oberndorf machinery ?

quote:

Originally posted by fla3006:
Or a Brevex made in France on Oberndorf machinery ?

By a Pole no less.

According to Jon Speed "The Mauser Archive" the magnum Mauser action was made up for John Rigby around 1904 for theit rimmed .400/350 cartridge.

Cheers,

André

I agree that the European Mausers are the way to go. The curious part of that is I had 3 Johannsen rifles on consignment and it took a year to sell the 500 Jeff. The 416 Rigby and the 375 are full featured, mint condition with Swarovski 30MM scopes and they are drawing no interest. With scopes and all I can't get $11M each. The 375 was at Dallas and according to the dealer was the most handled gun but no takers. I think the economy is going to put the screws to higher ticket guns.

fla3006,
The web site you provided for the maker of the Mauser rifles is a trip to the top of the mountain for Mauser lovers it would seem. Now those rifles would be well worth the long wait I hear about from time to time for perfection probably does take a bit longer. Person could spend quite a lot of time just reviewing the many excellent photos they offer. Thanks for sharing that with us.

All the Mauser rifles, the M03, the M98 and the M98 Magnum, will be made by the Blaser company in Isny. The M98 actions coming from Prechtl.
The Mauser AG in Oberndorf isn´t making sporting rifles at the moment. Mauser sold the name "Mauser Jagdwaffen" to the Blaser company. Now, the Mauser company is part of the Rheinmetall AG and making only weapons for military. Especial the BK27 for fighters and ships.


Martin

PS: My opinion is, the new made Mauser 98 rifles are too expensive.

So a $850 Magnum "Mauser" action is a good deal?



It is now barreled with a .505 pipe and my gunsmith is working on the stock...

Hello Big Bore Fan,
I could not agree more, but I hold that opinion on most of the so called high grade rifles available. I for that very reason, and lack of funds for such rifles, opt to buy the lowly Ruger RSM's which at least hint at what a proper "well found" rifle should be in terms of features, performance, and function. You could say they represent great value for the investment, but those Mausers pictured on the web site offer not only superb value, but the highest form of firearms art. With that combination you can expect the price to be well above most offerings. If I could I would have one and the comforting thought to me would be that some distant time from now the Mauser name, rifle, would still be a topic of admiration. It has been that way for something over a century now and doubt that will hold true for others mentioned here. One can always take delight with his fantasy's, right??

dsiteman,
don´t understand me wrong. The mauser rifles I saw at different gun show´s are made very well. An excellent work and, what do you wrote, "highest form of firearms art".
But the price for a M98 Magnum, made by or for the Mauser Werke AG/Oberndorf in the year of 1998, was 12000.- DM (6000.-€). Now, the Blaser listed it with 9000.-€. This is a increase of 50% in 10 years. The salaries here in Germany for skilled workers isn´t increase so much. My salary is the same as in 2003.
The price for a standard lenght M98 was in 1998 about 2000.-DM (1000.-€) and now it´s about 7000.-€. OK, they use new made action´s, not refinished old Mauser´s, but in the past, the M98 was a cheap rifle, for all hunters, all around the world. And now, it´s a very rare gun for rich people. Like a Porsche or a Ferrari.
I mean, it´s not this was the Mauser brothers wants to have.

Martin

they were at the SHOT Show, and they were even a little more expensive... The arab/OPEC penchant for every-increasing the price of oil is beginning to make its presence felt worldwide. They fail to understand that the world is starting to seem them as the new hitler, and will take steps to eliminate them as a world force much in the same way.

OFF TOPIC, but what I heard at the show.

Rich
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