Dave,

No Sorry needed, I just thought you forgot about me!

I ran across this, I must check the CEB site more often, Dan is very active on adding things there, it's not one of those "stagnant" sites!

I ain't much on deer, but GD what a Deer! I think I would shoot this one myself!

http://site.cuttingedgebullets.com/main/commercial

Sorry Dave, I think some of us were trying to move some conversations away from the TBP Thread so as to not distract from Michael's work. I imagine as the fall progresses that we'll see quite a lot more actual results against game reported. Myself I only have a couple of .300 RSAUMs that I could report anything on...though I did just receive some really nice 165gr .308 CEB bullets from the brown truck guy. Have't had a chance to even try to load them yet. Maybe a pig hunt this fall and I can post their results.

Thanks to Jim for instigating this bullet, and Danthe man at CEB for delivering another "American Beauty":

.500-caliber/430-grain "LD-HPBT-STD"
aka "MTH Y01-Special"

This bullet is a perfect match for my 49-10 cartridge.
Magazine loaded in the Winchester M70,
and single-loaded or seated deeper without a crimp in the Mauser box.
COL here is 3.583",
and bullet length about 1.345".
Should do about 2700 fps in a 23" barrel.
This Lapua brass is 70 Kpsi capable:

Now that is one nice looking bullet! Thanks for posting Ron.

I have my 450 Ultra Magnum just about ready for another round of load development. Using the CEB .458 370gr BBW#13 Non Cons.I had to change my muzzle brake and that should be finished soon. At my first bench season after 48 rounds when I got home I had to peel my T-shirt off my bloody shoulder.



The muzzle brake is a good brake and I have used it on many smaller cartridges up to .375 Ultra Mag but it is just not reducing the recoil like it does on the smaller cartridges with the 450 Ultra, I had to go to a 4 port side discharge Muscle Brake. This rifle will be shot allot come spring when the groundhogs are out.





I will be using this rifle along with the 370gr CEB for Mule deer, bear and my Washington state big bull, elk permit.

I want to thank Michael458 for his insight and what I consider vast knowledge of the big bores. He went out of his way to help me with a starting point and load data to get this built up and running. Thanks again Michael!

So far during fire forming, barrel break in and load development(Which I have a ways to go) the 370gr CEB 370gr have held just under 2" at 200 yards for three shot groups. I know that can be improved. With some trigger work, a better brake and not being beaten so badly towards the end of a 48 round bench session.

That 370 grain tipped non con looks so bad ass!
That deer on the other end of that will have a big surprise.
I'd love to see the flight path of that bullet out to 600 yards.

You gotta get the Groundhog devastation with those bullets on video!

I will defenitly get some high def video of groundhog hits, my brother and I will try to get some on Mule deer and Elk but Like I told him, he being the camera guy. Putting it on the ground comes before the photo op. We hunt big country out here for mule deer. I haven't killed a mulie under 300 yards in ten years and the furthest I have shot them is 560 with a .375 Ultra so we should have plenty of time to get a camera on one. Usually they never know we are there or what hit them.

This is a pic of my mulie stomping ground for the last 21 years. You can shoot them as far out as one and their rig is capable of.

.458-caliber CEB groundhog and mule deer anecdotes welcome here.
I will be chasing whitetail deer and coyotes locally with a .395/240-grainer, for starters.

Looks like a cinch that deer with that .395/240-grain FBH bullet from CEB is going to be next on the menu, for me,
as soon as modern gun season gets here.
We are "broke out " with deer in KY.
Early muzzle loader season was this weekend.
The CEB bullet will be going up against the 40-cal flintlock as competition, ha ha, made you look:







One shot at 50 yards target on the range, then one shot at deer in neck,

Good shot RIP
Classy gun too.

For RIP:

I use .416 rem mag brass and barrel 10,3 mm. I shot custom bullet, and RWS KS 255 grain wit this bullet the shock effect is very impressive.

Wit my custom bullet in copper (240gr) hollow point the effect is reducet.



For reloading my .416 rem mag i use 87 grain of Norma 202 and CCI large rifle mag. primer and the accuracy is very good, velocity is 3200 ft/s.

.395-caliber Cutting Edge Bullets, 400 years ago on right below, and present day on the left:

RIP

Well, looks like to me that is progress in a giant leap over the last 400 yrs. Bullet Tech at it's best I'd say! Although I must admit, those round balls are interesting. One day I must get back to that RB testing, (Round Ball) to see what happens.


Over the last few weeks there has been much activity concerning the CEB BBW#13s, as most know. We have Aaron and his 577 Nitro using 750 BBW#13 Solids on elephant with success, 700 BBW#13 NonCons on buffalo with success. We have our own Lionhunter using the .457 480 BBW#13 Solid from 458 Lott on elephant with success, I have another fellow that I am still waiting on a report from his successful hunt with 500 Nitro 570 BBW#13 Solid with a big bull and very successful. Sam's friend Jim shot two big big bull elephants with a 450 Nitro and the 480 BBW#13 Solid with great success. One of my guys here busting deer with the 130 ESP Raptor from 308 Win, drop dead success, and another one of my guys with the little .224 55 BBW#13 NonCon from 223 WSSM on another deer, drop dead success as well. Just yesterday Sam busted two deer with the 416 Carnivore, both ran, but no one can figure out how as the entire insides was total soup with vitals not even identifiable! But none the less stone cold. BBW#13 Solid--Success BBW#13 NonCons--Success ESP Raptors--Success. Both in all the test work--Now in the field as well! Just as it should be. I was once told the test work was a waste of time, I was a "Kool-Aid" drinking fool and all bullets must be tested only in the field. I disagreed then, I disagree with that now, in each and every case, those who have gone to the field with these bullets, knew what they should expect, and because of prior test work, there have been no surprises. What works in the test work, works in the field!

Michael

I have a bunch of 375 cal 300 grain. BC is around .650 or so. Waiting to get my 378 back from the surgeon with a new Krieger on.

Sorry fro the crappy pictures. Next to a 260 Accubond

Doc M,
Thanks for dropping by this side of the tracks.

Pop,

That is one wicked looking .375 bullet, has a cutting edge to it for sure! Keep us posted.


I better go load up some CEB deer bullets for my .395 Tatanka, expect blood in mid November.
They will surely do the job.
Just how spectacularly it works is the only question.

As soon as I get the 378 Bee back......

Modern Gun season for deer starts next weekend in my neck of the woods.
I zeroed the .395 Tatanka CZ 550 Mag today, with CEB FBH .395/240-grainers at 3156 fps.
This 24"-lighter-barreled rifle gives 3 shots into about 0.6 MOA at 100 yards.
I'll Take the 26"-barreled Ruger No.1 also.
It may actually be more accurate with its 26" heavy barrel.
The bolt action CZ may be used for any dangerous charge situation encountered amongst the white tails.
The Ruger No. 1 may be used for long range.
Any truly sedulous hunter has two rifles of the same chambering.
Backup.

RIP,

It sounds like you need to do some culling of those deer herds. Nice deer and very nice shot with your 40cal flintlock! I should send you some .423 caliber 320-grain LD-HPBT-STD MTH Y01 bullets so you can add that rifle to your culling efforts.

Jim,
Thanks for the offer, but I am all set for deer season with the .395.
Two with modern gun might be all I get.
Doe or buck, don't matter to me.
I like that deer jerky from either, though the doe jerky chews quicker.

Let me know if you change your mind.

Deer Bullets, must thin the herd to prevent deaths on the highways.

Beautiful! Just simply Beautiful! Good luck with the deer.
Max

Well, this ain't beautiful:
I killed Bambi at sunrise today, he lost his mother to the .395 Flintlock ball last month,
now he has gone to join her ... in my freezer!

He was peeking out of the weeds, at 100 yards, partially obscured, looking straight at me.
I hit him almost straight on in the right shoulder ball and socket.
My bad. Meant to get him in the center of front of chest.
I "pulled it" to my left.
The bullet must have expanded violently on impact, at over 3000 fps.
It ripped along his rib cage, did not enter chest, but the shock wave broke 4 ribs as it passed by.
The right side lungs were hemorrhagic, like bloody sponges, but not penetrated or torn, just purple-red instead of pink.
The chest was full of blood though no bullet entered it.
Bone fragments from the shoulder must have entered the top of the chest cavity and sliced the aorta.
One rib fracture poked through the pleura into the chest cavity.
He dropped where he stood and did not move.
There was quite a "WHOP" returned to my ear after the bullet hit.

This .395/240-grain FBH by CEB needs a bigger animal.
I am working my way up to Bambi's father tomorrow.
I have two of four deer tags left.
Holding out for antlers now.

When we cull, we must strive to take them out in family units.
A few days ago a young man died locally from a deer-automobile collision.

Rip, we need to get you some balls.
Brass balls
.395" ones
I admire your flint lock hunting
Thanks for keeping the roads safe for us.
Was thinking again...
Would you want a tip for the MTH bullets?
Add a tiny bit of BC and help expand at lower velocities. What I'd the hole diameter?
Will any existing tips fit?

boom stick,
Jay Schroeder of S&H started the Brass NonCon boom in 2007 with his .395-cal/310-grain SHARRC.
We just did not know to call them NonCons.
CEB and the MIB crew have perfected the concept.
When we get around to .395 Brass ESP Raptors, I am thinking to request 300-grainers with a nose profile that will fit one of the existing Talon Tips,
either .375 or .416.

BTW, horrible day in the deer woods. Too windy!

I think the deer are catching on to me and have started leaving messages for me.
Imagine Bambi's father, with a can of white spray paint and the kind of graffiti he might leave for me to find.
I got blown out of my stand and just walked about 5 miles today, looking for sign and found this:




OK, so the deer didn't do it.
Maybe it had more to do with some backwoods meth cooks or weed patch boyz in da hood?

I miss Jay. Where has he been hiding?
The evolution of the brass hollow points and solids has been amazing. Lehigh to S&H to CEB and a few others. I think CEB, Michael and Sam and we the peanut gallery have created probably within a few percent of the perfect brass bullets. It took even me a while to see that the "Non Con" was better than traditional expanding bullets. Might be a while before the square pegs catch up. We all cant be so cuting edge, mad hatter wild catter and adventurous as you RIP but I do my best. It has been fun to see this unfold.

Ron,
I would love to have some .395 Raptors, but the weight should be less than 300grs based upon what has been learned by the lesser caliber bullets. I'm thinking they will come in best at 260 to 280grs at the most. Length too will have a definite bearing. When .400-.410 or .416 Raptors are developed, we may see where the best weight will occur.
Max

prof242,
Right on, right on, on the "Raptor" weights, but I should say that I would also like to consider a shallower nose cavity and a weight closer to 300 grains,
for the .395.
Jay's S&H VeloHexploder at .395-cal/310-grains is proven perfection in brass hollowpoint.
As you suggest, I need to get some of the production ESP Raptors as they become available, and see how the .395 fits in ... midway between the .375 nad .416,
as you suggest.

It was a good day to make more Jerky.
I had a horrible cold all week, and worked 12-hour days M-F, and recovered enough to get up at 3:30 AM again today.

Bambi's brother did not think it was a good day to die. Oh well ...
The sun's position when it happened:



He turned tail at 100 yards and ran, and I hit him in the left ham, close to midline, between his scrotum and, er, uh, base of tail.

He fell like this:



The pelvis and one ham were "wasted."
The entrance wound was small, and the exit wound near the tip of the sternum was large.
I think the bullet expanded.



I need to find a much bigger critter if I hope to stop one of these .395/240-grainers at +3000 fps:



Bambi, Bambi's mother, and Bambi's brother all "made jerky" a half mile down thataway.
Walking out of the deer pasture, after another attempt at bullet testing, and keeping the highways safe:


Riposte by Ron The Unforgiven

My next batch of deer jerky will be collected with the .458 B&M using a CEB .458/420-grain DGBR-HP S02 BBW#13 NonCon HP.
Thanks to Mike for the inspiration.


One of those pesky deer jumped into the windshield of a pickup truck on the parkway last week and killed the driver.
Culling deer in family units, somebody's gotta do it.