Just wondering what this round feels like with a brake on it. I figured it couldn't be much worse than my 45-120, other than the noise.

I don't plan on owning one, as it would need a scope to do anything most other 458's can't, and I know I can't handle anything more than a 45-70 loaded hot with a scope. I've heard so many horror stories about the recoil, but I found out this week that 70 ft lbs isn't bad at all with a good recoil pad, and a 460 with a brake would be 70 ft lbs at most.

Of course, I think the only thing a 460 could do over say, a 458 Winchester Magnum is deliver tons of energy, literally, at extended ranges with the right bullet. However, to do this you need to be in a prone position with a higher powered scope, and I think it would be just too much recoil.

Thanks for responses,
Tyler

Tyler,

It's not near as bad as people say, in fact without sounding like a masochist, it's downright enjoyable.

I've shot mine without the brake on with full house 500 grain x-bullets. I anticipated a dislocated shoulder, a detatched retina, paralysis to my right side, not to mention the concusion and it was such a non-event that I did it another half a dozen times.

Honestly, I have a 378 that knocks me around more. Slim barrel, no brake, and shooting it off sticks bloodied my knuckle as the bolt came back and skinned me.




100 yard group off my Jeep



The scope needs good eye relief, and don't crawl up on the stock. My best advise to shooting the 460 class cartridges.

Keith

Amen on eye relief with scoped big bores of any description. I had a scope crack me in the nose from a .458 Win, and it is not fun, nor conducive to continued accuracy on the day it happens. I've since switched to a long relief shotgun scope on that rifle.

Keith --

Weren't you going to take it coyote hunting?

Les,

I drug that 10lb rifle coyote calling with me 3 times. Took my earplugs along with me too. No coyotes came in. So I'm walking back to the jeep when a jack-rabbit runs and stops about 40 yards out. Blasted him end over end. Only blood that rifles drawn for me.

We get some cooler weather around here and I'll try it again!

Send me some more pics of your hunt when you get a chance!

Keith

Maybe someday I'll get a 460 with a pistol scope mounted out on the barrel a ways. I'll need plenty more practice with a big bore before then.

I don't really like Weatherby's for some reason, their guns that is. What other actions can handle their cartridges?

I have a .450 Dakota which is the same thing as a .460 WBY sans the belt. I don't load to the same pressure Weatherby does but instead keep 500 grainers to about 2,400fps and 450 gr TSXs to about 2,500 fps. It's not too bad with the brake on and gets your attention without it. I only use the brake when shooting off the bench.

The Weatherby 460 is not a bad caliber to shoot. Granted not enjoyable from the bench even with a brake, but quite accurate with a 2 1/4 lb trigger. Certainly, a better round to shoot than my 340 Wea in a lighter rifle,

Dak

The 460 WBY is a great cartridge. The rifles really are PIMP guns that just need a gold finish for the ultmate 7-11 experience. Rebarrel a CZ550 for the .460WBY and you have a nice gun. Of course while your at it go for a .500a2 switchbarrel. Complete your set with a 550 Mag barrel and you have a dandy 3 barrel set!-Rob

I couldn't afford to shoot a bigger bore. But I did some calculating, figuring a 12 lb rifle with a 350 grain bullet a 2900 fps, it has 64 lbs recoil. If you figured there are 3 lbs of recoil reducers in the stock, that should take recoil to about a felt 55 lbs. Minus 40% for a muzzle brake, you have 40 lbs of recoil, minus whatever the recoil reducers seem to take away. Actually not all that bad. I realize with 500 grain bullets the recoil will rise to about 60 felt lbs, and that 12 lbs is rather heavy, but I like a heavy gun if it's balanced.

Ironically now I'm thinking about either a 22 br, a 338 Edge, or a 460 Weatherby as a new gun.

To remove the "pimp" factor of the Weatherby Deluxe and still get the outstanding Mk V action they make the DGR which is a composite stock with a matte barrel. The recoil of the 460 with normal factory loads is right at 100 lbs. With the factory Accubrake it is reduced to less then 50 lbs (about 46 or 47). My Accumark in 338-378 without the brake is 55 lbs of recoil and is quite manageable though a bit stout off the bench. A 1.5 - 6 scope will give you the magnification you need and there are several brands out there with better then 4 inches of eye relief. You can also mount a guide scope on them where you have 9 to 11 inches of eye relief.

Ken....

The 460 with a brake feels about like a stout load in a 375. Maybe a little more. That has been my experience.

Landrum

It is one hell of a killer, and will lay flat anything on this planet post haste...Don't let these macho exhibitionist tell you it does not kick, it kicks the liveing s--t out of anybody except the internet hunters!!

Here's what I come up with.

460 Weatherby-12 lb gun, brake (50% recoil), recoil reducers in it
450 grain bullet with 110 grains powder @ 2600 fps=75 ft lbs divided by two=37.5 ft lbs

45-120-9 lb gun, one recoil reducer
405 grain bullet with 85 grains powder @ 2500 fps=70.3 ft lbs

With the added noise, I'd say they are most likely close?

My friend has a .460 with the factory brake. It's a slightly older model, maybe 8-10 years old. I don't know if the brakes are that much better or what but with 450-500 gr full power stuff it does rock you a bit. I would equate it's recoil with that of a stiff load in a well stocked .416 Remmy or .458 Winchester. It definately does not hurt you like a .458 Lott in a Ruger No.1 and is a bit more pleasant than a CZ 550 .458 Lott too, IMO.

I don't really care for the Weatherby Mk.V as a dgr rifle but their stock design does seem to help in dealing with recoil. I think the Mark V and Lasermark are beautiful rifles but they strike me as show rifles rather than hunting rifles but they have laid many a head of game to rest for sure.

I hope to build a .460 on a CZ 550 after I get a couple of other projects out of the way. I think the .458 Lott and .460 may be the most versatile cartridges in existance for big game hunter who is an experienced reloader. The Lott has cheaper and more obtainable brass and .458 Winchester capabilities. The .460 fantastic versatility in it's power range.They can both be loaded down to .45-70 levels for easy practice or short range big game hunting for game like deer, hogs, or elk. Loaded to full power with a 350 grain Barnes TSX both can acheive a very flat trajectory (especially the .460!!) for longer shots at deer, elk, bear, moose, eland, unicorns, dragons......whatever you want.

With a good .460 Wby. you could go on safari to Alaska, Africa, or anywhere else and want for nothing, errrr...... except a lighter rifle!

The selection of .458 cal bullets is probably more diverse than any other caliber too. I have shot loads using bullets from 250 gr. to over 700 gr. out of my .458 Lott. There's something for EVERYTHING!!!

If you can learn to handle the weight and recoil, the possibilities are nearly endless with the .460 Wby or the .458 Lott.

Great Post srshooter. I couldn't have said it half as well! (except I do like the Mark V action from the 460 right on down to the 224)

Keith

quote:

Originally posted by Tyler Kemp:
Here's what I come up with.

460 Weatherby-12 lb gun, brake (50% recoil), recoil reducers in it
450 grain bullet with 110 grains powder @ 2600 fps=75 ft lbs divided by two=37.5 ft lbs

45-120-9 lb gun, one recoil reducer
405 grain bullet with 85 grains powder @ 2500 fps=70.3 ft lbs

With the added noise, I'd say they are most likely close?

Tyler...

I have launched enough copper and brass down range from a MKV .460 to plumb a small subdivision. There is no comparison between your very slick .45-120 and a full tilt .460 in the recoil department.

If you want to get a real idea I suggest you locate someone near you who has one and do your own test. Free Online Recoil Calculators are worth what you pay for them. 118 grains of RL19 behind a 500 grain bronze solid will get your attention every time. That's with the brake on if you weigh 185 lbs and it's a 13 pound rifle scoped and loaded.

Did anyone tell you about the night illuminating artillery like flash and shock wave with the brake in place?

If you want it - get it - but be careful you don't knock yourself silly until you get it figured out.

I'd agree with Frank but you're too young to drink Single Malt.

I agree with Ray and Macifej that the .460 Wby , or in my case the .450 Dakota, will kick the living shit out of you. As I mentioned earlier I don't load my .450 Dakota to full Weatherby velocities because I don't think it makes any sense but when you do the recoil becomes punishing.

quote:

460 Weatherby-12 lb gun, brake (50% recoil), recoil reducers in it
450 grain bullet with 110 grains powder @ 2600 fps=75 ft lbs divided by two=37.5 ft lbs

I have shot loads similar to this in my rifle using the removable Answer Products brake on my rifle and I can tell you that it kicks a ton more with the brake installed than my .375 H&H does with 270gr bullets at 2,700fps even though the recoil tables show the that the .375 should recoil around 35-37 ft-lbs or so. I think that the recoil calculators and tables are full of shit.

Cheers,
Andy

quote:

Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
The 460 WBY is a great cartridge. The rifles really are PIMP guns that just need a gold finish for the ultmate 7-11 experience. Rebarrel a CZ550 for the .460WBY and you have a nice gun. Of course while your at it go for a .500a2 switchbarrel. Complete your set with a 550 Mag barrel and you have a dandy 3 barrel set!-Rob

Rob, first off, please understand that I know much less than I would like about gunsmithing in general than I would like. I know even less about switching barrel on rifles like these. The only barrel switching I've done is with T.C Encores, H&R Handi's, and shotguns like my Mossberg and my 870's.

How do you switch barrel's on these bolt actions SAFELY and PROPERLY without changing cartridge behaviour or damaging the gun or yourself? Please help us that know not the ways of the gunsmith.

My apologies for the interruption.

Damn, it's getting late! im startun tow rite lyke a fursst graydurr!!!! git da .460 withurbie!!!! it bee a grait gunn!!!good nite all!!

How does the 460 Wby (without a brake) kick compared to the 495 A-Square?

Thanks,
Chuck

AH!!! The 460, used to shoot one with Col Askins when I was growning up all ways remember him saying "Only damn rifle that hurts before you shoot it" Never seem that bad to me, but hell I'm still built like a sherman tank

Well hopefully I'll be able to go to the next AR big bore shoot and see what recoil is all about. I don't think anyone near me has anything bigger than the 45-120. I got some gawkers at the range Friday!

I hate to disalusion some of the nostalgia on this board, but I would much rather suffer the results of the 460 Wby, than a shot of single malt liquer, that shit taste like pure kerosene, but on that same note a good dose of Crown Royal, Jack Daniels or some other rot gut is a boone to recoil, and I can handle that. Guess its goes back to my mispent youth and my penchant to drink Texas dry of Lone Star beer and Tequila..It didn't work btw!!

Need to get to .500 A2, with 70-100 grains more bullet at 2,500 fps or so before recoil will get my attention.

The .460 is stout, but not in any way punishing, IMHO.

But then again, I am a Stoic by nature.

I think the .460's little brother the .378 is more unpleasant to shoot than the .460 -- but I boxed for more than 20 years and have been hit in the head many times, so my observations are unreliable at best.......

I never said that the rifle doesn't kick. But with the brake on, the 460 Wby is much more manageable.

In 1993 I shot my 460 for the first time and it was not as horrible as I was lead to believe. With that said, hold on tight before you press the trigger.

Landrum

I will not hunt with a braked rifle or with someone with a braked rifle. If you have to brake it to shoot it, buy a smaller round.

Guys- The recoil of a full tilt .460 WBY is quite over-rated or the guy doing the shooting REALLY doesnt know how to hold or fire a big bore.30 minutes of proper instruction will solve thaty problem. I spent quite a bit of time playing with one about 15 years ago trying to get the magical 2700fps out of it( That never happened either). I always thought its recoil was overrated. As for shooting without a brake. Who's kidding who? Its loud as hell either way unless you add a suppressor but thats another story.-Rob

Maybe you should open a training academy Rob??

A trip to Vegas with some heavy rifle training...could be a popular program.

i can handle full tilt 458 lott loads allright if i am wearing a past recoil pad -- the strap on type for a good while. off hand and no pad, i can shoot maybe 5-6 times before my brain and body start disagreeing. i shoot a rsm, factory configuration. i don't think i could handle anything with greater recoil. i would try a 460, but it is probably out of my league.

my practice load is remington 400 grainer (45-70 bullet) over 80.3 grains of h-335. it is about 85-90% as intense as 500 grain full house loads in the recoil department. would really like to connect on a groundhog with one of these rounds.

big girls...

load the 460 to 2300-2400, and its pleasent to shoot.. load it to stupid, and it kicks the same, STUPID

Well if I find a good deal on one in the classifieds, or even better from someone who is inexperienced with big bores, I might jump on it!

Hopefully they sell it to me cheap just wanting to see a little guy shoot it!

quote:

Originally posted by Whitworth:
I think the .460's little brother the .378 is more unpleasant to shoot than the .460 -- but I boxed for more than 20 years and have been hit in the head many times, so my observations are unreliable at best.......

I feel your pain!

Ouch!!! After 20 years of being numbed out by punches, it probably takes AT LEAST a .460 Wby to wake you up!

Just think of what your big bore feels like on the other end and the recoil doesn't seem so bad.

IMO, 90% of all 460 WBYs have never seen the field (probably true for many rifles). Probably, of the remaining 10% half of those have been used to kill jack rabbits, milk jugs and the like. I picked up a beautiful NIB, left handed, 460 Lazermark for $900 in the early 90s. I bought it just because it was a 460 and I could tell everyone I owned one. Never fired it, never owned a single round. Wish I would have kept it. Lou

quote:

Originally posted by Atkinson:
It is one hell of a killer, and will lay flat anything on this planet post haste...Don't let these macho exhibitionist tell you it does not kick, it kicks the liveing s--t out of anybody except the internet hunters!!

You're right, Ray!
They that suggest that a 460 Weatherby DONT kick, are even stupid or drunk!(Or both.)
It kicks like hell, but can be manageble for some of us. I think it get worse as I get older, and as more I shoot it. Precision shooting with this thing sure makes you flinch once and awhile .
Mine has no brake, though! But it is no pussy with either.
Ohh yes! There is much stuff out there who is worse, but thats not the theme here.

quote:

Originally posted by Dr. Lou:
IMO, 90% of all 460 WBYs have never seen the field (probably true for many rifles). Probably, of the remaining 10% half of those have been used to kill jack rabbits, milk jugs and the like. I picked up a beautiful NIB, left handed, 460 Lazermark for $900 in the early 90s. I bought it just because it was a 460 and I could tell everyone I owned one. Never fired it, never owned a single round. Wish I would have kept it. Lou

Ah yes, hindsight is so clear!! I have gotten rid of many things that I shouldn't have as well........


srshooter -- LOL!!

I'm picking my new(to me) one up later this week. I had one in a #1 and it was nasty, this factory gun should be much nicer

I can teach anyone to shoot a .460WBY or any other big bore well in one or two sessions. I have taught 95lb ladies who own a fair piece of African real estate to shoot .450Ackleys and a .500NE double without ever complaining about recoil. The difference is they listen. Same thing with good competative shooters ( they listen). Most men don't listen and have developed years of bad shooting techniques and muscle memory that causes them to get kicked like hell. They usually don't listen! Shooting big bores requires training, discipline and practice, not the endless recital of old wives tales and urban legends. I really should open a Vegas Big Bore shooting school. That actually could be alot of fun and do some good at the same time.-Rob

quote:

Originally posted by Robgunbuilder:
I can teach anyone to shoot a .460WBY or any other big bore well in one or two sessions. I have taught 95lb ladies who own a fair piece of African real estate to shoot .450Ackleys and a .500NE double without ever complaining about recoil. The difference is they listen. Same thing with good competative shooters ( they listen). Most men don't listen and have developed years of bad shooting techniques and muscle memory that causes them to get kicked like hell. They usually don't listen! Shooting big bores requires training, discipline and practice, not the endless recital of old wives tales and urban legends. I really should open a Vegas Big Bore shooting school. That actually could be alot of fun and do some good at the same time.-Rob

Yeah, yeah, yeah..... Everything is a matter of technique, we all know that.
The 460 wby, 500 A2, or a 585 Nyati, are all shootable, but to say that they dont kick is a big understatement.
Lets be honest; Yes they kick, but with some practise, and right technique, it is managable.