Alright, who has one and have they shot down any UFO's with it yet?

http://www.anzioironworks.com/

This looks like way to much FUN! Not to require a special federal permit? Over one inch, right?

Brando, perhaps you would be so good as to reconsider your choice of words, please. Edit that post.

Must be a hell of a good brake. No lead sled???

2nd that...not the best choice of words. Now if Brontosaurs still pestered our gardens, we might have an answer.

On a serious note, I have worked with both versions from Anzio, and the NTW-20 from Denal. Mike makes some great weapons, he really does, but that one you are talking about is just too darn heavy! It's over 100 pounds, and nearing 7 feet long. I can appreciate it though, as it's strength and craftsmanship are second to none, really. Flawless work you would expect to see on a high quality custom tactical rifle.
His smaller version, the take-down, is a spectacular rifle. I have personally shot it with great results. It kicks you like both hooves of a donkey, but it's accurate and well built. A few improvements were suggested, but it is all custom so he will build to suit. That rifle is something under 40lbs, if my memory holds, and it fits in a nice portable case. A standard two man team could employ this weapon with devastating effects and be quick and quiet (with his $3200 suppressor) to get out before a counter attack can be implemented.
Now the NTW-20 is sweat! Low recoil, under the Army's 62lb requirement, and smooth. Not exceptionally accurate, and that's very important in it's design application, but it's still a nice rifle. I believe it's a tad over 70lbs.

fourbore, the federal requirement for anti-material exemption is actually 1/2 inch. A half inch rod section cannot pass freely down the bore, so all 500's and smaller are fine. Now the 50BMG is .510 and therefore has a .500 bore, but it's exempt, and so has the 600 and 700 nitro express, 12 gauge (.729, and all other shotgun's up to 10ga .775), and many others. So I'm not sure why they even have it, but you can always apply for the exemption. Now the 20mm is NOT exempt. You must apply for a permit to own one. It is an anti-material rifle, and I don't think one can justify it's sporting use, unless Suburbans and Excursions roam your stomping grounds.

I see you call yourself "Extremist" for a good reason

I have a sense of humor, I wasn't offended by the first post. Just about anything you'd shoot with that thing could offend people actually. would be killer on volkswagens.

they have some cool looking toys. the company name is weird though, I'd think of a steel fabrication place, like somewhere I'd go for security gate or wrought iron fence.

Red

I fixed my post to a more political phrase...

Anyways, what makes me a little angry is I used to live in St petersburg Fl right around the corner from these guys and never knew it...

That's the kind of gun I like to bring up when people crap on about '50BMG the most powerful rifle in the world' etc.

20mm's are the kings of that class- shoulder fired anti-material guns.

and second what dago red said about the original comment. 1st maybe they were enemy planes.
Secondly unless we refer to all guns from now on as making pop noises and handing animals a bunch of flowers they will always piss some anti off.

Karl.

My brother bought a Lahti in 1960 through the mail for $99.00. The ammo was $1.00/round. He got 20 rounds. About that time some guys used one to blast a safe open and the sale was "discouraged" thereafter.

I seriously considered buying one and even had my wife approve it complete with suppressor and 1000 rounds! But then I thought, how much would I really shoot it? I have 2 50 BMG's that sit and sit this would most likley fall in there after 100 rounds or so, so why waste the time and money on something to be a safe queen? I figured I should buy a replacement since my wife was agreeable about spending money on high dollar "cannons" and then bought a Searcy 577NE instead. I figure I will shoot the Searcy at least twice a month and I do not have to get both the nessicary ATF permits that would have to come with the 20mm and the suppressor.

Someday, maybe I will think about it again but will most likley come to the same conclusion, why spend $20K on something to only shoot a few times, Anzio himself told me 1000 rounds would be more than he would ever expect any recreational user to shoot from one.

Very cool though!

Matthew

Get 4ga which is bigger bore,
and in heavy barrel with 4.3" brass
case outrun a 20mm with my powders.Ed

Hmmmm...

There is no limit on Muzzle Loaders is there...hmmm.
If you were to build one strong enough for smokeless?
Now I wish I had picked up one of the 20mm barrels we always had laying around in the Navy.

John

I could never afford anything of that nature, but it definately has a cool factor.

My dream rifle is a 50BMG preferably a Barrett M107...

Unfortunately, special lisencing is required. This is considered a destructive device. Need a class 3 or special permit in most places to own this. Extremely cool gun though. I wish I had one!!!

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Unfortunately, special lisencing is required. This is considered a destructive device. Need a class 3 or special permit in most places to own this. Extremely cool gun though. I wish I had one!!!

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Get 4ga which is bigger bore,
and in heavy barrel with 4.3" brass
case outrun a 20mm with my powders.Ed

Here you go! Have them build a 4 bore

Have any of yous guys ever heard of the old "Punt" guns? Turns out that you can still own one, and they are most commmonly found in 1/2 bore! Well, it takes 2 lbs. of shot anyways. They are usually over 100 pounds and in single shot muzzle loader only! If one really wants to push the limits of what can be had, JD Jones of Ohio makes what is concidered the most powerful shoulder fired gun ever built. It is the .950 Magnum. It generates some 36,000 foot pounds of energy with a 3,600 grain slug. Here's a perspective.

He quit making the 950 JDJ years ago. Mic Millan built the actions for this gun and only made 4 or 5 of them. They won't build anymore. This gun weighs around 70 to 80 lbs and cost right at 9,000 dollars. Not sure that can be called a shoulder held gun. The 9000 cost was 10 to 12 years ago. A 20 mm can get 38000 ft.lbs of energy without any trouble with a 3500 grain bullet.

bigdoggy,

True, but the 20mm's heaviest bullet is 2000 grains, and the version Anzio loads is only 1600 grains. And is heavier at 110 pounds (from their website).
Now I do agree, I do not believe an 80 pound rifle to be shoulder fired, so I must question the article in COTW on it. Either way, it's still a bigger bore, and therefore hurts more, so it must count for something? :-)

The numbers show the 20mm leading the pack at 40,000 lb/ft vs 38,700 for the 950. Combine that with the single shot lightweight take-down AIW is making, and you have a winner, along with a medical bill for your new clavical!

"...what a wonderful world..."

I tend to look on 50 BMG and 20mm as the 22 Hornet and 223 of the big stuff. In other words the bottom rung on another ladder.

If someone asked me what was the most powerful rifle then I would have a mixture of 460 Wby, 505 Gibbs, 600 OK etc. and depending on whether factory ammo or reloads, factory rifle or wildcat etc. Of course all of those are in a rifle that is basically thesame as 30-06 or 375.

Does anyone else think this way.

The 12GaFh in a 26lb rifle which is barely hand holdable can launch a 1000gr borerider at over 3000fps for a mere 20K of ME. Its even more fun with a 2000gr bore rider at 2000fps. At this level, I worry more about my retinas than my clavicle.-Rob

I'd eventually like to have something in this power range but without all the paperwork....

Something around the same weight as the AIW breakdown 20mm...

The high velocity bore rifles sound interesting...

Ed don't you have something in the works for a high velocity 4 bore???

Yes I'm a working on it. Getting close.
Should fire in June or so. Ed

Oh baby!!!

the 20mm is WOW ..

Search for articles and images of "T-Gewehr" on google. They always make me smile!

When you get into CIII stuff things get really cool and really stupid really fast. The paperwork isn't that bad and it opens up a new realm of big bore if you want to go that way.