Geez, I was still up in the air about whether to take the 416 Rigby or the 404 Jeffery as my light rifle with the Searcy 470 NE to RSA.
Are you guys thinking maybe the 375H&H with some 300gr Sierra Gamekings instead?

Rich

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Michael what's your address? I'm sending you a 270 and 375 matching set.....of REMINGTONS! LOL I guess that would be your equvilant of a lump of coal Christmas morning eh? Haha!

MileHI

I will not accept that shipment! It will be sent back to you at your expense! Come now, you are causing my stomach to get upset!

Dwright

If I was going to use one on a mule deer, better pick a good premium bullet!

I would not dare degrade a coyote by shooting one with that! Have you no shame man?

Michael

Rich

No man, you on the right track. Take one of the "4"s as the light rifle, that's what I did a few years ago and it worked great! Save the 375s for the rats up in Boise!

M

Michael,

Elmer Keith once told me that he liked the 270 better than the 30-06 and that if you used the 150 grain Nosler Partition in the 270 Win and were careful on shot placement that it was suitable for elk.

465H&H

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Originally posted by michael458:
Rich

Take one of the "4"s as the light rifle, that's what I did a few years ago and it worked great!

That's what I did too! 600OK/416WBY

Two Impala, one shot!

Now THAT'S conservation!

More people can handle a 375 witout developing bad shooting habits then can do it with 416.

Michael458,

"....have some hot chocolate and Southern Comfort"....

That is a waste of good hot chocolate

I just love the campfire matches.

HAPPY NEW YEAR

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Originally posted by gi:
More people can handle a 375 witout developing bad shooting habits then can do it with 416.

I disagree. My impression and experience is bad shooting habits occur equally regardless of caliber - just more apparent and memorable with something that bites back.

All of my pre-teen nephews ranging from 75 to 110 lbs have shot my .416 Weatherby from the bench (yes, it does have a factory recoil pad and I did have the factory muzzle brake on it) with 400gr SAF at 2700fps and all asked to shoot it again after the first shot. All did darn well too, though the same can't be said for the mellons, water jugs and water-filled coke cans they blew up!

465HH

Now Did you really have to tell me that? Maybe, just maybe you didn't hear him right?
Maybe you misunderstood? Maybe you heard 270 and he really said 470? Yeah, I think that is what it was! Tell me anything, but don't tell me that again! My ears cannot bear to hear that! Why that's somewhere close to taking the Lord's name in vain I think! No,,,,, NO NO, you must be mistaken! Elmer could never say that, at least not where it could get out at some later point!

If you say this again, I will cover my ears so I can't hear it!

Paul

Damn good team I would think! Two Impala, one shot! Good deal. I think 465HH did that with elephant recently! But I am not listening to him right now, he has a touch of can't remember things right today. He will probably be ok in the morning however so don't worry.

gi?

what is gi? GI, now that's better, more people can shoot a 223 better than a 375 so I hear too! If you scared just say you scared! It's ok, they have drugs for that!

AzGuy

AZ? AS? AX? Nahh, just funning with ya. Kinda got to liking my Southern Comfort, but some Az Wipe drank it all? Don't have any, not even for tonight! Might have to go back to work on that gallon of Grey Goose I suppose! Wonder how that is in Hot Chocolate? I know, maybe we ask JPK, I saw him with brown on his nose a while back, maybe it was hot chocolate and Grey Goose?
Yeah, some may think it's a P match, but honest I just been hacking on the boys with the Old Lady guns a bit today, all in good fun! Don't mean no Harm by it!

Well, depending on the amount of Greeeyyyy Goooses eaten later on, might not get back to this in time, who knows these things! So if not, all you boys, even JPK the suckup, have a Happy New Year, and be safe! For all you weenies with rat shootin 375s, well ya'll take care and I hope you don't run into anything bigger than a wharf rat to have to go to battle with, if you do, or if it's a realll biggg wharf rat, be sure to work that action fast and hard, and shoot the damn things with every thing you got, then load and go again until it don't move no more, may take 6-8 shots with 375 to get'er done, but just keep doing it, don't stop until you solve the problem and be careful, damn rats got big teeth and sharp too!

Have a good one, all Of Ya'll!

Michael

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Originally posted by GaryG:

If the 300 grain Barnes in 375 H&H has been such an effective all around load, would a 300 grain Barnes in 416 Rem Mag be equally so?

No. It's a question of sectional density.

Hmmm, 416 not a stopper. I have heard, that before the advent of the 458 WM, a caliber called 404 Jeffery reigned supreme with PHs and game wardens. Never really heard about inadequate penetration with its .423 pill pushed to 2600 fps. It seems as time goes on, the guns we use have become less able to do the job. By the time I hang up the towel, the next generation will be complaining about how the 800 Nitro Express really doesn't qualify as a Big Bore and that Bigbore should only be 1000 caliber and above.

As regards to Harry Selby, he was a marksmen and shot well because he constantly practiced. Oddly enough, Harry Selby retired with the unique distinction of not having a client injured or a member of his staff during his career, maybe not due to the awesome killing power of the 416, but probably due to careful planning an insight on the behavior of game.

The 416 does a bang up job on anything it hits. It is still very apt for plains game and can take any of the big five with authority. But for those in the need, Wayne over at AHR does have the 700 AHR.

John

Thank you all for your replies, tho to be truthful I never expected some of the type of replies that have been posted! The reason for my question was to find out if I can expect the same type of performance out out of either, using the same weight bullet. I was thinking also about recoil in the 416 vs 375 with the same weight bullets. It sounds like not. It sounds to me like the 350 grain in 416 might be the better option over the 300 grain, and make a great all arounder(is this a word?). Thanks!

Hmmm, uhhh, excuse me, I have a question.
Is it normal to have one testicle smaller then the other two?

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Originally posted by DWright:
Hmmm, uhhh, excuse me, I have a question.
Is it normal to have one testicle smaller then the other two?

Only if you're abnormal.....

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Originally posted by GaryG:
Thank you all for your replies, tho to be truthful I never expected some of the type of replies that have been posted! The reason for my question was to find out if I can expect the same type of performance out out of either, using the same weight bullet. I was thinking also about recoil in the 416 vs 375 with the same weight bullets. It sounds like not. It sounds to me like the 350 grain in 416 might be the better option over the 300 grain, and make a great all arounder(is this a word?). Thanks!

Your not to far out if you feel like trying the 416 Rigby. It is about 1/2 again the recoil of the 375 H&H, with practice, it is quite manageable, especially with a properly fit rifle. Let me know.

John

I have been re-reading the replies here, thinking about my original question and will ask one last question to see if I understand the responses here. If I were to shoot a buffalo, I would have a better chance of killing it with a 300grain 375 than a 300grain 416, correct?

The 300 grain .375 will penetrate better than the 300 grain .416 because of much higher sectional density. However, it also depends on just where you hit the Buffalo with each.
But then the .416 with a 400 grain bullet beats both of the other two options.
A 300 grain .416 is way too light of a bullet it that caliber.
So, Yes.

DWright, Just shoot your buff with a 400gr, or even the new 450gr Norma PH. You can always have a pocket full of 300 grainers at 2,900 fps in case a Kudu at 275 yards starts to interest you. Just know your different points of impact (or use opens for Buff, scope for other), and have fun with one gun.

Me, no, I won't be Buff hunting for awhile myself. And if it were me shooting a Buff, I'd use my .375 with 300 grain slugs, as it's one that I can shoot as easily, quickly, and accurately as any .243. with no thought given to recoil.
My old friend and well known gunsmith 'Larry Brace' hunted Buffalo a lot. He used nothing but his custom Win. 70 in .375 H&H on Buffalo and he said that they all went right down and died quickly. He was an exceptional shot with that rifle as he shot absolutely everything with it; including our little Blacktail Deer. It was the only rifle he hunted with, and saw no need for anything else; bigger or smaller.
I'm not especially recoil sensitive, but the .416 is right at the level where I have to think about it just a bit before I pull the trigger.
So I would actually feel more comfortable with the .375 for critters that can stomp me to death.

INMHO the choice between a 375 and a 416 is like any choice of caliber or weapon platform... It depends entirely on what you intend to use it for.

I think if you are hunting Plains game in an area where you might need to deal with an angry cow ele or bump into a buff that charges you then the 375 is the way to go. Heavy enough for the biggest non dangerous stuff and with the right bullet it can be called upon for the dangerous stuff in an emergency.

If you are setting out to hunt ele or buff then I think you should go with the largest heavy (within reason)rifle that that you can shoot well. If that is the case I would give the 416 the nod..

I myself would be especially interested in a fast 416 (like the Weatherby) loaded with a 350grain or 400 grain mono bullet.

Just my 2c

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Geez, I was still up in the air about whether to take the 416 Rigby or the 404 Jeffery as my light rifle with the Searcy 470 NE to RSA.
Are you guys thinking maybe the 375H&H with some 300gr Sierra Gamekings instead?

Rich

Rich,

Personally, I wiould take the 375 instead of one of your 40's. You really don't have any really large game on your list and I don't believe you will be hunting where there are DG. So use the best caliber for the job at hand.

465H&H