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this is going to be a small, but legitimate poll: How many of you traded a 375 H&H in on a Ruger 375? OR, bought the Ruger instead of the H&H because you consider it a better cartridge? Be honest now. Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | ||
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I was planning on building a 375 Whelen but when I actually handled a 375 ruger hawkeye african that plan was scrapped. I didn't vote because I do not own one yet. After the first of the year I'm going to the gunshop to order one! That thin pad will be replaced with a pachmyer pretty quick though, I'm sure the recoil is brutal in the light rifle.  Straight shootin to ya | |||
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I chose .375 H&H simply from ammo availability. "Let me start off with two words: Made in America" | |||
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there used to be a lot of reasons to not own a 375 cal rifle, like it was a browning, sako (weak extracter) winchester stainless clunker, or the bbl on a rem was to long and heavy, or it just wasnt stainless the list went on, now ruger has solved most of the problems , i still dont like the overmolded stock If your gonna be dumb, you gotta be tuff. | |||
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second 375 H&H owned. Mod 70 with 1.75x6 leupold scope bought a couple of months ago. "Sometimes nothing can be a pretty cool hand." 470 Heym; 9.3x74r Chapuis, Heym 450/400 on it's way | |||
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i got my .375 h&h m70 pushfeed just a little over a year ago... picked it as my first big-bore... ammo availability was the main reason in the choice.... other than that, no 416's or 458's were available in my price range at the time.. go big or go home ........ DSC-- Life Member NRA--Life member DRSS--9.3x74 r Chapuis | |||
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Traded my last pushfeed gun, a Sako A111 .375 for a .... 378 Mark V. Slam away. | |||
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h&h because I alredy load for it VERITAS ODIUM PARIT | |||
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Wasn't quite sure how to answer this one. My answer would have to be "both". I bought a .375 H&H just over a year ago and like it very much indeed. My one and only objection to the rifle (Whitworth) is that it's a bit heavy to carry all day long. I'm in the process of getting a Hawkeye in .375 Ruger right now. That's simply for the weight reduction of the Hawkeye. I'll have the H&H for the shorter hikes and the .375 Ruger for the all day "elk steep" climbs. Cpt. Jack | |||
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I would always opt for thr H&H.I made the decision before the Ruger was out but wouldn't even think to consider the Ruger. While I think the 375 power in a standard action is a plus, It's not necessary. Plus, just look at some of the posts regarding the Ruger :Are custom ammo guys loading for it, "Anyone got a good load for it" "Accuracy out of the Hawkeye" Seems as though people get so involved in Reinventing the wheel (mostly for manufacturers it's to sell more units {See WSM's}) we forget that time and tested truth about anyone who is good at what they do almost never relies on which equipment they use. IN other words, If Tiger Woods used a set of Wal-MArt ladies clubs, he'd still kick my ass in Golf. Here we have an example of probably the most tried and trued round since 1912 and as inveterate tinkerers we spend so much time 'bettering' it, losing sleep, poring over ballistics charts, trying to prove that it isn;t the most versatile cartridge ever designed, we find ourself in the long run pissing up the proverbial rope. PRoblem is, gravity eventually wins and all that piss has to go somewhere, so heads up. | |||
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I have to stray a little off course and report my newest .375 is the Weatherby version. But I do plan to buy the Ruger 375 if it is ever offered in stainless. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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I owned a 375 H&H, sold it. Was goign to have a 375 *something* built, I was leaning towards a 375 Weatherby or 375-338. I even had a stainless Mdl 70 donor rifle. Then the 375 Ruger was announced, so I waited patiently, intending to build one. When the Stainless Alaskan rifle was announced, I looked at it and said "That's about what I was going to build" and bought one. I coudl not be happier, and I am glad I didn't go for the other options. 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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Hi Rich. I had a credit with a local shop and bid on and won an A Bolt 375 H&H with a custom lam stock. I chose the H&H because of availablility of factory ammo and the nostalgia factor. The Ruger won't do anything the H&H will do just as well. I love the H&H...however, here is the problem...I shot the new H&H...light weight I might add. On the third round, the stock split, a piece hit me in the face and the trigger broke clean off.....DAMM!!!! Hopefully Reds Trading Post will do the right thing. Dana Dana CZ 458 Lott, 416 Rigby 375 H&H Remington C shop 50/2.5 BPC | |||
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have them put crossbolts in this one! Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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I am going with the H&H, for a match to my Lott, both on Rem 30Ss. If I was to get a factory 375xxx, and use it straight from the box, I would go with the Ruger Hawkeye. A grand less than the RSM and lighter/better weight for caliber. CZs would not be an option (to me, kind of fugly). If a 416 Rigby based wildcat or bigger, then the CZs get the nod. Keith IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!! ------------------------------------ We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club | |||
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Sold my 375 H&H, bought a Ruger Alaskan... of course, I might be picking up a Whitworth in 375 H&H too... However, that will probably be for my brother, or a buddy of mine... And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor. | |||
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Kind of a slanted poll, no? A better poll would be "will your next 375 be a ruger, a HH, or steyr" my NEXT 375 will be a ruger, Lets face facts, the 375 ruger vs 375 HH is basically the same only stuff of 308 vs 30-06, or better, 300HH vs 300 win. or 458 Lott vs 458 winmag answers? 300 HH is DROPPED by winchester as brass that they ever plan on making again. 458 winmag is a ONCE A YEAR seasonal run and 308 sells more civilian rifles today. more facts... the 375 ruger, for all intents and purposes, is the same thing... but fits in a standard action. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Is it true that Winchester brass for 375 H&H is "no more" If so, then I wonder what the reintroduced Model 70 will be chambered | |||
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How's the neck doing old pal? | |||
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Not bad Nick. Bag of lead shot  and lots of loads like 85 grains of Varget and 225-270 grainers, 100 grains H4350 and 270 grainers. No lead bag and full loads on go muzzle brakes A pair of 460s done the same as the 378s have just landed in Australia. As a side note I got a lot of neck improvement with some diet changes. How is that big banger 505 going? Mike | |||
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Jeffe, we be talking dreams here brother, not needs. All anybody "needs" to hunt NA is a good 30-06...we know this because Grancel Fitz became the first person to collect the NA Grand Slam of Big Game with a sporterized and restocked P17 and 180 and 220 gr bullets...and iron sights. Anything else is Ego Tripping; or because we "just want one". Very few people bought a 300WM because it was really any "better" than the 300 H&H, that was Winchester marketing department BS. Read your reloading manuals from twenty or more years ago. It was cheaper for WW to build 300WM's, it's the same reason they opted for the 458WM instead of using the FL 375 case. Several gunsmiths had built FL 458's on the 375H&H case, heck, I've still got a couple boxes of Norma cylindrical magnum brass. You get speed one of two ways, bigger case at the same pressure, or same capacity case at higher pressure. Take an unbiased source, or two, and look at the 30 caliber magnums. AA's manual tops out the 300H&H with a 180gr bullet at 3074fps @ 53,600 cup...because SAAMI says so. 300WM, 180gr bullet at 2894fps @ 62,200cup. The real advantage the 300WM has is SAAMI specs go 64,000cup...the H&H is limited (to those bozos and anyone else who hasn't ever worked with one) to 54,000cup. Run them at the same pressure and the Holland will bury the WinMag. It has to, it has more case capacity. They didn't have the WSM Barnes #3 300H&H....180gr XFB....66gr of XMR4350....3025fps....54,000cup 300WSM.... " ....70.5gr of RL-22....3030fps....64,000cup 300WM..... " ....75.5gr of RL-22....3103fps....64,000cup This per a phonecall ten minutes ago with Dave at Barnes. His thought was that the H&H, at the same pressure is the winner...if, if you can appreciate the H&H cartridge and load to the same pressure! The 375R is a good cartridge, it just doesn't have anything to offer to induce anyone with a chronograph to trade their 375H&H in on. Pressure and case capacity are the only options...as much as 375R supporters might argue otherwise. Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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Rich, Somebody may be mixing CUP and PSI there. Quite often 54,000 CUP = same pressure as 64,000 PSI in some cartridge comparisons as you well know (and that would make sense in this comparison), so you got a typo there. | |||
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Has anyone bought or planned to buy a 375 Ruger because they think that they are going to get remarkably greater velocities than the H&H? I know I didn't. The H&H has done just fine with it's velocities, so why change that? There are plenty of faster cartridges if you want that. The measure of a cartridge is not just it's muzzle velocity. The Ruger has a few aspects of it that offers an advantage over the H&H. It's up to the individual to decide if they are important to you or not. 375 Ruger- The NEW KING of the .375's!! | |||
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I picked the 375 Ruger, but I also own a McMillan-stocked 375 H&H that shoots little groups. I bought the 375 Ruger Alaskan a few months ago and this rifle and cartridge combo is amazing. I wouldn't mind having the Ruger 375 Ruger African model as well, which IMO, is the best handling big bore on the market today. Don't believe me? Go handle and shoulder one. | |||
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I wouldn't rush out an sell a good 375 H&H just to buy a 375 Ruger, but if I was going to buy a .375 and didn't have one, then the Ruger would be a viable option, its a good case and a great caliber on a std. length action... 375 Ruger vs. 375 H&H minus Nostalgia = a tie Add the nostalgia in, I will do that personally and the .375 H&H wins the show. Ray Atkinson Atkinson Hunting Adventures 10 Ward Lane, Filer, Idaho, 83328 208-731-4120 rayatkinsonhunting@gmail.com | |||
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The 375 H&H certainly has nostalgia but - like amnesia - it ain't worth a bucket of warm spit when it comes to performance. I have two 375 H&H rifles and this year bought two 375 Rugers and am considering buying another one built on an FN action. As the 458 Lott fanatics are fond of saying when comparing it to the 458 Win. The 375 Ruger is what the 375 H&H sould have been in the first place. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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Why does this continually have to be about trading in one over another to you? It's another option, that's all. You keep saying that you have nothing against the .375R but your posts seem to indicate otherwise. -+-+- "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - The Dalai Lama | |||
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375H&H is the man! all the rest are simply wanna-be posers!  ..........................  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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...375 Holland & Holland been doing what it does very well for a very long time. I may try a dance with one of the new girls at the ball, but when I return to Africa the next time I'll be dancing with the one that I know knows the steps.... | |||
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Slug, all in good fun, but the hoopla surrounding the 375R "...looks like a duck, walks like a duck, quacks like a duck...it's a peacock"...bullshit. It's a repackaged 375H&H and offers no advantage, except to (hopefully) boost Ruger profits by offering it in their regular action length. Its miniscule advantage, if any, over the proven 375H&H; is heavily outweighed by three other 375 caliber cartridges (375W, 378W, and 375 RUM), and matched by the 376 Steyr. Many years ago I talked with Jeff Cooper at Gunsite, and asked him what he thought about my CZ75 and its double action feature. His reply: "...it's a dumb answer to a question nobody asked...". The 375R is a good answer to a question that was asked, and answered, in 1912. The 375H&H doesn't need a replacement. If I replaced my 375H&H CZ or my FN Mauser in 375H&H Imp, it needs to offer more power, and that's not the 375R. It doesn't do anything better. Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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As a Lott fanatic, I resent that. I like my .375 H&H guns and if they aren't adequate for the task I'd be using the Lotts of fun.  | |||
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I don't think you guys get it. It doesn't need to do anything better. It certainly does some things just as well. Just try finding a FACTORY rifle in .375 H&H that's as affordable, easy to tote, and combines the features that the Hawkeye has? It's just another option, that's all. Why all the resentment? -+-+- "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - The Dalai Lama | |||
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CZ 550 Magnum, six shot capacity 375H&H for $799.95 How many do the rugger hold? Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... | |||
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Rich, I have to agree with you. See my post on a different/same type of thread. I have a rifle that I don’t see any comments on it is a Kimber BGR in .375H&H. Perhaps I will put express sights on it and modify the B into a D and not have to by the new DGR's.  Bill PS. I think nearley all the NEW cartriges are out there to sell more guns. They may or maynot be better.The market will tell us in a few years.  Member DSC,DRSS,NRA,TSRA A man who carries a cat by the tail learns something he can learn in no other way. -Mark Twain There ought to be one day - just one – when there is open season on Congressmen. ~Will Rogers~ | |||
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I got the H&H: More factory-loaded ammo around, much more reloading data, and proven history. The longer bolt-throw didn't scare me away. -eric " . . . a gun is better worn and with bloom off---So is a saddle---People too by God." -EH | |||
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Teat Hound,& the group NO offense, butyou couldn't tell if your w----e was 3/8ths inch longer, and neither could your significant other. Guys been making that 3/8ths inch longer stroke for nearly a hundred years, and killing everything out there around the world. It is rather amusing to hear guys talk about the short stroke/action advantage and then talk about their 416 and 458 Lotts. Rich DRSS Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost... PS: 74% of the legitimate voters say.....375H&H | |||
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We're pretty much in agreement here then. I'm going to have to get up there next year to shoot some of those big boomers you have . . . -eric " . . . a gun is better worn and with bloom off---So is a saddle---People too by God." -EH | |||
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"CZ 550 Magnum, six shot capacity 375H&H for $799.95 How many do the rugger hold?" How big is it? What's it weigh? What's the stock material and how would it hold up to the driving rain and sleet that I often have to hunt in? The Ruger's capacity is 3+1. I've never needed more than that. Idaho, What's with you? This is what you said a few days ago: "Great news...you indeed have a fine rifle. There is NOTHING wrong with the 375R, it's just got a lot of catching up to do with the buying public." What happened to that guy? What's up with you guys that don't want anyone to enjoy something new? I've got ZERO negative things to say about the H&H. The excitement that I have about my new .375 Ruger in no way directed at disparaging the venerable and PROVEN H&H. This is not an attack on the most versatile big game round in history. Why can't you just let me enjoy my new purchase without trying to make me wonder if I've made a mistake? I don't feel like I have made a mistake, btw, 'cause even if the round or the rifle doesn't become a commercial success I'm already on my way to a good supply of brass and we all know how easy it is to get .375 bullets. Ruger has sold every one of these that has been made and has a 2000 unit back order log. That's straight from a Ruger employee in Newport, NH. Yes, I live close by and yes, I know this guy. Idaho, How about a truce? I know you're a good guy, I've learned a lot from you. What do you say? -+-+- "If someone has a gun and is trying to kill you, it would be reasonable to shoot back with your own gun." - The Dalai Lama | |||
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I still haven't figured out what is wrong about that? How is firearms manufacturers selling more firearms and making more money bad for any of us? I think its a pretty damn good thing for all of us that enjoy shooting sports and/or hunting. No-one is making anybody buy a 375 Ruger or saying they can't buy a 375 H&H, We should all enjoy the fact that we can make these choices. And we all know firearms manufacturing is not much of a growth industry...if they can squeeze out a few more sales by bringing out something new (if not all that different), good on 'em. Cheers, Canuck | |||
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Canuck, In addition I think these new calibres do actually add to rifle sales as opposed to simple.....375 Ruger instead of H&H or 338 Win..... There would be plenty of shooters who have wanted a big bore but the(Pre 375 Ruger) current offerening in 338 and 375 bore were not for them. | |||
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