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I have a '50's military FN action that was a '06. Could a .375 h&h be done on this action? a good horse,a churchill sized Maduro,a true rifle,and 50 year old brandy.................. | ||
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yes .. it can be .. a 375 ruger will be cheaper .. expect to pay cubic dollars opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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But of course. My PH in Botswana's Tuli Block for plains game carried just such a rifle. He retained the military Mauser flag safety and thumb cut. Iron-sighted only. He loaded 3 down in the box and refused to chamber a fourth so as not to stress his true Mauser Extractor by pressing on the middle of it to make it snap over the rim. True Mauser = (True Controlled-round Feeding) + (True Controlled-round Extraction) = CRF + CRE = RELIABILITY which you do not find in a Winchester M70 or Ruger Hawkeye or RSM ... but you do get that with a CZ 550 Magnum. The Whitworths, etc., .375 H&Hs are opened up standard M98s, by action size. Harry Selby's .416 Rigby was even more opened up than that! Not ideal, but doo-able if you do not hotload it. Dropbox and M70 safety would be nice. But yes, why not a .375 Ruger in the stronger un-cut action?  | |||
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Yes, but the 9.3X64 will be much easier and basically equivalent. I built one of those and made the mistake of letting a friend shoot it. Like many of my guns, it parted hands all too quickly. Great shooter and easy to do.-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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I disagree. The 375 Ruger is a better fit in a Mauser action, but you will need the same components and machine work to make a proper mauser in either 375 Ruger or 375 H&H. Both will need to have: aftermarket bottom metal and follower, bolt-face opened, action rail/feeding work. The only real difference is that the H&H will need a tiny bit of work in the rear of the mag well and a bit more work on the feed ramp. This extra work will cost very little and should be offset by the extra work that the stocky Ruger case will need to get it to feed. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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the 9.3X64 popped into my melon just 20 min. ago,,the .375 Taylor also,,to use up all that size brass I keep getting,,but it seems that the H&H shape is more app. to this action.As well,,I plan on using pre war spec loads,which are more than enough for any non pac.s,,with MAYBE a brownie at the top. thanxx guys!  a good horse,a churchill sized Maduro,a true rifle,and 50 year old brandy.................. | |||
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No sir, you have to LENGTHEN a mauser to make a 3.65 work, but not a 3.4" round .. that .25 is about 1K .. that cost is ALOT more and the ruger rounds, and all "stocky" rounds, feed great, EXACTLY like a 416 rigby or 500 jeffe or 243 winchester ... its at least 1k more to make a 3.65" round, PROPERLY than to make a 3.4" round. bottom metal, custom gunsmithing, and feeding work. Jason, I've done the work .. i won't put ANTYHING longer than 3.4 in a mauser .. and that with ME doing the work opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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a 9.3x62 is the easiest of the mediums to make .. just rebarrel it opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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I don't know where you are getting the $1K figure, but I don't know of anyone charging those prices. Here is DW's price sheet. Notice he does not mention any extra charge to go to long magnum(H&H) as opposed to standard magnum(300WM, etc.). $590 either way. In fact, if you want to go from standard magnum to long magnum the labor charge is only $390. When it comes to putting big cartridges into Mausers DW is one of the best, if not the best, and his prices reflect this. Others will do it for more(and some for less...) but none will do it better.
Regardless, no one should be getting an extra $1000 for going to a long magnum over a short magnum and no one should be paying those prices. But the is a sucker born every minute. I don't mean any disrespect, but I think you are high.  Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Jason which DW are you posting? 390 bucks + 600 for custom bottom metal ..+ WHAT for feeding... 1K is a reasonable number for the difference .. and you are stick hacking a mauser apart to get there. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jeffe That is Duane Weibe's price list. Do you think his price to " Alter most to bolt actions to “magnum” $550" does not include getting it to feed......  And to properly convert a 30-06 FN to magnum you will need an aftermarket bottom-metal unit regardless of the length of your chosen magnum. The price is about $400 for either long or short magnum bottom metal. Again, I don't mean any disrespect, but I think you are high. Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Jason, okay .. we disagree .. Tell you what, ask Duane what the cost difference in a 375 ruger vs a 375HH on a standard mauser is, in his opinion, when done correctly AND assuming he has both reamers. I won't pick his prices apart, as everyone gets to set their own.. in fact, his makes WAY more sense that most ... he actually tells you "its going to cost" without any surprises. However, if you took most other peoples price lists, in ADDITION to rebarreling, the jobs woud lay out like this ruger (barrel work) +boltface (generally 50 bucks) + action work and feeding YOUR bottommetal -100-300bucks hh (barrel work) +boltface (generally 50 bucks) open action for HH length rounds (there's 3 ways to do this, btw) $200 + action work and feeding NEW bottommetal -200-400bucks New bottom metal $600 You COULD bottom dollar it .. get a markX 375 length mag (which aint pretty) for about 150 bucks, and then the extra for an HH opening and MATCHING of the way interarms does theres (all from the front .. not MY preference) which would only cost your $150+duane's 390,. or about 540 bucks ..and that's the CHEAPEST way it can be done .. which still costs MORE and you still don't have a nice bottom metal, just a working one .. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Jason, based of fmy experience, if it doesn't SAY feeding, it isn't included ... not with Duane, who is a master craftsman, but nearly everyone else. Why? If you ask a guy to install a barrel and chamber it, what is included in the price? If you don't ask, and its not specificied, then its NOT included. For example, MOST people charge X for threading and headspacing Y for bolt face Z for crown A for truing the action B for feeding C for "shop hours" for additional work. a CROWN is NOT part of "install the barrel and headspace", it is optional. WHy? some barrels come crowned, and a "Crown" is a general process, and some guys what it one way, and some another (11deg, recessed, target, hunting, etc etc etc) and there's really no FAIR way to price that genericly feeding ... making a 300 win feed is a piece of cake .. making a 358 winchester on an enfield is kinda tougher .. and the price SHOULD vary for effort. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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How do you get an action to feed without a chambered barrel on it? Just from experience, a .375H&H on that action will be about 300% more difficult than a 9.3X64. Personally, I have had more issues with Magnumized Mausers than any others and always reccomend the 9.3X64. Trust me no animal in this world will know the difference on the receiving end. Your wallet will on the other hand!-Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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If you use the 06 box for the 375 Ruger you are half-assing it in the same way. It may be even worse than using the box with a sheet metal extension for the 375 H&H because the Ruger is much fatter at the shoulder. If you will note the retail price of the aftermarket bottom metal is cheaper for the H&H than the Ruger. Also note that Duane makes a different box for the 375 Ruger and the standard magnums(300WM, 458WM, etc.). It is pretty fair to guess that the Ruger bottom metal has a wider box than the box on the standard magnums. This would lead me to believe that you will have even more trouble getting the Ruger to feed in a 30-06 box than you would making a standard mag work through the same 06 box. So what does this all mean? That both the ruger and the H&H will need aftermarket bottom metal to build a proper rifle.
Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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The 9.3x64 is a great round and is better than the 375 in some ways, but is does have some problems. Components and ammunition are more expensive and harder to find. There is interest in the 9.3x64. Jim Wisner was selling his remaining bottom metal a few years ago. I bought two long magnum units and inquired about the others he had for sale. He told me that several people were fighting over the 9.3x64 units. The 9.3x64 interests me in much the same way the 8x68 does. Unfortunately they both seem to have the same drawbacks... Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Jason .. you win .. you are right .. i still will say that its 1K difference for me to do the work for myself .. and thereby NOT do another long round ..then again, the 375 ruger does it .. and no, it's not halfassing it to use the same bottom metal that's not all patched up .. if its IN the metal, its IN it.. of course, if you click on the things in my signature, you'll see i've spent THOUSANDS donate to the sports some large bore rounds that do NOT require that additional 1K ... and gunsmithing prices only go up. You can keep changing the scenerio to fit the answer .. but an HH cost more money to do than a 3.4" round .. period, full stop, inarguable. opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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You can take std M98 bottom metal and Grind/mill it to take a 9.3X64. Cant do that for a .375H&H. Brass is available and so are 9.3mm Bullets. 200 cases will last a lifetine. Biggest drawback is barrels in 9.3mm are usually custom order and take longer to get than a .375H&H. -Rob Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012 Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise! | |||
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Jeffe There is no need for this to get heated(not that you are... I just want you to know that I'm not taking jabs at you). Please re-read my first post form this thread as copied below. I never changed the scenario. Note I said that you will need the same components to make a "proper" rifle using either round. I really don't believe a 375 Ruger with its fat shoulder will be proper in a FN 30-06 mag box. Could it be made to work? Sure, but it would be even more half-assed than than putting a 300wm in a 30-06 box or welding an extension to the front and using it for a 375 H&H.
Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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Hey.. tell you what,, i'll pm you my cell number and we can laugh about this opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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 DAMN GUYS!!!didn't mean to light a fire out there!!!!I was asking about the H&H'cause of the taper of the case being more app. to the mauser action/'06 shape combo,,and want something classic.I don't think ANYONE will need to go to ANYWHERE else to price out such a job!!!!!.I was going to ask about an older big bore for africa that would go in the Mauser,,but .............oh .....wait,.........PLEASE PRETEND I DIDN'T ASK !!!!!!!!! a good horse,a churchill sized Maduro,a true rifle,and 50 year old brandy.................. | |||
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