Probably old news here, but I'll post the link and a quote anyway:

http://www.charlesdaly.com/newsletter/vol4/feb06/feb06email.html

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...Zastava has decided to join with Remington Arms for now, so in the very near future you should be able to purchase Mauser (Remington Model 798), Mini-Mauser (Remington Model 799) and Zastava rimfire rifles (Remington Model Five)...

I don't know about anyone else, but I LIKE IT!

Won't they be stamped "Zastava" and "Imported by Remington Arms"?

That doesn't make them Remingtons.

George

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Won't they be stamped "Zastava" and "Imported by Remington Arms"?

That doesn't make them Remingtons.

Gunsmith with a surface grinder?

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Gunsmith with a surface grinder?

I will be going that route if they eventually release the stainless steel version.

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Won't they be stamped "Zastava" and "Imported by Remington Arms"?

That doesn't make them Remingtons.

George

Hi-Power
Made in Belgium
Assembled in Portugal

BDA
PB Made in Italy

A-Bolt II
Made in Japan

Doesn't make 'em a Browning...
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HOWA
Vanguard

Made in Japan

Doesn't make it a Weatherby...
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I think it's a good marketing move by Remington to pick up the MAUSER action.
Winchester/USRAC is tits-up for a while.

Besides, it'll irritate the crap out of a lot of Remington bashers!

BusMaster007

You got that right... I thought my smith/dealer was gonna spit venom across the room when he heard.

Like "what is Rem going to Fu*& over now"

Rich

Don't know if they'll make the most of it or not, but this is a great chance for Remington to reassert themselves in the rifle market. QC will hafta be good and they'll need to refuse to sell them to WallyWorld.

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Originally posted by richj:
BusMaster007

You got that right... I thought my smith/dealer was gonna spit venom across the room when he heard.

Like "what is Rem going to Fu*& over now"

Rich

Just tell the guy that when his distributor network is out of Winchesters and stocked with Remington 798's --- you'll buy one from someone else!
Tell him you just KNOW he's not going to sell that F'dUp Remington crap...

Finally a decent Remington, I hope they sell them to Wal-Mart

Remington now has a CRF action. Will that take up the slack of losing the CRF Mod 70?

465H&H

Sounds cool. I don't know what the problem would be.

Has anyone seen one? A local dealer told me he has a price list. About $579 his cost,clean barrels,no sights even on 458 Mag. Anyone else hear anything like that?

I'll believe it when I see it. I'll order one of these and one of there 45-70 double rifles as well.

My understanding is the barreled actions will be made by Zastava in Serbia. Remington will import and stock them.

Depending on how good the Serbian barrels are, how well the actions are finished and what kind of stock Remington puts on them, it might be another Mart product or it could be pretty decent.

I bought a charles daly mauser (same as the remington 798) in 30-06 a few weeks ago for $279. They must be putting diamonds inside the magazine well to make it worth $579 all of a sudden.

It looks like Charles Daly is out of the rifle business.

This is kind of interesting. Remington joined with Baikel, who left EAA, and their products went up 10%. Now the same story. It looks like the bean counters think the word Remington is worth about a 10% premium in the market. Let's just hope they actually make some products.

Remember, we are still waiting on the nonexistant 45-70 double rifle.

Now if they just don't figure out a way to put a J-Lock on the thing!

Rich Elliott

Has anyone heard if they will be selling actions only? I had heard several times that they will not be offering actions for sale. The only way remington will get any of my money is if they sell actions.

Chad

when will these be available

Any one hear what calibers Remington will be offering? A 9.3X62 might get a few dollars out of me.

465H&H

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Originally posted by 465H&H:
Any one hear what calibers Remington will be offering? A 9.3X62 might get a few dollars out of me.

465H&H

Dream on! They'll offer the same few chamberings as usual: .270 Win., .30-06 Sprg., and 7mmRem.Mag.

George

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Originally posted by GeorgeS:
Won't they be stamped "Zastava" and "Imported by Remington Arms"?

That doesn't make them Remingtons.

George

Your right of course, but anything is better than a push feed 700 Remington! I don't care if it is made in Outer Mongolia, it will have better QC than Remington!

i would have called it the Model 30 M

jeffe

Y'all are crackin' me up!

Gentlemen that spend 5-50 THOUSAND DOLLARS for a 'CRF MAUSER' rifle start quibbling about a 10% mark-up for the Remington name ( if that's even the case ) that amounts to less than a hundred bucks!

The 'QC' thing still depends on how Remington decides the rifles will look after assembling them.

7mm Rem.Mag. actions are 'DONORS' according to some people on this Forum --- so buy one; kill it; and shut up, for Pete's sake!

J-Locks are DEAD. I'm killing mine very soon, before I even shoot the rifle ( there's a reason I haven't shot that darn 700 / .375 ULTRA MAG yet! )
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I do hope that Remington does a good job of this.
I'd be all over a CRF REMINGTON for the .470 AR project...
Keep posting in good will, now!

Man, you guys are like a bunch of winey old women. WHATEVER happens, you are going to bitch about it. I am sure if Remington or any other company for that matter, followed all of the recommendations on this site, they would be out of business in nothing flat. 10% so what? MSRP means NOTHING, NOBODY actually knows what the street price will be and already you guys are complaining. You know why they will offer the rifle in chamberings like;"30-06,.270 and 7MM Mag.? Because thats what people buy! You know why they sell guns that Walmart wants? Because Walmart is far and away the biggest gun seller in the US. If you want custom gun quality in what ever obscure chambering you want, there are lots of custom makers that will be happy to build you whatever you want and it will only cost you 500-1000+% more! The few people on this site do not represent the vast majority of gun buyers.

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The few people on this site do not represent the vast majority of gun buyers.

Thank goodness!!

Now if they only make it in a left hand model.

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Originally posted by loboga:
Man, you guys are like a bunch of winey old women. WHATEVER happens, you are going to bitch about it. I am sure if Remington or any other company for that matter, followed all of the recommendations on this site, they would be out of business in nothing flat. 10% so what? MSRP means NOTHING, NOBODY actually knows what the street price will be and already you guys are complaining. You know why they will offer the rifle in chamberings like;"30-06,.270 and 7MM Mag.? Because thats what people buy! You know why they sell guns that Walmart wants? Because Walmart is far and away the biggest gun seller in the US. If you want custom gun quality in what ever obscure chambering you want, there are lots of custom makers that will be happy to build you whatever you want and it will only cost you 500-1000+% more! The few people on this site do not represent the vast majority of gun buyers.

Loboga, you are absolutely correct in most of what you posted. The fact that Remington finally decided to market a rifle with CRF system is a break-through, that should be applauded. As far as the MRSP is concerened it costs little more the produce a CRF rifle than a push feed, and by useing someone else's action (Zestava MAUSER) it costs less, IMO!

You are right, the 30-06, 270, and 7mm Rem Mag IS what folks who buy at Wal-mart buy. Nobody is disputing that fact, or the fact that that is where bulk of the money is generated. ALL TRUE!However pride of ownership comes from quality, not bargain basement quality, at the price of a decent rifle. This is what developes a NAME in any product, not just guns. If a company ONLY builds bargain product, they will not gain the rep they need to compete. Like cars or anything else, the product line has to have a top, and a bottom, so far Rem has only sold at the bottom. At least if they stay in the Cheap, they finally have a proper action.

However you are missing one fact, that is very relivent to the opinions this is getting, and that is the tital of this forum, which is BIG BORE RIFLES !

30-06, 270, and 7mm mag are NOT big bore cartridges,in fact, they are not even medium bore, and if Remington doesn't chamber the new MAUSER actioned rifle to the mediums, and the big boys, then the value of this action is wasted. Addtionally, if Remington does chamber the 416 Rem Mag, 458 WM, and the like, and then places the rifle in one of those TUPPER WARE stocks,they are known for, little is accomplished by the chambering of serious cartridges.

I don't understand why some people get on a forum that doesn't suit their shooting then complain because the people on that forum use the rifle the forum is labled for! In this case however, the person who said they probably would only chamber these rifles for small bore cartridges was most likely correct, and that is based on Remington's past habits. The new rifle only applies to this forum if it has at least medium bore chamberings. Medium starts at .366 cal, and big bore starts a .40 cal. In that catagory, the rifles have to be put together, properly, because of the use these rifles were made for. The proper use of BIG BORE rifle demands 100% reliability, and that is what some are predicting Remington will botch, with their tinfoil triggers, and safeties, soft plastic stocks, and pot mettal sights! That is based, again, on Remington's history.

I'm not calling you down, please don't take my post that way, because it isn't meant in that way. I'm just trying to explain why the posts are the way they are. Very few of these guys who post here regularly, restrict there hunting to deer, and elk. Though most all do hunt these things, they don't use big bore rifles for that purpose. The same guys on a North American hunting forum would be talking about the same cartridges you are talking. I predict, in that forum, you will also find folks who want quality, not found in Wal-Mart as well! There are many rifles that sell in the same price range as the Rem rifles, that are far better quality. That opinion is not limited to the BIG BORE, or AFRICAN HUNTING forums.

Maybe Remington's custom shop would offer chamberings and details that their production models don't have like they do on the 700 and 7 series? It would be interesting to wait and watch...

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Originally posted by loboga:
Man, you guys are like a bunch of winey old women. WHATEVER happens, you are going to bitch about it. I am sure if Remington or any other company for that matter, followed all of the recommendations on this site, they would be out of business in nothing flat. 10% so what? MSRP means NOTHING, NOBODY actually knows what the street price will be and already you guys are complaining. You know why they will offer the rifle in chamberings like;"30-06,.270 and 7MM Mag.? Because thats what people buy! You know why they sell guns that Walmart wants? Because Walmart is far and away the biggest gun seller in the US. If you want custom gun quality in what ever obscure chambering you want, there are lots of custom makers that will be happy to build you whatever you want and it will only cost you 500-1000+% more! The few people on this site do not represent the vast majority of gun buyers.

Since you've claimed to be associated with Remington, perhaps you could explain their utter disregard for quality control?

Their continuous lying about the availability of the .45-70 Baikal double?

Their contempt for left-handed shooters, especially big-bore shooters?

Their frequent introduction of cartridges no one really needs (8mm Rem. Mag., SAUMs, et al.), and their withdrawal just a few years later in favor of some new, unneeded 'wonder cartridge'?

Or their failure to utilize FMS to anywhere near its potential?

Explain the ISS/j-lock fiasco?

Electronic primer ignition?

Or the 710? Was that your bright idea?

Remington has been on its heels more than once, because of decisions and policies such as those above. Once the 'gun people' left and the speculators moved in, Remington's decline has been precipitous.

I own seven Remington 700s, plus an 11-87, but I haven't bought any Remington firearms since 1994. Why should I, considering all the above factors?

The fact is, this forum and others are populated by the hard core of shooters, not the people who buy an econo-model and a 20-round box of promotional ammunition that lasts them for years.

For us, factory rifles are in most cases a starting point, since Remington and others don't offer ready products for the advanced shooter and hunter.

By the way, if you don't like it here, don't let the 'door' hit you in the ass on the way out.

George

I have a dealer catalog that has the 798 listed. None of the rifles come with sights and all are in brown laminated stocks. Prices range from $450 for 30-06 and the like to $550 for 375 H&H and 458 Win. Now these are dealer prices listed in a current catalog, but the distributor has none in stock. So who knows what the price might be when they show.

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Originally posted by loboga:
Walmart is far and away the biggest gun seller in the US.

Walmart sets the price they will pay and Remington cuts whatever corners they must to meet that price. Walmart is the worst thing that ever happened to Remington....other than a bunch of accountants running Remington instead of rifle lovers. I will go a step further...IMO Walmart is one of the worst things to ever happen to this country. Just because they are successful doesn't mean they are beneficial.

All the same, I wish Remington well in their new endeavor.

I love the friendly atmosphere here...it's conducive to fostering long lasting relationships with newcomers.

It looks like Remington is going to give us the opportunity to get the big bore items, even if they start with the .375.

It also looks like this will be an opportunity to continue to buy CRF/MAUSER actions in the USA now that Winchester/USRAC is in limbo for a while.
This is good for getting the factory offering as a 'starting point', as one poster mentioned.

Remington is America's Oldest Gunmaker, and like any company that's been in business for a long time, will have its high and low points.
The fact that they have tried many different things and even failed at a few is something they should be proud of --- failure is its own success in a strange way.

WE, the shooting enthusiasts, owe a bit of thanks to Remington for making those sacrifices for us to enjoy or dispute, as without their effort, the world of firearms would be missing something.

The animosity toward one gunmaker and their products astounds me.
The quickness to tell a member to 'get lost' also astounds me.
I see this Forum as a gathering place to learn and help all shooters, but, brother does it ever get nasty in a hurry sometimes...

Let's be glad Remington is working at getting another and different product into its line-up so we shooters will have more FUN things to play with!

Maybe Remington will put a few of these together chambered for some of the RUM cartridges. BINGO! Instant .404 donor actions...

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Originally posted by 465dbk:
I have a dealer catalog that has the 798 listed. None of the rifles come with sights and all are in brown laminated stocks. Prices range from $450 for 30-06 and the like to $550 for 375 H&H and 458 Win. Now these are dealer prices listed in a current catalog, but the distributor has none in stock. So who knows what the price might be when they show.

By chance are they showing any left hand versions???

Thanks in advance!

Huntr

Negative on the left hand versions. Sorry.

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The fact that Remington finally decided to market a rifle with CRF system is a break-through

remington marketed a CRF rifle for quite a long time, going on 26 yrs total, a very long time ago: the model 30 - and a fine rifle it was too - and its successor the m720. only been lucky enough to have one m30 and never an m720. this was before remingtons market approach to build something that at least functions but undercuts the competition by a huge margin by cheap construction methods. CRF is nothing new for remington tho.

So, Busmaster007, you think it's alright for 'loboga' (who is NOT a new guy; he has been registered since 2002) to insult other AR Members for voicing their opinions, but it's not alright for me or others to challenge him to explain Remington's business decisions?

Remember, he has claimed to be associated with Remington in the past.

George

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Originally posted by BusMaster007:
I love the friendly atmosphere here...it's conducive to fostering long lasting relationships with newcomers.

The animosity toward one gunmaker and their products astounds me.
The quickness to tell a member to 'get lost' also astounds me.

I see this Forum as a gathering place to learn and help all shooters, but, brother does it ever get nasty in a hurry sometimes...
e glad Remington is working at getting another and different product into its line-up so we shooters will
!

BusMaster007, I think you better go back and read loboga's post! It didn't start out too friendly!

"MAN, you guys are like a bunch of old women. WHATEVER happens, you are going to bitch about it!"
That is just the first two lines!

I submit, when you walk in the door where poeple live, and start calling the residents old women,because their opinion doesn't agree with your's, you stand a chance of being ask out the door!

Personally, I simply believe loboga, was simply haveing a bad day, and his post came off a little strong, when he probably would have worded it differently if he had the chance! However, you can't un-ring a bell, or pull back a bullet!

Who is going to moderate the "moderator"?

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Originally posted by jtinidaho:
Who is going to moderate the "moderator"?

Hmmm, 24 posts and you're an expert on moderating a forum on this site?

The fact is, we do not have to allow attacks on our Members to go unchallenged. Of course, if you do not mind suffering attacks from people you don't know, please state this in your profile. I'm sure someone will accommodate your masochistic tendencies.

George