I was wondering if perhaps any of ya'll has had any experiance with the 50/140... or how effective it might be on dangerous game ?

thank you,
jake

If you are wanting a realy powerful flanged .50cal game rifle, just go with the 500NE.

Hog Killer

hogkiller,

imagine the .500NE 3 1/4" case...that is the 50-140 in a strong actioned rifle. Replicate the .500NE 3" performance with less pressure. I know, I have owned both and chronographed a couple hundred rounds thru each.
And, no, I do not recall the twist for either. Krieghoff double rifle. Oh yeah, 1:15" twist in the Badger barrelled 50-140 on a Ruger #2.

Rich

I.S., with no more definition of how the 50-140 would be loaded I chose to answer as I did. I am well aware of the dimentions of both cases, and their normal loadings. RRJ did not say what rifle was to be used. In a 1874 Sharps and with traditional BP loads the 50-140 would not be a true DGR. With loads like you mentioned in a Ruger SS, yes that case would work just fine. However these points were not addressed in the inquirery.

I dod not like to "Ass/u/me" what someone else is thinking when they make a post.

Hog Killer

Almost 25 years ago I built a 50-140 on a Ruger #1 action. At the time I talked to Jim Bell of Bell brass and asked him his opinion of the strength of the brass. He told me it would handle any safe pressure for the Ruger #1. I then talked to Frank Wells out in Arizona and told him of my project. He told me I could probably duplicate his 510 Wells cartridge, or at least come damn close.
Worked out fine. Was able to easily exceed 500 3" balistics with it. Shot it for about a year and then somoene who wanted it more than I did ended up with it.
With the price of brass, I would give it a serious look. Be aware though, that the original 50-140 Sharps used a .512 diameter bullet...almost made a mistake on that one. Luckily got the barrel cut to take .510 diameter bullets. Used mostly some old Kynoch bullets and some Barnes 570 grain for the 500 3".

D'acrcy Echols built one on a Hagn action for a client, called the 510 Nitro Express, described on page 207 of Cartidges of the World, 7th edition.

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Originally posted by fla3006:
D'acrcy Echols built one on a Hagn action for a client, called the 510 Nitro Express, described on page 207 of Cartidges of the World, 7th edition.

fla, is the Ruger#1 doable?

Based on the posts on the Double Rifle board, I suspect he is asking because of the possibile availability of a double in this chambering made on a shotgun action for not too much money. I have no idea how heavy it could be loaded.

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.366torque: fla, is the Ruger#1 doable?

Absolutely!

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Originally posted by fla3006:

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.366torque: fla, is the Ruger#1 doable?

Absolutely!

Will it be fun and pleasent to shoot?

Absolutely................NOT

#1's are not that great for 458Lott's.(recoil impulse) I would not want one in the 500NE class. Unless the weight was brought up to 11 lbs, or so.

Hog Killer

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:
Based on the posts on the Double Rifle board, I suspect he is asking because of the possibile availability of a double in this chambering made on a shotgun action for not too much money. I have no idea how heavy it could be loaded.

Well, I can tell you the Ruger No1, or the Hagn action can take a lot more pressure than the shotgun actions used in the rifles he is looking at! That's the name of that tune!

My ZKK Lott seems to kick harder than my #1 Lott, even though both have similar weight, stock design, recoil pads, etc. so I think perceived recoil is pretty subjective. Not sure where this myth about Ruger #1s kicking harder than same caliber bolt guns comes from, probably the small hard pads that come from the factory.

50 caliber DGRs are significant step-ups from the Lott. I'd be sure to build a 500 or 510 NE with a beefy stock, weight, etc. regardless of type action.

I have a Ruger #1 chambered in 50-120. It is an unpleasant experience to shoot. I have shot mostly cast 500 qnd 570 gr. bullets. One would want a 11# rifle if you wanted to get max velocity out of a 50-140 for sure. Mark

366torque,

I have a ruger #1 in 3 1/4" 500 nitro. It weighs 10 lbs even and I shoot 570 grain bullets at 2365 ft/sec. It kicks but you can get used to it.

i have a #1 in 458 win mag... with a millet electronic 1x reddot... so far, i've only shot factory loads... in 350 gr and 510gr... i have a galco slip-on recoil pad... mainly to increase LOP....off the bench, the 510's are uncomfortable... standing, very manageable...

It's worth noting that Kirk Bryan, owner of Shiloh Rifle Company, has publicly stated that his 1874 Sharps rifles will handle anything a Ruger #1 will tolerate as far as cartridges and pressures are concerned.

Having had a standard-weight #3 Shiloh 1874 in .50-2.5" (now rebarreled to .45-70), I can also say that I would NOT use such a rifle for cartridges such as the smokeless-loaded .50-3.25"!!!! Waaay too much "fun" for this lad.

For that matter, my #1 in .416 Rigby has convinced me that it's about as far as I'd care to push that design, too.

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Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
366torque,

I have a ruger #1 in 3 1/4" 500 nitro. It weighs 10 lbs even and I shoot 570 grain bullets at 2365 ft/sec. It kicks but you can get used to it.

Thank you! I was thinking of a single shot akin to a Sharps. However Sharps come with "sharp prices". A fifty would be perfect as I am thinking of a 500 AR. (the 550 Express may be too much of a good thing)
Interchangeable bullets would be great!
So a .510 single shot with 30" tube and a take no prisoners s**t stomping .510 bolt action!!

And eventually a .510 DR!

Hogkiller,

I did assume that his reference to usage as a DGR chambering means he was interested in potential and suitability. The answer to both assumptions is an unqualified Y-E-S!!!!!! I have noticed a tendency to swoon over the size of most classic (read: British double barrel or single shot rifles) DG cartridges and forget that we Americans had similar case capacity cartridge here; up to 50 caliber at least, and like the british, loaded black powder in them. With smokeless, we dropped case capacity and bore size in favor of more useful hunting designs.
In reference to the original question: a Ruger #1 (or Tomo577's upcoming run of Wickliffe actions) will provide a platform for a "Nitro Express" 50-140 that will out velocity and ME anything in 50 caliber the british have ever provided factory loads for. 700gr bullets at 2300fps for example.
No offense meant, but I think the Ass/u/me was in your response, not mine.


Rich

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
In reference to the original question: a Ruger #1 (or Tomo577's upcoming run of Wickliffe actions) will provide a platform for a "Nitro Express" 50-140 that will out velocity and ME anything in 50 caliber the british have ever provided factory loads for. 700gr bullets at 2300fps for example.
Rich

I like it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

now THATS a cigar!

not to plug a forum member, but I absolutely CANNOT WAIT!!! for those Wickliffe actions in the spring. I see a fabulous, cost-effective test bed for all sorts of big bore cartridges. I think I will set one up and just order 1 3/8" x 28" barrel blanks and do all of my load testing before I install it on a bolt action rifle.

Rich