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Stopped into one of my favorite used "toy" shops and the first rifle on the rack... a Recent production Rem 700 in 375H&H The asking price of $789 would seem a bit steep at first glance even though the rifle is in very clean shape... but only "a bit high" for a used wood stocked 375H&H and that only if you ignore the Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x40 Heavy Duplex scope that was mounted to it...  It's enough like stealing to feel guilty, but not enough for my brother to leave it there AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | ||
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did good   Doug Humbarger NRA Life member Tonkin Gulf Yacht Club 72'73. Yankee Station Try to look unimportant. Your enemy might be low on ammo. | |||
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great deal ! Id switch the scope out, thoug you put that oin 10 powewr you might bust your head open a we bit ...tj3006 freedom1st | |||
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I'm going to suggest to my brother that he do just that... I can't imagine needing a 10X scope on a 375... I can see a possible use for a 10X scope on a 338WinMag however and it just so happens that his McMillan stocked M70 in 338 is currently scopeless.... Gee, the rifle was really clean, and I really shoulda checked the scope eyepiece for blood... might have been able to wangle a biohazard discount AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Nice find! ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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May I suggest: 1. convert to a Sako extractor 2. weld or screw the bolt handle on because it is only soldered and sometimes the solder is not strong enough 3. replace the trigger with a Timney to avoid the accidental discharge problem that has plagued Remington 700s | |||
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No, you may NOT so suggest, infact I suggest you take your suggestions and.... Every time I see these kinds of suggestion for a remington I wonder what the poster has been smoking... (And I thought mormons avoided "Stimulants?) I have NEVER seen the bolt handle come off of a Remington and believe that anyone else who claims to could solve the famine in africa by supplying fertilizer? The remington bolthandles are "silver soldered" more precisely called silver BRAZED onto the bolt body, silver brazing can be stronger than the parent metal. Sako extractor? Oh please! The sako style extractor gets no more of a bite on the shell rim than the remington extractor does, and in nearly 30years of owning and shooting remingtons I've seen ONE broken extractor and that one was broken by a "K-split" piece of brass in a 270, it was NOT metal fatigue. IMO the only proper place for a Sako Extractor is.... (Drum roll please) on a Sako! the only sako extractor conversion I've seen in person on a remington I saw because it had broken. Granted I prefer the earlier "riveted" extractor to the rivetless one, but I can change that myself in less than 20 minutes. Accidental discharge? This is a new rumor to me... (and you can put it in the same place as the rest.) I have three remingtons all with factory triggers set at just above 2lb and I've yet to have an Accidental discharge.... 25 years and counting... The only problem with remington triggers resulting in "accidental discharge" are the results of stupid assholes who possess screwdrivers messing with the sear engagement adjustment and the only thing I consider "accidental" about that happening is that the idiot FAILED to have the rifle pointed at their own head when the "accidental discharge" occoured. I see no purpose to making some gunsmith rich by paying him good money for parts and labor to fix non-exsistant problems. If you feel differently about your money and time have a blast.... enjoy... whatever.... AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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   ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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Well, I have a 10x scope on my 375. Then again too, its the redneck version of a real DGR, so whatever. It also happens to be a 700, and for the first time yesterday, it failed to extract an empty. It left the brass clean inside the chamber. Had to close the bolt on it a second time to get it to grab and extract the empty. Is the 10x needed? Maybe not. But it sure was nice using the mil dot to hit a 12" gong @ 570yd at the range too while zeroed @ 100yd(took forever though). The Sako extractor? Well, I am starting to form the opinion that CRF is better for your health than a PF every now and again. BTW nice find on the rifle, I forgot we were talking about your new toy, sorry.  | |||
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I have a 1969 Remington 700 that is literally nearing the end of it's third barrel's useful life. I know I ran atleast 2500rounds through the first 25-06 barrel. around 3000 through the second before an expirement with cast bullets (left a gas check in the barrel whicn the next bullet didn't like) ruined the second one. the third barrel's main malfunction is that it doesn't particularly like some bullets I want to shoot and I consider that unforgivable, so I'm replacing that 22" CrMo tube with a 24" stainless tube and through all that original extractor in the original bolt is still going strong.... So what exactly is wrong with remington extractors again? what is it that's wrong that I'm supposed to spend $200-odd on fixing? What is so FREAKING good about a sako extractor that I'm supposed to stop carrying a spare rivet type remington extractor (which I've never needed!) in my range tool box? Please tell me? I wanna be educated! Though don't anyone worry about keeping me waiting, becauseI won't be holding my breath waiting for an intelligent reply. BTW, who here knows what a "K split" is? (I already know) AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Ok, let me start this post by saying that I own several Remington 700 actioned rifles. I like them and think they are a good base for an accuracy oriented rifle. Having said that, I have personally seen two Remington bolts come off Remington 700 actions. That is no urban myth. Fergus | |||
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Allan I agree with you 100%. | |||
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The handle thing seems to happen mostly in competion shooting like hi-power and tactical where the shooter slaps the bolt harder/faster in timed events and shoots every shot that way in practice, too. I've never seen it happen to a hunting rig and I've seen a whole bunch of Remingtons in the field. Hundreds. Never saw an extractor fail except once with illogically high pressure hand loads and I have first hand knowledge of exactly one case of the infamous "flick the safety off discharge" syndrom and I also know for a fact that trigger was never worked on. Just the opposite; I think it got cruded up with dried oil. OTOH, I also saw a Mod 70 extractoor fail (snapped off at the claw). I also have seen trigger sears wear and begin slipping on a non-adjusted factory Savage rifle. Anything mechanical can fail for good reasons. I don't think the Remingtons are any worse than others. "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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Allen D: I was cheering your rant. Pretty good one! The SAKO extractor thing is something I wouldn't do to a Remington. I would like to know what the 'K split' is. ____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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That is how mine came off. As a favorite instructor once said, "slap that bolt like she's yo' ho'." LD  | |||
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Allen, I do think you made a good score, especially with the scope. The Remington action itself has tremendous strength, and the greatest accuracy porential out there. That is why there are three or four new actions on the market that are basically just slightly tweaked varriations on the theme. I think the chrome moly bolts are less likely to come off than the stainless models. Shoot the snot out of that rifle. LD | |||
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The bolt handle breaking in competetion use I can imagine, but on a Meat rifle? I think we are on the same wavelength. But why would 500grains with his typing fingers on "full auto" ASSume that a 375H&H is going to be used(abused?) that way? To me it is fairly obvious that if you try to run a new car in the daytona 500 it isn't going to last 100,000 miles...
I know you were, I was just getting rolling... I was suffering from an understandable alergic reaction to bullshit.
that's just so nice, a worthless news story (reporters are firearms experts?) with no background information or commentary from an expert on the actual condition of the firearm in question. but I'll glean from it what I can to show you that the story is making the WRONG point. OF COURSE the owner will claim it was maintained, cleaned and properly oiled (and the trigger housing not gummed up like many poorly maintained remingtons) with varnish that used to be oil) and OF COURSE the owner didn't modify it.... OF COURSE their finger was nowhere near the trigger. And now I have to ask, if proper Muzzle dicipline was being followed who would have been hurt? The real point as I see it... WHY was this person unloading a firearm with the muzzle pointing at someone else? Give me a good answer to that And I'll listen to anything else you say... (Read between the lines to how I'll react to a poor answer or no answer at all... And remember, you opened the door!) Do I REALLY need to ask here (of all places): WHY must a muzzle ALWAYS be pointed in a safe direction? and if the muzzle was pointed in a safe direction how was someone shot? Hmmm? is it as obvious to anyone else that if someone was in fact shot then the muzzle was obviously not pointed in a safe direction? In this case you cite someone who was VERY stupid for just an instant.... an instant is sometimes all it takes to turn stupidity into horrible tragedy. Firearms are ALWAYS loaded Triggers are ALWAYS "hair triggers" Safeties NEVER work right. ALWAYS Expect a firearm to go "bang" at ANY instant. and keep your muzzle pointed accordingly... Now, for BusMaster007's edification since he asked. A "K-split" is a linear crack in a cartridge case that extends from above the web of the case down but short of the extractor groove. An "L-split" extends into the extractor groove an M-split extends into the primer pocket. Any of these splits are considered "dangerous"as a split meeting K or L specifications causes sufficient gas leakage to prevent a serious risk of injury to a shooter not wearing eye protection. Remember that old saying, if you fire a bolt action rifle and you see smoke at the breech it's a very bad sign... I have a batch of OLD ammunition, Remington 270win 130gr bronze points ammo that's old enough to be in the pre-WW2 red & green boxes that I can almost guarantee that 1 of 3 will split to atleast a K split when fired... anyone want to try some? Don't do it in a rifle you care about The first one was discovered in my brother's Rem700 and killed the extractor The breech was smoking and the shell wouldn't extract... We got it out using the bolt from another remington that didn't have a broken extractor and the split case looked SCARY.... On examination of previously fired cases several "J-splits" were discovered and another K-split. We fired off several others in a clapped out piece of junk... an old sporterized WW1 vintagemauser that just happened to be chambered in 270Win and things got real interesting, the rifle was clamped to the bench and covered with an old folded blanket the second case split lengthwise in three places... Two seperae J-splits and a single K-split. the third shot blew the blanket off the bench and only the rear half of the claw extractor still in the rifle, the front half was never recovered. the case split in a classic M-split from above the web all away through the extractor groove, rim, through the primer pocket all the way to the flash hole, there was also a parallel K-split approximatly 1/8" away and all the gas leakage went straight at the face of the extractor claw... AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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...but.....but but then its not a Remington anymore DRSS: HQ Scandinavia. Chapters in Sweden & Norway | |||
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Allan, Now, do I give a dang if you fly off the handle at dan on this one .. nah... i've done the same thing when he presumes that all rifles should be of X quality and such... do I think you should go through your new remmy and slap it around a little, then fix whatever fails or directionally fails? of course so, if you are willing to listen a second, as you seem just a bit juiced up about this.
The lady was pointing her rifle at a stock trailer, not at a person. Dan posted a court transcript. So, yeah, it was pointed in a "safe" direction.. ie.. not AT her son.. there's quite a bit of "easy" to imagine story.. but how about she was riding shotgun, the truck was then pulled along side the bar, with the stock trailer being the "only" thing between her and 3000acres of known to be empty land and she had an AD (doesn't matter if the safety failed or not, AD's don't ALWAYS mean the GUN failed) .. Or would you suggest she MEANT to shoot her son? jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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a rifle pointed at a "stock trailer is hardly better than pointing it at a wicker basket. "Believed to be safe" direction? that sets off alarm bells in my mind. a safe direction you can SEE then MIGHT be safe. Understand that I know how a stock trailer is constructed it's not a significan't impediment to any firearm even if you do manage to hit a slat on the way in and the way out. If your detail is correct She was still only pointing her rifle at an obstruction to her VISION, not to the passage of the bullet. the story could just as easily be "she was pointing the rifle at a haystack" and that is also "concealment" rather than "cover". You can throw details all you like, if PROPER weapons safety was being practiced any "mechanical" failure that did or did not occour would be irrelevant. ANY injurious or fatal accident is the result of a chain of events. break any link in that chain and the results either don't happen or are far less severe. It seems perfectly obvious in hindsight that there were poor choices involved The GROUND is usually a safe directon. here the violation was that the rifle was more or less leveled to the horizon where people tend to be... (People who are tunneling are safe from small arms fire on the surface and I've never seen a human flap their arms and fly! I'll say it one last time, the weapon MAY have malfunctioned But a greater contribution to the accident was the person holding that firearm at the time and their CHOICE of holding it horizontally. Any malfunction contributed to the tragedy, but was not in essence the cause. In short, Operator malfunction. BTW, Did the Rem700 in question have a floor plate? if so why wasn't it used? If the trigger group malfunctioned what was the cause of the specific malfunction? Was it all varnished up as is frequently the case? And the safety lockign the action is only an issue on the older remingtons. and BTW2, my favorite rifle, the one I ALWAYS grab on my way out the door unless I carefully convince myself to carry something else? is a 1969 700ADL that still has it's old style "bolt lock" safety and there is no floor plate for unloading, will I send it back to remington so they can adjust the trigger to 8-1/2lbs with lots of gritty creep and overtravel and SEAL it that way with epoxy? no, on your life.... I like my perfectly functioning 2lb trigger pull.... I simply make sure that my rifle is pointed in a safe , and I mean REALLY SAFE direction, ike a dirt berm, the GROUND or a sand filled bucket. when I release the safety either to fire it or unload it. my trigger isn't filled up with 30year old varnished factory oil either. before hunting ech year the rifle is detail stripped, all metal parts washed with degreasing solvent, the exterior wiped with RemOil (non varnishing) and the working internal parts sparingly lubricated with Military "LAW" (Lubricant, Arctic, Weapons) I am careful and methodical and not a bit forgiving of those who aren't and I certainly won't excuse someone because their OBVIOUS mistake caused them a personal tragedy, nor am I in the least inclined to be forgiving of anyone who makes excuses for such stupidity. (carefully consider if that is what you are doing...) And it WAS stupidity. a "stock trailer" and "empty real estate" do not add up to "safe direction". People involved in such tragedies almost invariably look for someone to blame and In my carefully considered opinion they usually need look no further thn the nearest mirror. Could a mechnical failure have contributed? I'll conceed that it could have. HOWEVER proper safety disipline is what it is for DAMNED GOOD REASONS as you have so kindly allowed me to point out here.... Repeat after me: OPERATOR ERROR. Without the operator error the mechanical failure would not have resulted in either serious injury or death. One More Time: OPERATOR ERROR you are making me suspect you are a personal injury lawyer... AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Allan, first you ignore that I agreed with you on what to do with your remmie, and then ignore facts you wheren't aware of in this issue allow me to be blunt you are being an ass. you are allowed to "read" into the situation, but don't allow others to.. and then deny reality stock trailer... repeat after me ... aint A PERSON that this person determined a stock trailer is a safe direction is actually outside your purview to judge... GROUND could have been ROCK which means RICHOCHET... but you don't know that, do you? So, I guess the purpose of your entire post is "i've got a bigbore remmie and I'll do whatever I want" good on you, do that get over it jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Medium bore, Jeffe, medium bore .I had Lois read his posts yesterday. She agrees now that I am not that bad to live with, considering the alternatives .LD | |||
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Congrats on the purchase. It's always nice to feel like you came out ahead every once in awhile.  Has this Remington issue ever been brought up before? As far as 26 years of shooting Remington's. 1. I have never had a bolt handle come off. Nor do I personally know of anyone who has. I tend to hunt my rifles very hard by the way. 2. I have never had an accidental discharge, except when adjusting the triggers in my shop. Hence the adjusting part. 3. I have never had one fail to extract after thousands upon thousands of rounds through various guns. Never had an extractor break. I thought about putting a Sako style extractor on once, but my gunsmith said to bring in it when the original breaks. He added that I won't have to go to the expense. He does a bunch of work on Remington actions. 4. The only guns that I have ever had problems with happened to be CRF actions. But I will not go around bashing them. Heck, there was a post about a custom 404 Jeffery on Gunbroker, and the owner admits to having feeding problems. This on a vaunted Whitworth action. I still own and shoot both types of actions. 5. Most importantly, shoot what you like, like what you shoot. Be confident in what you are shooting and by all means HIT what you are shooting at. My two cents, nothing more, nothing less. | |||
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Rifle aimed horizontally without a safe backstop is against ALL against safety rules a "stock trailer" does not constitute a "safe backstop" If the rifle in question had been pointed at the ground as safety rules dictate we would not be having this discussion or more precisely this deviation to the original dscussion... I did not bring the news report of a tragedy into this discussion in an attempt to prove someone else's point. But I had no problem picking it apart What I find tragic is the general mindset that you see everywhere in society that "someone else" is to blame whenever there is a tragedy rather than people being responsible for their own actions. Can you deny that proper firearms handling would have prevented the tragedy? and if not who is the ass? Safety rules may seem to some people to be about "what if ____ happened?" (I.E.another pointless "what if?") and my comment to those people is that safety rules are about "______ happened, how do we prevent it in the future?" But there is always the potential to learn the WRONG lesson or ignore a more basic more simplistic lesson... In this case the lesson is: POINT THE MUZZLE AT THE F@$@#$& GROUND STUPID!!! I don't know how to simplify it further for those that just don't get it.... AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Hey 500 you hit the "DUMB WALL" didn't you? Allen, I'd not do any of the things 500 suggests!  The Sako extractor will not convert the 700 to CRF,nor will the timmney trigger!  I'd simply keep the luepold scope, and sell the push feed soldered bolt, 700 to some hard head who doesn't know better, and wait for the new 798 CRF rifle,built on a Mauser action! JUST RIBBING YOU SOME! However, anyone who has been around more than a couple of years knows there are some serious problems with the Remington 700 series rifles, that can't be fixed with some simple changing of a few parts. Buy what you want, that's your business, but don't kill the messenger because you don't like the message. This is a forum that is dedicated to the exchange of information. That is all 500 was doing, simply telling you something you might not be aware of. He didn't suggest you get rid of the 700, just how you can make it a better rifle. I, on the otherhand, would suggest you buy something else, rather than spend money on the 700. Neither 500's nor my advice are mandatory, just suggestions, that you may use or throw away! GOOD SHOOTING what ever you decide! ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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a Rem700 is a Rem700, some people don't like them, both my brother and I do. the "issues" people claim for the remington 700 are somewhere between exaggerated and non-issues. and I suspect the vast majority of the people complaining about those issues haven't actually owned a remington or lived with one for any length of time... but they'll whine as long and loud as someone who had shot their foot off with one. Honestly? I'd LOVE to have a real pre-64 Safari in 375H&H but that was not the original discussion. I'd like even more to have a 375H&H from Holland & Holland (yeah, there are arguably better custom makers but they aren't Holland & Holland and never will be) I'd also love to have one of the original John Rigby built Magnum Mausers in 416Rigby... But not having the price of a new car to spend on a rifle.... The original point of my post was mainly about the score on the SCOPE deducting the $500plus value on that scope means that the 375H&H Remington actually cost less than $300 and even the most passionate remington hater must admit that a deal like that is too good to walk past... $800 for a Remington 375H&H? Yawn! $800 for one with a Leupold VX-III 3.5-10x40? that's a completely different kettle of fish! Hey, how about his last rifle purchase? Last summer he got a Rem700AWR in 416Rem for $775! The fact that the 375H&H rifle in question is a Remington "Classic" is also nice, though there was also a C-prefix (Remington Custom shop) heavy barrel 375H&H safari on the rack right next to it for the same exact ($800) price, but that one wasn't offering a $500 scope... If there were a Winchester Custom shop on the shelf next to it with the same scope for the same price or $100 more? NO QUESTION Yeah, the Winchester would have come home instead... the whole "if it's not my personal favorite it's crap" mentality is something I don't understand I currently have three remington 700's in my safe and I can't really think of anything I'd replace them with even if one of you resident remington haters were going to GIVE ME the replacement... I LIKE my Remingtons. the thing I regret most about them? That I don't have atleast two more of them. I missed my chance to get a 25-06 and a 7mmMag Sendaro (looks like I'm about to get a second chance I LIKE remingtons, stop telling me you don't because I don't CARE what you like! I'm not buying MY rifles to make YOU happy. And for the record this was a rifle my BROTHER purchased, he also likes remingtons this rifle was purchaced to replace a Winchester M70XTR (pushfeed) he sold because that POS simply would not shoot worth a damn. Get over THAT! I know, I know... pushfeed winchesters are also shit... AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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Not to make you feel bad but I just picked up a like new super black hawk for 150. | |||
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Yeah, watch out for the six guys wo'll interject themselves into the discussion to tell you that because it isn't the three screw model that THEY always wanted that it's junk From me? GREAT find! AllanD If I provoke you into thinking then I've done my good deed for the day! Those who manage to provoke themselves into other activities have only themselves to blame. *We Band of 45-70er's* 35 year Life Member of the NRA NRA Life Member since 1984 | |||
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