Fine, thank you. I hope you're surviving the winter so far. I also hope you find some answers here for your questions as many are very experienced hunters with lots to offer.

And good luck overcoming thread drift here! We have many rudderless vessels in this marina. Lots of cruises to nowhere and many end up on the rocks.

Fair seas, captain.

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Originally posted by jsl3170:
Fine, thank you. I hope you're surviving the winter so far. I also hope you find some answers here for your questions as many are very experienced hunters with lots to offer.

And good luck overcoming thread drift here! We have many rudderless vessels in this marina. Lots of cruises to nowhere and many end up on the rocks.

Fair seas, captain.

Cold here tonight, The dog only snifes the air and runs back into the house. Did you get your deer?

and yes I'm am finding many great answers from the wealth of information on this board. I've been exchanging information with one of the resident booking agents about an elk hunt next year. I couldn't lurk anymore after 3+ years of lurking. I needed to ask a question now and again , just to confirm my own thoughts.

I don't notice any difference in blast from the 20". Maybe some from the 19. Not nearly as bad as a 16" M1A or Saiga in 308.

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Originally posted by fourbore:
Here is the Ruger African in 9.3x62, 7.75 pounds, 1-10 twist, 23 " bbl

http://www.ruger.com/products/...pecSheets/37113.html

Good Job Ruger with adding the 9.3x62!! Piss Poor Job Ruger that you dumped the barrel band swivel mount

Just received a call from one in the know at Ruger. He said; "Good News, we're still using the barrel band". I asked when they were going to be shipped, and he replied they are taking orders now from the distributors. I buy from Jerry's on an FFL, so he said just stay up with the distributor for when they come in for sale to the dealers.

later

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Originally posted by GaryVA:

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Originally posted by GaryVA:

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Originally posted by fourbore:
Here is the Ruger African in 9.3x62, 7.75 pounds, 1-10 twist, 23 " bbl

http://www.ruger.com/products/...pecSheets/37113.html

Good Job Ruger with adding the 9.3x62!! Piss Poor Job Ruger that you dumped the barrel band swivel mount

Just received a call from one in the know at Ruger. He said; "Good News, we're still using the barrel band". I asked when they were going to be shipped, and he replied they are taking orders now from the distributors. I buy from Jerry's on an FFL, so he said just stay up with the distributor for when they come in for sale to the dealers.

later

Nice rifle, about a year too late for me. I've put a one rifle limit on big bores

I have a Savage LA 375 H&H, OEM 26" bbl and I modified it to use the early 375 H&H magazine, actual max case OAL 3.55". It shots and handles fine for me. But after reading all the "stuff" about the shorter barreled shooters coming out today, I decided to bobbit off to 21" and add a MB, just to see what happens.

It still handles OK but doesn't feel quite the same and it LOST a bunch of velocity which means it lost even MORE energy...I'm down to ~2650 fs with a load of H4350 that was doing well over 2800 fs in the longer barrel...which translates into ~800 ft lbs of energy. WHAT magnum??

To me that is a GIANT step backwards...I want a magnum sized potential in a magnum size cartridge case and now the only way to get that potential back is to screw on a new 26", 375H&H chambered bbl, rechamber to an AI version(not enough volume increase to do much good) or go to the even bigger 375 RUM which is ~17% larger, needs a 4" magazine length to really use the total case capacity, requiring more powder just to equal the shorter barreled 375 H&H velocity and even MORE powder to gain back the original 26" bbl 375 H&H velocity. Again, to me that is a giant step backward, and more cost in a new set of dies or new barrel. But it was worth doing it for the knowledge gained.

I'm starting a 375 JDJ project and just ordered a Midway 375 cal, 26" bbl. After crunching the numbers to get some load predictions, bullet weight for bullet weight 250, 260, 270 and 300 gr and comparing to my 375 H&H before and after "Bobbit" chrono readings, the 26" 375 JDJ should produce velocities very near what the 21" 375 H&H is producing now...with a LOT less powder...~25% LESS powder...~60 gr for the JDJ against 80 gr for the H&H I won't know for certain until I get the barrel chambered and some tests going what the actual variances will be.

Basically you could say that the much smaller 375 JDJ is almost the equal to my present 375 H&H or the 375 H&H is now only a slightly more muscular 375 JDJ that eats way more than what it's worth.

Most of my larger calibers wear 26" bbl. They handle fine in the bush and give me the maximum potential of the cartridge.

Everyone will have different numbers to bandy about and everyone has different requirements and defensive positions to fall back on so what I come up with might not mean much, but it WILL be a very good comparison between barrel length velocity loss, cartridge capacities and what is required to gain or lose velocity/energy.

Whether or not it will have meaning to you relates to whatever your understanding, requirements and needs are...Nothing more or less. I'm doing this for MY edification and knowledge and not attempting to "prove" anything...just presenting some "useful" information to use as you will.

I'm looking forward to this round of testing.

Luck

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Just received a call from one in the know at Ruger. He said; "Good News, we're still using the barrel band". I asked when they were going to be shipped, and he replied they are taking orders now from the distributors. I buy from Jerry's on an FFL, so he said just stay up with the distributor for when they come in for sale to the dealers.

Gary
Could you ask your friend about the RSM? Dropped from the on-line catalog.

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I have a Savage LA 375 H&H, OEM 26" bbl and I modified it to use the early 375 H&H magazine, actual max case OAL 3.55". It shots and handles fine for me. But after reading all the "stuff" about the shorter barreled shooters coming out today, I decided to bobbit off to 21" and add a MB, just to see what happens.

It still handles OK but doesn't feel quite the same and it LOST a bunch of velocity which means it lost even MORE energy...I'm down to ~2650 fs with a load of H4350 that was doing well over 2800 fs in the longer barrel...which translates into ~800 ft lbs of energy. WHAT magnum?? Frowner

This should not be a surprise, the conventional wisdom on the 375H&H is 25fps loss per inch barrel. You lost 30 fps pr inch. Was that a surprise? Why?

The point in cutting a barrel is for fast handling, adding a muzzle brake has the exact opposite effect. Who are you blaming on AR for that idea?

I had a 26" Browning in .375 H&H that gave an easy 2700+ fps using RL-15. Had it cut to 22" and lost 200 fps. Had it cut because of inaccuracy problems. Traded it for another Browning A-Bolt SS in .338 WM which was promptly rechambered to .340 WBY. With it's 26" tube 250gr NPs exited the muzzle at 3000 fps. A 26" 300 Win Mag gave 3215 from 180 NP's and so on. Never found them heavy or a burden. In my view, - 4" will loose more that it's worth. Hold your thumb and finger apart...at about 4", it ain't much, but the loss in KE IS significant IMO.

Bob

www.bigbores.ca

I too have been considering bobbing a couple of rifles. I have 3 almost matching commercial mausers in 30-06, 9.3x62 and 375HH. I had the 9.3 built with a 21" barrel and love the handling of this rifle. The other two are both factory at 24". I think after some thought, I will keep the 3way combo as is and use the longer barrels when I need the speed and range, and use the nice handling short rifle for everything else. Only problem is, you never know for sure what the shootings going to be.
Another connundrem. Take care, Les

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Originally posted by FOOBAR:
I have a Savage LA 375 H&H, OEM 26" bbl and I modified it to use the early 375 H&H magazine, actual max case OAL 3.55". It shots and handles fine for me. But after reading all the "stuff" about the shorter barreled shooters coming out today, I decided to bobbit off to 21" and add a MB, just to see what happens.

It still handles OK but doesn't feel quite the same and it LOST a bunch of velocity which means it lost even MORE energy...I'm down to ~2650 fs with a load of H4350 that was doing well over 2800 fs in the longer barrel...which translates into ~800 ft lbs of energy. WHAT magnum??

To me that is a GIANT step backwards...I want a magnum sized potential in a magnum size cartridge case

This has me scratching my head also. You cut off 20% of the barrel and lost 5% of the velocity.... Well what did you think was going to happen????

And you "want a magnum sized potential in a magnum size cartridge case", well you need a magnum sized rifle to get it(not a carbine).

1 or 2 inches is no bid deal, but five inches, yest that is going to change a lot of things....