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When I was at the the shot show I talked to several Remington reps. The anwser was the same maybe late 2006. The reasons varied from they want a perfect product to the factory is so busy making the others in the line that they have no time for the double. The reps seem like they would like to get them into the country as they all said they could sell as many as they could getx They seem disappointed that they couldn't get them. | ||
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I was at the show this past weekend and was not impressed with the general knowledge of many of the reps who were manning the booths for the big companies. The guys at Remington could not properly function their products and seemed to have very little technical knowledge about their product. One of the guys at the S&W both didn't know the slide locked back on a 1911 handgun and didn't know how to release the slide. The guy at CZ didn't know how to remove the bolt from the rifles and didn't know how to put it back in after I showed him how to take it out. The folks a Leupold were completely clueless and could not answer even simple questions. The Winchester booth had some nice looking females but they were completely useless if you had any questions about the products. Very few had any recall of the details such as weight, length, trigger pull, custom options or stock material for the guns. Pretty girls hanging around the booths I understand, but why would the companies have a a bunch of dimwits standing around who couldn't properly demonstate the product and knew very little about the guns is beyond me. I would not give the Remington reps WAG as to delivery time for the double much credit. These guys were merely bodies to make certain the guns didn't walk off. It was sad to see Jeff Cooper in such a debilitated state, but to his credit he was there signing books and making a bit of small talk with the customers and passersby. His daughter and wife were wonderful and the devotion to their father and husband was heartwarming. What a great American and the last of his breed. Perry | |||
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It's because they employee sales people not gun people. And that's because the people running the major gun companies are business people not gun people. You can go out of business faster with gun knowledge and no business knowledge. Just look at some of the great gunsmiths who constantly struggle with customer service when you can't fault their work. In an ideal world the people running the major companies would be gun nuts with business degrees. Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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I have to agree with fjold to a point, but I do disagree with a salesman not knowing at least the basics of the product he is selling. To use an example, if I walked into a Porsche dealership with 100K in my pocket and the salesman couldn't give me an idea of delivery time or the specs of a new Porsche, I would probably turn around and find a dealer that could. The firearms rep at the show should have at least known what options are available, how to handle the gun safely and when it should be delivered. | |||
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Although I havent always been a sales guy, as I have a technical backgound, but been in sales for quite sometime. Its not the sales guys that set delivery times, that comes from the factory with Marketing folks in the middle. In some cases sales guys don't know when things are going to ship, they can ask till they are blue in the face, but nobody will step up to the plate and say when. Sales guys should know what they are selling. Bottom line the gun industry does not have a robust sales force like some industry or at least thats the read I get. The gun industry is not a high margin business, sales guys are not going to get paid big big bucks for the most part, so these guys working the shows may come from distributors with a line sheet for those that know what that is, not a Remington, or whoever. Its just the nature of the business, but I may be wrong. Billy, High in the shoulder (we band of bubbas) | |||
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A 45/70 double? I have to ask, WHY? jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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Why ask why? "Science only goes so far then God takes over." | |||
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We either have an noisy echo in here or Socrates' ghost. My bet is the former. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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It would be a great pig gun! (That is what I say whenever I pick up a new rifle for which I have no other justification. By the way -- you should not have to justify a rifle purchase. ) | |||
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CH: In that light, I understand, just as long at it comes with a VERY reasonable price tag. jorge USN (ret) DRSS Verney-Carron 450NE Cogswell & Harrison 375 Fl NE Sabatti Big Five 375 FL Magnum NE DSC Life Member NRA Life Member | |||
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For the pure unadulterated fun of playing with it. What better reason to own any gun? Frank "I don't know what there is about buffalo that frightens me so.....He looks like he hates you personally. He looks like you owe him money." - Robert Ruark, Horn of the Hunter, 1953 NRA Life, SAF Life, CRPA Life, DRSS lite | |||
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not to start anything, but .30-30, .32 Win , .35 Rem. fun stuff for med. game. Kurt. | |||
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Sales REP's. are sale reps, regardless of the product. Lots of them jump from business to business and never bother to learn the product. I have been through it from both sides. I have been in sales in several companies where I was the only one with any tech experience and sometimes was looked down upon for it. believe me the sales reps in Remington were not there to "keep the guns from walking off", in fact there are people there to keep the sales reps from walking off with them. Don't forget that sales rep's. are independent contractors, so they are not employees of the companies who's products they push. I suspect its true of all the booths, but I know for a fact that it is true in Remington that their ARE people there who know the products and how to work them, the problem is finding them since at times they may 30 or more people working the booth. The problem with the 45-70 is that it is being built in a Russian factory over which they have very little control. | |||
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I took a good look at the double 45-70, it is not bad at all, retail supposed to be $699, wholesale $499. Fit and finish acceptable but very plain. Rear sight has tiny U, has to be recut or replaced. Barrels adjust for spread. A bit light at 7.5 lbs, but there is an 11mm integral dovetail scope rib and rings, said a Rem rep, will come with it, so that will add some weight. Handling and balance were OK. If the shooting qualities turn out OK this gun will be a bargain. | |||
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guys, seriously... "a bit lite at 7.5#" is funny... handirifles in 45/70 weigh 6-6.25 ... now THAT"S a bit lite for full house loads, but not bad... we shot my 470 AR sunday with pistol bullets 400gr at 2300 .. in an 8.25# rifle ... recoil was light... and you'll NEVER break 2100 with a 400gr bullet in a 45/70... besides, a pound of powder tunsten is 20 bucks from corbin I won't be asking for them to deliver anything but the 45/70... sometime in the current decade!! jeffe opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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After being at a few big shows I found the girls are just for looks one never asks them anything. A lot of the smaller booths had the owners and operaters there they knew their products. Randy and Connie were in the Barnes booth, Serria and hornday had good people there. The most interisting story came out of the Trijcon booth. A young marine had a Trijcon scope that stopped a bullet in Irag one could see the core inside the scope yet. Over all I would say some knew their products most did not and a lot of BS was flying. | |||
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I like the $$$, and I do happen to own a 45-120 Reamer. Does an increase of 1.15"oal in case length make it look better? 3.25" to be exact. I thought so... Rich | |||
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