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| Rikard.....No 1's in .416 Rigby can easily be rebarreled to .500 A-Square. Lee Martin www.singleactions.com |
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| A Ruger No. 1 can be set up in 577 NE but would kick the living hell out of you. |
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| if you go with a 500 something, it should weight AT LEAST 11#, if not 13...
577 should weigh 15
these weights are because I believe you to not be expereinced with high recoil.
TT, are you for real? Want to try a 500 jeffery?
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| Rikard....with a little work, .375 H&Hs can be converted to .500 A-Square. I did a .416 Rigby to this caliber and used a detachable muzzle brake. Recoil was stout, but not overly punishing. Lee Martin www.singleactions.com |
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| Exabit,
also consider a cz 550 .416 rebarrelled to .500 A2
or cheaper alternative a cz 550 reamed out to .458 Lott. |
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| Rikard.....it's hard to describe felt recoil because much of it depends on what you're used to. Personally, I shoot a lot of big bores to include the .585 Nyati, light-weight .50 BMGs, the .600 JDJ, etc. Thus, the .500 A-Square doesn't seem that bad. I would however say that if you can easily handle a Ruger in .458 Win Mag, you should be able to manage a .500 No. 1 (if the barrel is ported or braked). Now don't get me wrong, the .500 A-Square does slam a lot harder than a .458....all I'm suggesting is that you could probably get used to the recoil. Lee Martin www.singleactions.com |
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| quote:
Originally posted by 500grains:
A Ruger No. 1 can be set up in 577 NE but would kick the living hell out of you.
nope, I disagree although it is "invigorating" - see next post - KMule |
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
if you go with a 500 something, it should weight AT LEAST 11#, if not 13...
577 should weigh 15
these weights are because I believe you to not be expereinced with high recoil.
TT, are you for real? Want to try a 500 jeffery?
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jeffe - diesel dude has a 577 3" on a #1 and he has recently moved to San Antonio - you guys should get together sometime, he can tell a good story and would gladly let you pull the trigger on the 577 ![[Eek!]](images/icons/shocked.gif) - I will admit the first time I shot it, I was hesitant but after a few it is kind of addictive - I believe his rifle weighs about 11 - 11.5 pounds? Great fun ![[Big Grin]](images/icons/grin.gif) KMule |
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| KMULE, you are a tougher man than I. In my 585 nyati, 12-14 shots of 750 grains at 2250 is my limit because I start getting that 'car accident feel'. |
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| A 577 NE on a Ruger #1 will not kick the living hell out you! I have one,and I love it! Has two mecury suppresors in the stock and a muzzle break.it weighs right around 12 lbs.With 650's going 2000fps it is just downright fun The heaviest I have shot out of it is 750 woodleighs at 2300! Cases getting sticky on extraction at this point.Any way my point is this is a very fun rifle to shoot,I have even shot it off the bench! Kmule has photos I belive.As a matter of fact I am goign to knock the dust off of this weekend! |
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| I'm getting ready to convert an extremely accurate No. 1 25-06 to a long range 50cal target rifle. I intend to shoot 750gr target bullets. I have a very heavy 50 cal target barrel for this and plan to open up the forend bracket as much as possible, then "rebate" the barrel so it will screw in. I haven't decided yet on caliber, but it will be either 500 A-square or 500 Whisper.
Someone made a comment about extractor work. This isn't necessary on No 1's. The new extractors are less than $10 apiece and can be had in a lot of sizes. Ruger lists the same one for the 45-70, the Weatherby and the Rigby. If you go with an Asquare or weatherby, simply drop out the breechblock and swap the ejector. It will be much more reliable and less work. |
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| Check the 550 Mag, we have developed, on the thread of same name.Uses easy to get 460 brass, will get
over 9000 ft lbs energy if you want.Work in a #1 as well as bolt guns.If you load to potential you will want it at least 13 lb gun. Why go A-Sq when you can run same case straight sided, for a 55 cal, that is
better than a 577, good as a Nyati, and uses standard brass , shellholders; and leaves plenty of metal around chamber for safe full power
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| Hubel 458,
who makes brass, dies & bullets for the 550 ??
Thanks PC. |
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| invited DD and his 577 on a little pig hunt in december!!
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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
invited DD and his 577 on a little pig hunt in december!!
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wooo haaaaa!!!!! that will be a hoot - don't stand to the side of the 577, the muzzle blast is horrendous (I know first hand) - one day DD and I went to the old gravel pit, we shot the 577, a 450 ackley, 50 alaskan, 375 ultra, plus various handguns - total shooting was probably 3-4 hours - I will admit to that odd "daffy" feeling in the brain after that much lead was sent downrange - but, you know what, we went several more times after that KMule |
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| PC--Brass is 460 Wea, or 460 Basic,Bullets are by Hawk(two jacket thicknesses)and
solids by Bridger.C&H will be making dies.
We are getting every thing lined up now,
for a big order.
Check the 550 MAG thread and get a hold of RNS
if you want to join in with building one, and ordering supplies.Ed. |
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| Hubel
In my case, it's because .510 match bullets are available. In fact, the Whisper is a subsonic 50 caliber. MV is less than 1000 fps, but due to the subsonic BC of the 750gr match bullets, it is still at 650-700 at 1000yds. |
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| Art--Yes those are quite efficient bullets, and low recoil doing it that way.Maybe after 550
gets going someone will make a super high B.C.
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| I wish all these "I'm immune to recoil" folks would show up at my camp...Very few do and then we chase hip shot buffalo in the high grass... Many can stand up at the range and shoot these big bores but then in the high grass or jesse when they have to bend double and poke the gun through a hole and shoot they absorb 200 pounds of free recoiling scope in the eye, and wallow in the muc trying to extract their thumb from their nose with great crys of pain and x rated language, even by todays standards, very crude. ![[Razz]](images/icons/tongue.gif) Needless to say the remaining trip, after that ass kicking, goes to hell in a handbasket with free flinching Willie shooting up the African veldt. However, if they are capable, more power to them, it's exhilerating to observe but the PH may get to play a lot more... It is amazing how many show up thinking they can shoot a 500 and cannot...Just passing this on as it can surely ruin a hunt, especially when they won't admit it...You feel for them when the best trophy walks off unscathed. |
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I wish all these "I'm immune to recoil" folks would show up at my camp...Very few do and then we chase hip shot buffalo in the high grass...
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Needless to say the remaining trip, after that ass kicking, goes to hell in a handbasket with free flinching Willie shooting up the African veldt.
However, if they are capable, more power to them, it's exhilerating to observe but the PH may get to play a lot more...
It is amazing how many show up thinking they can shoot a 500 and cannot...Just passing this on as it can surely ruin a hunt, especially when they won't admit it...You feel for them when the best trophy walks off unscathed.
Ray,
This is exactly why i built my 500, instead of a 585 nyati... Since I can't stand brakes, I could not build a sub-12 or 13 # nyati... (don't think i could carry mroe, all day) without a brake.. In fact, I went to the range with Richard and his 577 nitro... 14.5# 750gr at 2050-2060... and fliched like HELL on the second shot, again (sigh)
Since I can shoot a 416 (any but weatherby) like most folks shoot a 308... okay, 300 win.. I decided slightly more recoil is fine... and then wound up with a 10.5# jeffe... which is like 85-90% of the 577 in recoil due to weight.. but I can carry it all day.
I still haven't mastered the big sob... but I also keep shooting and trying... and NO, you can't talk me into shooting it of sandbags
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| There's also a big difference in percieved recoil between 'firing someone elses bigbore for kicks' and actually 'owning one yourself' Handling your own loses several levels of novelty when you are the one who spent x thousand dollars on it, had to get it shooting well from the bench and have to carry it and actually hit game with it. I'd say the difference between 'novelty recoil threshold' and 'pain in the ass recoil' to be around 25-30% ![[Wink]](images/icons/wink.gif) Karl. |
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| "immune to recoil" (ross seyfried) and "high recoil tolerance" are two different critters since recoil is a "personal" thing - some max out at 30 mags while others max out at 375 mags, etc. The point is, just because you don't <insert your preferred activity> doesn't mean that others can not enjoy <insert your preferred activity> - car racing, BORING TO SOME, while others really enjoy - chasing nasty critters through the thick gives some a real "buzz" while others will avoid - to each his own - Ray, get off your high horse BD |
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| I'll quote that one as well... quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
I wish all these "I'm immune to recoil" folks would show up at my camp...Very few do and then we chase hip shot buffalo in the high grass...
Many can stand up at the range and shoot these big bores but then in the high grass or jesse when they have to bend double and poke the gun through a hole and shoot they absorb 200 pounds of free recoiling scope in the eye...
I'll freely admit that the .375 H&H in a 10 pound rifle is as much fun as I want to have fully clothed. I can and have shot my Model 70 from sitting, kneeling and even prone with no ill effects. (I can do about four shots from prone, then I want to go shoot my .22 ![[Smile]](images/icons/smile.gif) )
Using the same strategy as those who hunt deer with .243's and elk with .270's, I'll stick with what I can accurately shoot and rely on good shot placement to get me by.
BTW - not saying some others truly can't handle the recoil. As Ray mentions, I'm one of those guys who can hit fist sized rocks at 100 yards with a .458 Magnum three times in a row - STANDING UP ON A NICE, PEACEFUL RANGE, but I'll be danged if I'd ever try to shoot one when from other than offhand. |
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| I recall shooting eleven vermin with my .585 Nyati over the cabin of the ute with rest with 650 gr woodleigh's doing 2400-2500 fps I hit 8 I think and I tell you what I had to have 4 panadol on returning to camp. So yeah there is a level of recoil that is beyond enjoyable, funny thing is it makes my .458 lott seem reasonable and my 30/06 feels like a rimfire. |
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Speaking of Big Bore Ruger #1 conversions I saw a 700H&H Ruger at Great Northern Guns in Anchorage.
Great thread folks!
Are you sure it was a 700 H&H and not a 577?
577 nitro is the biggest standard rimmed cartridge that you can fit into a ruger no. 1 without running into the sides of the action. SSK offers a 577 nitro necked out to .620, but that's it as far as wildcats.
If the rifle is really a 700 NE, I wonder how they fit it in. Perhaps they drilled out the barrel threads and made new ones, but I wonder how they widened the action.
Is it possible that the action was a Farquarson which a Ruger No. 1 resembles in some respects? |
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| 500,
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| PC, yes, it is my understanding that they can.
One of these days some Russian defense contractor is going to get the bright idea of making 4 bore and 8 bore side by side shotguns and importing them into the U.S. Then some American is going to get the idea of installing rifled barrels instead of the shotgun barrels and the 4 bore and 8 bore trade will be alive again for those with moderate means. 700 NE barrels could also be installed.
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| 500 due to having a .585 Nyati If I went bigger I would like to step up to a .700 cal, or .600. If I ever hit the jack pot with a big job or the lottery I intend to get a Searcy Double in .600 or .700 Nitro along with a practical double from him as well say a .500 or .470. I know the 700 is supposed to be a poor penetrator however but it would just be a hoot to have a double in .600 or .700 A nice 700 could be done on the Farq action all the same. I would also love to have a 4 bore and would actually love to have a 2 bore with metallic cartridges if at all possible !! (this will probably never happen ) I think there is a market for 2, 4, & 8 bores out there someone ought to start catering for it. |
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| Jeeze PC , a 2 bore. That would be wicked. I suppose the 585 Nyati,s are just not enough are they. Ive seen articles on the 4 bore, a 2 bore would be good to rock up to the range with. |
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| I know giles whittome makes a 4 bore falling block designed after a "henry harpoon". He has also made 1... 2bore falling block that uses metallic cases. If I was to BUY a 4 bore today id by giles. I have some good plans drawn up for a muzzle loader 4 bore, stock,lock,tang, just havent started and it looks like it might not be till next year. |
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| Smallfry--How much is one of Giles 4 bore falling
block actions?Just the action.Do you have a
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| Hubel458... I am not aware if he sells the actions alone, though it might be possable. I know completed rifles run around 15K. I have a picture, but it is at dads. It looks like a falling block, it does have a exposed hammer, which IMO is a plus on the safty side with a gun that recoils that heavy. ill look around for some more answers for you. |
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| Hubel458: I have an adress here, though I will have to check my records if he moved or not. you can reach him at G.H. Whittome 40 Doughty Street London England WC1N2LF TEL: 44-171-831-4170 FAX: 44-171-831-4099 Like I said, I am not 100% this is current, but give it a try. And tell him to send me a free 4 bore action because I am a poor student. ... I think he has action sizes like 10&12 bore, 8 bore, and 4 bore... the 2 bore might have its own action size also. These guns are "best quality". He also makes a falling block on a "shirley" action these are in any caliber I think and go upto 700 N.E. The shirley is probably the best designed falling block there is IMO. [ 11-08-2003, 07:40: Message edited by: smallfry ] |
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