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Decided to build a 416 and have a stainless Ruger 300 Win Mag and a Stainless Shilen barrel on order. But the question is, which 416 would work the best on the Ruger? Is the Taylor really dead since the 416 Rugger appeared? I value how the round will feed more than I would gaining that last 100 fps. Plan is to shoot either 350's or 400's out of it. Any and all suggests are appreciated. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | ||
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I fully understand the difference between "need" and "want".....but don't understand why you would not just buy a new 416 Ruger Alaskan for $800...  DRSS & Bolt Action Trash | |||
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Easy answer, Ruger chooses to ignore the needs of most of us lefties My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Ahh...the Southpaw thing..now I understand. I believe the 416 Ruger is the "death penalty" for the 416 Taylor ( expect for "Will"). From a practical standpoint that leaves you with a very good option...416 Remington. OR....get a LH 375 Ruger African and rebarrel/rebore to 416 Ruger. Good luck on your project DRSS & Bolt Action Trash | |||
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Well, as I said the rifle and barrel are already ordered. Trying to stay under $1k for the finished rifle and doing very well so far. $470 for the rifle and under $200 for the barrel. But how in the world can you get the 416 Rem into the standard length Ruger action? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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You open the action and use the Ruger factory 375H&H magazine box, spring and floorplate which are available as parts. But in all reality ... a 416Ruger will do it all without the need to open the box and will probably feed perfectly as well. Might just lose one round in capacity. Might... I'd also not hesitate to build a 416Taylor even though it wont be quite as fast. Cheers... Con | |||
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I would'nt say the Taylor is dead. Does a catridge really die? I suppose if you are refering to factory ammo and it's availability a catridge can "die" but the Taylor's components are readily available for reloading purposes and in my opinion will always be a viable option as long as you are a handloader. I lucked into my Taylor for and extremly good deal and have been happy since although I have only had limited shooting with it and am just now getting into loading for it. Now that I handload I almost never consider factory ammo options when I'm am thinking about my next rifle and for some reason I'm fascinated with oddball calibers that don't have much factory support but can still be hanloaded for fairly easily with readily available components like the Taylor and the .470 Capstick which I also hope to own someday. So if you handload flip a coin? If you don't, go with the Ruger. Just my .02... | |||
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The .416 Ruger makes sense. In other words, why use a wildcat with less horsepower when you have a factory cartridge? A shot not taken is always a miss | |||
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Any of the 416's are good, and awfully close together, here is my order of preference: 1) 416 Remington (this will probably be the best choice for your action, and the second cheapest to shoot for the non-handloader. Ammo is everywhere, and offers good versatility for those that handload.) 2) 416 Ruger (Good case life for the handloader, ammo not quite as available). 3) 416 Taylor. Good luck finding ammo, but you do have something unique. John | |||
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I was trying to build one without going through the pain of having the rear of the action opened up by a machinist. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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416 ruger is the very close SECOND easist, but best choice 416 rem is a good third sell it all and buy an rsm .. no, not a lefty 416 taylor/10,75x68 a distant third first? well, if you want the MAX performance, its the 416 AccRel, but with the ruger being factory, it obviates the 416 AccRel .. i'll keep mine, though! opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Southpaw to southpaw use the Ruger action/Douglas barrel and make a 416 Ruger "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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Dirk, I suspect you are right. Was your rifle a simple rebarrel? Any feeding issues with the 416 Ruger? It will still hold three down correct? My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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I love my Taylor. Less recoil than the Ruger and probably less feeding problems. You will need to reload for both as practice is important. I just built a .416 WSM for a friend that shoots MOA and gets 2300 f/s with 350 grain bullets and 2200 f/s with 400 grainers and no pressure signs. Plenty of gun and the lowest recoil of all .416. He loves it. CHD4 has the dies and I have the reamer and gauges......Tom SCI lifer NRA Patron DRSS DSC | |||
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Do complete rebarrel to keep the rifle well balanced (I like a shorter barrel 22 inches), with Ruger 375 action it holds three down, yours should hold three down I'm not 100% though. "An individual with experience is never at the mercies of an individual with an argument" | |||
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My 416 is a Remington 700 with a Shilen barrel. I don't have any complants about it. | |||
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I have a taylor on a MKII action I would not build another I would go with the 416 ruger instead. If I didn't have all the reloading stuff for my taylor I would have it rechambered into the Ruger. | |||
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A 416 Remington on a M77 MkII. I don't think so. Mine will hold three 416 Taylors (it is currently a 458 WM) not and those are tight, not sure if it would hold three 416 Rugers. | |||
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People keep mentioning feed problems...have there been a lot of reports of feeding problems, or is it the usual bash the new guy dreck? I mean, its not rebated, its not belted, how is it going to have more feeding problems thena belted cartridge? And its going to have the same capacity seeing as its outside diameter is the same as the belt on the Taylor. I say go factory, have the Ruger made. Its probably the best and cheapest option. If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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As it stands now I have a .416 Shilen stainless #5 on order for it and plans are to go with the 416 Ruger. Once the rifle comes in I plan to compare it against my 375 Ruger. Am betting they are the same action. The 375 I have feeds fine after tweaking the magazine spring. Betting the 416 feeds fine as well. My biggest fear is when I die my wife will sell my guns for what I told her they cost. | |||
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Milehigh, It's not so much a feeding problem, And I bet you its more a problem with rebarrelled rifles that aren't Ruger rifles. The Ruger case is WIDER at the shoulder, so firstly it fills a tappered magazine box differently, closer together at the shoulder and you generally loose one round. Secondly in some situations, with rebarreled guns that have slightly thinner magazine boxes, because the Ruger case shoulder is wider the round only just gets caught up by the feed rails under the action and I have seen it can on occation let a round go and pop a case out into the open action when the bolt is pulled back. Now if you have a loose case in the action and you chamber the one below it......you have a feed problem regards S&F | |||
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I have a .416 Taylor and enjoy it very much. If you reload you can take .338 Win. Mag brass or .458 Win Mag brass and turn it into .416 Taylor. There is plenty of .338 and .458 brass up here in AK to start reloading cheap. There is gun show coming up in Wasilla next week where you should be able to find brass easily. The Ruger brass will be hard to find and expensive. Loaded ammo will also be hard to find and expensive as well. | |||
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First off, welcome Alaska one!!! Second, Midway has both Ruger and Taylor in stock, the Ruger is half the price. They also have brass in stock for both, and again, the Ruger is half the price. I have seen Ruger ammo on the shelf before, I have never seen 416 Taylor anything....ammo, dies, brass, or dies. Just saying If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Oops almost forgot! The Taylor, while a great cartridge that SHOULD have been a factory cartridge years ago....suffered a fate almost worse then being a wildcat....it became an A-Square "factory" cartridge. Just about anything that A-Square has ever adopted ends up living its life in obscurity at best. The only case which one could make, is that Remington stepped on their toes and "renamed" the 6.5-08 A-Square the 260 Rem. And in putting Remington on anything besides a 7mm, thus, also aided in killing the cartridge lol If you think every possible niche has been filled already, thank a wildcatter! | |||
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Though I have built three 416 Taylors to get a DGR down to 7.5 pounds, it may make more sense to go 416 Ruger. But going Ruger doesn't necessarily guarantee a long and happy life. The 416 Remington is probably more popular for PH's in Africa than anything else but Rem. is apparently trying to kill it as brass is getting hard to find. As long as you can find 458 WM brass you can keep cranking out 416 Taylor brass. Something to be said for that as the 458 WM has been around for a long, long time and I suspect it probably will be still around in the distant future. And a 300 WM conversion to the same case of a 416 Taylor would be easy. The nice thing about the 375 H&H, the 416 Remington, and the 416 Taylor are that they are all skinny cartridges, with little shoulders, making them very amenable to easy feeding. If a DGR isn't a fast as you can go, slow, and everywhere in between reliable feeder, it is really just an over-priced fencepost. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Will, As long as 375 brass is available, I can keep cranking out 416Rem. cases too.  Also, 458 Lott brass will work nicely! | |||
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Will, if you need .416 Remington brass, let me know. I have a bunch (500 rounds) of 8mm Remington brass. I can sell you some if you want and you can neck it up and save your stuff with the right head stamp for when you travel. P.S. The 416 Rigby is the only "proper" .416  Dave DRSS Chapuis 9.3X74 Chapuis "Jungle" .375 FL Krieghoff 500/.416 NE Krieghoff 500 NE "Git as close as y can laddie an then git ten yards closer" "If the biggest, baddest animals on the planet are on the menu, and you'd rather pay a taxidermist than a mortician, consider the 500 NE as the last word in life insurance." Hornady Handbook of Cartridge Reloading (8th Edition). | |||
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I have noticed that, according to remington's web site, they aren't listing any rifles chambered in 416 Remington anymore. Kinda odd, maybe through there custom shop. John | |||
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True enough. Thanks. ------------------------------- Will Stewart / Once you've been amongst them, there is no such thing as too much gun. --------------------------------------- and, God Bless John Wayne. NRA Benefactor Member, GOA, N.A.G.R. _________________________ "Elephant and Elephant Guns" $99 shipped “Hunting Africa's Dangerous Game" $20 shipped. red.dirt.elephant@gmail.com _________________________ Hoping to wind up where elephant hunters go. | |||
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Yes indeed. Get the .416 Ruger Hawkeye stainless, 20" barrel, staraight factory rifle. All the metal there weighs 5.5 pounds. Put a 1-pound Brown Precision stock on it, and you have a 6.5 pound, open-sighted DGR, that duplicates classic .416 Rigby ballistics with factory ammo. Will's 7.5 pounder must include a scope and rings to be a full pound heavier with his CZ 550 Medium in .416 Taylor? Or is it that heavy McMillan stock? DRG says: "Kiss my Liberal Grits!"  | |||
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Go with a Ruger Ak in 416, you'll get what you want and be money ahead. **************** NRA Life Benefactor Member | |||
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I have a Remington 700 416 | |||
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. . . The Ruger case has a sharper shoulder and is a straighter case ... Great case design , but so is the 416 Taylor .. The Taylor feeds like a dream . I,ve had 2 of them and shot for my life with one , and it is a great round !!!!!!! the Ruger no doubt is great also , just young .. I like the Rem Mag the best , and there is a good chance I will have a Stainless Ruger opened up for the Rem Mag ..... I like it that much ..... Having traded my last 375 Ruger for a 243 .. I have been thinking I would prefer going back to the 416 , as the 375 Rugers havn,t killed anything for me .... Killed boat loads with the 416s .. I like the 416 better than the medium bores any way ...... I,ll get a 416 Ruger If i can swing one when I find one in Stainless w/ band swivel and express sights . And get a Lee factory crimp die for it ..... I HATE roll crimping ..... .If it can,t be grown , its gotta be mined .... | |||
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Mr Gumboot speaks from experience, the place you go to for wisdom. Winchester 458 brass converted to 416 Taylor has the largest capacity by about two grains. It forms perfectly. Remington produces 416 Remington brass once a year or two. Keep looking until it comes around again, then buy a box of 500. It is not expensive. The Lee Factory Crimp Die, along with velcro, the thermos and duct tape is one of the four pillars holding up Western Civilization. LD  | |||
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