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Originally posted by Sevens:
I took my CZ to the range the other day and did a little buffalo charge practice. Well, the buffalo won. I like 2-positions safeties (that's what I'm familiar with) and in my haste to get in round two I must have bumped the safety back because it had engaged. No big deal at the range, but not something I would like to experience during a charge.

I remember seeing some time back a modification one could do to the standard 2-position safety on the CZ550 that would cause the safety to disengage every time the bolt is closed. I tried searching for the modification, but couldn't find it. Anyone have pictures of the modification?

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Originally posted by Sevens:
Thanks Will, that's what I was looking for!

Charles, Wayne at AHR has actually done a fair bit of work to the rifle. The safety we elected not to touch since all my other rifles carry the Remington 700/CZ550 style safety. A DG rifle seems like a foolish place to start messing with muscle memory. Just my opinion.

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Originally posted by Sevens:
Thanks Will, that's what I was looking for!

Charles, Wayne at AHR has actually done a fair bit of work to the rifle. The safety we elected not to touch since all my other rifles carry the Remington 700/CZ550 style safety. A DG rifle seems like a foolish place to start messing with muscle memory. Just my opinion.

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In my thinking, a person who can't learn to use a safety probably hasn't taken it upon himself to become adequately familiar, if not master, his firearm, and is rationalizing and making excuses. Also, IMO anyone who accepts a Remington safety as adequate is in that catagory.

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Originally posted by Sevens:
I took my CZ to the range the other day and did a little buffalo charge practice. Well, the buffalo won.

in my haste to get in round two I must have bumped the safety back because it had engaged.

I just happened to master the 2-position safety since that's what mine had. I've since acquired two more rifles (one being the CZ, the other a 1917 Enfield). They too have the 2-position safety I have "mastered."

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Charles, the safety on the CZ does not allow for the bolt to be worked while in the "safe" mode.


Alan

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Originally posted by Kabluewy:

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Originally posted by Sevens:
I took my CZ to the range the other day and did a little buffalo charge practice. Well, the buffalo won.

in my haste to get in round two I must have bumped the safety back because it had engaged.

I just happened to master the 2-position safety since that's what mine had. I've since acquired two more rifles (one being the CZ, the other a 1917 Enfield). They too have the 2-position safety I have "mastered."

Uh Huh, I see. Now I understand. Great, I'm glad that's working for ya.

KB

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Originally posted by Charles_Helm:

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Charles, the safety on the CZ does not allow for the bolt to be worked while in the "safe" mode.

Alan

I prefer that to the other way, where the bolt can lift when on safe, although it seems some products liability experts disagree.

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Originally posted by Sevens:

KB,

Pretty much everyone here agrees a DG rifle needs to be tweaked so that it functions flawlessly and then be thoroughly tested afterward.

I also agree with the above statment, but I include all my rifles within that statment, whether DG or not, but I can see how it would especially apply to DG rifles.


Wayne at AHR has worked the rifle over so it feeds great, but, as Will pointed out above and I found first hand, the standard CZ safety can have an issue. There is a simple modification to fix this (which I'll do) ...

I tested the "issue" that you are discussing here, on my CZ 550s medium actions, both 3-position and 2-position. I have one action yet that hasn't been converted. I see what you mean. I intentionally put the safety back into the safe position while the bolt was open and back, then closed the bolt. The safety in each moved forward a little, which is enough the allow the bolt to be opened/worked, but it would not fire, unless I pushed the safety forward again. In the situation you described, bumping the safety into the on position when the bolt is open, I can see how it would be beneficial to have the safety go back in the off position as the bolt is closed.

I also worked the bolt vigirously and clumsily, and I couldn't unintentionally make the safety move to the safe position. The safety lever seemed well out of the way to me. It seems to me that it would be a very odd and rare occurance for me to have the same problem that you're having. If it is likely to happen, it's probably best to just fix it. Because of this thing you described, I can see the reason for a 2-position safety on a CZ DG rifle, as long as it locks the bolt down when on safe.

However, I don't plan to "fix" my CZs in the way described here, because I'm not having the "issue" you described, and I value the three-position safety more that solving a problem that doesn't exist for me.

let us think of this as a way to become adequately familiar with, or "master," my rifle.

That's one way to look at it. As I stated, the way I look at it is that you are modifying the rifle to accomodate something you are doing that isn't quite right. Something you picked up, and believe you can't re-learn. That's my opinion, and of course I could be wrong. Maybe you have some physical handicap issue with your arm, hand or something like that which you can't help.

The issue of me liking the two position safety over the 3 position has nothing to do with which one I think is better, it's all based upon my muscle memory. (I honestly don't care how many positions the safety has as long as it stops the rifle from firing when in "safe.)" I've always hunted with 2-position safety rifles, my thumb knows where that safety is and how to flick it off when I'm ready to fire.

With me, the issue of 2 vs 3 position has everything to do with which one I think is better. By now, it's obvious which one I prefer. Also, to me it's not just so long as it stops the rifle from firing when on "safe", but it's about locking the bolt down, and also allowing the bolt to be worked while still on safe. To me one of the main reasons the so-called Remington DG rifle is an oxymoron is because you could find the bolt wide open, and one or more cartridges lost when you get ready to shoot.

If a lion/buffalo/hippo/etc. were to pop out of the bushes in front of me at full charge, I'll probably be run over if I have a 3-position safety because my thumb is not going to find it in time.

I can see some logic in what you say, but I can't translate that to my experience. If a safety is in the same place, whether 2 or 3 position, I honestly can not believe that one's thumb is not going to find it in time, simply because one is 2 position and the other is 3 position.

2-position vs. 3-position is all personal preference. As long as it works, what's the big deal?

Yes, it's personal preference, and also it's important that it works for you, whatever the combo of factors that have to be taken into account, even if it is bad habits and rationalizations. I can surely see your concern about getting fumbled up with an unfamiliar safety, in a close situation with a critter that wants to mess you up. Many times I've been in the thick stuff, where I couldn't see 10 feet either way, knowing a brown bear is close by. I've had my (sweaty) hand on the pistol grip, and let my thumb remind itself where the safety is on that particular rifle many times. In times like that, the feel of the safety is fresh, and I know exactly what it feels like when it off - all the way off. I'm relatively sure that there are very few who don't have a bad shooting or gun handling habit or two, and I'm certain I have some bad habits too. To me, adjusting to different kinds of safeties isn't too big of a deal. Heck, I would be more likely to forget to put a cartridge in the chamber than get fumbled up with the safety. However, when I'm anywhere near a brown bear, I want my familiar three-position safety. Now that I'm getting more familiar with them, I actually like the CZ factory 3-position better than the Winchester style. I can get to it quicker. My 458 is a Ruger 3-position, and it causes me no problem and little concern, even though it isn't nearly as handy as the CZ safety.

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All my rifles, except those with two-position safties, allow the bolt to be worked/lifted while still on safe - in the middle position. That's the point of the three positions. Of course the other "safe" position is to lock the bolt down as well.

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Originally posted by chuck375:
I had Wayne at AHR put a 3 pos M70 type safety on my CZ 550. I like it a lot!

I really like being able to cycle through rounds with the safety on.

Regards,

Chuck

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I also worked the bolt vigirously and clumsily, and I couldn't unintentionally make the safety move to the safe position. The safety lever seemed well out of the way to me. It seems to me that it would be a very odd and rare occurance for me to have the same problem that you're having. If it is likely to happen, it's probably best to just fix it. Because of this thing you described, I can see the reason for a 2-position safety on a CZ DG rifle, as long as it locks the bolt down when on safe.

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However, I don't plan to "fix" my CZs in the way described here, because I'm not having the "issue" you described, and I value the three-position safety more that solving a problem that doesn't exist for me

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As I stated, the way I look at it is that you are modifying the rifle to accomodate something you are doing that isn't quite right. Something you picked up, and believe you can't re-learn. That's my opinion, and of course I could be wrong. Maybe you have some physical handicap issue with your arm, hand or something like that which you can't help.

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I actually like the CZ factory 3-position better than the Winchester style. I can get to it quicker. My 458 is a Ruger 3-position, and it causes me no problem and little concern, even though it isn't nearly as handy as the CZ safety.

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Originally posted by Sevens:
a modification one could do to the standard 2-position safety on the CZ550 that would cause the safety to disengage every time the bolt is closed.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Sevens:
a modification one could do to the standard 2-position safety on the CZ550 that would cause the safety to disengage every time the bolt is closed.

Alan,
what you asked for was a way for the safety to disengage when AS the bolt was IS closed, (assuming disengaged to begin with) rather than prevent from engaging when the bolt was is already closed

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You or the 'smith can modify it [the safety] so it goes off when you close the bolt in the case it accidentally goes on when pulling the bolt back.

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Originally posted by RIP:
I have yet to have a problem with any of my CZ safeties, standard factory side safety, either 2-pos. or 3-pos.

The bassackward BRN0 ZKK 602 indeed begs to be fixed.
I only had to do that once, and my gunsmith used a Wisner made safety for that,
over a decade ago.

Here, on a 500 Mbogo CZ 550 Magnum, is the Ed LaPour version, very nice, but requires a competent gunsmith to install it:

www.edlapourgunsmithing.com

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Originally posted by Sevens:
I took my CZ to the range the other day and did a little buffalo charge practice. Well, the buffalo won. I like 2-positions safeties (that's what I'm familiar with) and in my haste to get in round two I must have bumped the safety back because it had engaged. No big deal at the range, but not something I would like to experience during a charge.

I remember seeing some time back a modification one could do to the standard 2-position safety on the CZ550 that would cause the safety to disengage every time the bolt is closed. I tried searching for the modification, but couldn't find it. Anyone have pictures of the modification?

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Originally posted by Paolo9,5x73:
... when one considers how little space there is between the bolt handle and the ocular of that scope. Very close fit indeed.

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