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30 October 2006, 04:34
jeffeosso
inadequate penetration
This bullet seems to have detonated on impact... Wonder if it's a twist issue?

********** watch the white DOT ***********

WARNING - 3.1meg video of poor bullet performance


What's the twist on that one, george?

I can see the advert right now...

"for sale"
Slightly used Boar Hide
Air Dried
Can be seen exiting frame left!!



jeffe


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
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30 October 2006, 05:04
500grains
Jeff, I take it from your silence on the 500 A2 thread that you do not want to participate in a penetration test of fast twist versus slow twist barrels.
30 October 2006, 08:32
smallfry
jeffe... What exactly are we looking at?


I am back from a long Hiatus... or whatever.
Take care.
smallfry
30 October 2006, 09:42
GeorgeS
Jeffe,
I just got home. Both airports were an absolute madhouse.

Thanks for a great time; try to have some bigger rifles next time. Those .458 Lott, .470AR, and .550 Magnum peashooters didn't even give me a nosebleed. Big Grin


Smallfry,
If I remember correctly (all the way back to yesterday), that's a Sierra MatchKing from a 1-10" twist barrel. dancing

Penetration from 25yds. was about 1" before the bullet (and test media) 'came apart'. lol

George


30 October 2006, 10:26
Robgunbuilder
Yes- the penetration of the 1:10 twist barrel was indeed very poor with the 300 gr bullet. Pathetic in fact!-Rob


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012
Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise!
30 October 2006, 11:00
RIP
Quit being so pathetically cryptic. What bullet? What rifle? 10" twisted GSC FN's or North Fork FP's of .375/300gr to .510/570gr at velocities of 2100 to 2700 fps will penetrate as well or better than anything.

That 10" twist lets one use a greater variety of bullets of all makes (for their proper uses)and costs less than 1% in velocity or less than 1% in pressure, and less than 0.1 MOA.

Those are the facts. No obfuscations will change them.

Get real. animal
30 October 2006, 11:27
Grandpasez
The Kids real gun penetrated fine and his twist is only 1 to 48 I think.Ed.


MZEE WA SIKU
30 October 2006, 11:44
Gerard
What software ar you guys using to view the video? Windows XP wants me to download an Apple program to view it??
30 October 2006, 12:14
Tailgunner
Gerard
There using "Quicktime" which is a one of the standard formats for video. Yes, it's a Apple product
30 October 2006, 16:28
JMJ888
Jeffe,

Looks like you and the boys had a "blast"...pun intended.

Sorry I missed it.
30 October 2006, 16:35
jeffeosso
Dan,
I left wednesday morning with quite a few guys (Rob, Neal, George, Mike D, Tigger, Gringo, FLA30-06) to go hunting for the week.... I'll get back with you n the barrel

All,
George will tell his tale!

jeffe


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
30 October 2006, 18:22
packrattusnongratus
And the story is???
30 October 2006, 18:41
fla3006
Jeffe, as always, I had a super time. Fine camaraderie with kindred spirits! Special thanks to George, Neal, Mike, Rob who went great lengths.


NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS.
Shoot & hunt with vintage classics.
30 October 2006, 18:55
Idaho Sharpshooter
I can't believe you didn't mail my invitation out in time!! OF course, you knew I was working on the deal to get those M30's and P17's. Call me on my cell when you get a chance today.

Rich
30 October 2006, 19:18
Gringo Cazador
I think the pig hide flying through the air had a 1-10 twist...........one twist in 100 ft, but quite stable for a pig hide none the less.


Billy,

High in the shoulder

(we band of bubbas)
30 October 2006, 19:42
500grains
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Dan,
I left wednesday morning with quite a few guys (Rob, Neal, George, Mike D, Tigger, Gringo, FLA30-06) to go hunting for the week.... I'll get back with you n the barrel


I did ask you several times, including before you left, but did not see any response. Usually a lack of response means no.
31 October 2006, 05:13
Robgunbuilder
All Bubbas have taken the sacred oath to never never use a 1:10 twist barrel in any caliber above .22 LR due to the INFERIOR performance witnessed by all on Saturday. Our conclusion, despite the protestations of the un-initiated and I should add un-tested wanna-be's is that the 1:10 twist with a 300 gr bullet provides INFERIOR results on real game animals. Case Closed!-Rob clap


Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large numbers to do incredibly stupid things- AH (1941)- Harry Reid (aka Smeagle) 2012
Nothing Up my sleeves but never without a plan and never ever without a surprise!
31 October 2006, 07:36
JKS
C'mon guys, tell us the whole story, with details! Are we looking at a small hog hit with a BIG round??? The results are like my Lott on a rockchuck Eeker

John


There are those that do, those that dream, and those that only read about it and then post their "expertise" on AR!
31 October 2006, 08:28
jnc91
Looks like someone has been playing with a little tannerite lol stir clap


The true measure of a hunters skill is not the size of the trophy but rather the length of the shot with the greater measure of skill being the shorter shot---Jeff Cooper
31 October 2006, 11:02
Hog Killer
quote:
Originally posted by jnc91:
Looks like someone has been playing with a little tannerite lol stir clap


cheers Give that man a Cigggar
31 October 2006, 20:18
GeorgeS
Hog Killer,

You missed a great time!

George


31 October 2006, 21:02
Hog Killer
George, as things turned out, I had to be here Friday and Saturday. Had to serve as a pallbearer on Sat.

I am SURE y'all had a blast.

Hog Killer


IGNORE YOUR RIGHTS AND THEY'LL GO AWAY!!!
------------------------------------
We Band of Bubbas & STC Hunting Club, The Whomper Club
31 October 2006, 22:15
JKS
Ahhh, I get it now..."explosive expansion"! clap


There are those that do, those that dream, and those that only read about it and then post their "expertise" on AR!
01 November 2006, 04:45
.366torque
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
This bullet seems to have detonated on impact... Wonder if it's a twist issue?

********** watch the white DOT ***********

WARNING - 3.1meg video of poor bullet performance


What's the twist on that one, george?

I can see the advert right now...

"for sale"
Slightly used Boar Hide
Air Dried
Can be seen exiting frame left!!



jeffe


WTF!!! WWHHHHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOEEEEEEE!!!! Real fun in the South! cheers
01 November 2006, 05:51
Canuck
Some buddy wanna tell the story already?

BOOM



01 November 2006, 16:49
jeffeosso
Chris,
I was waiting for everyone to tell their stories... I'll lay out the outline about 9:30 central.. gotta scoot right now

jeffe


opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club

Information on Ammoguide about
the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR
What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR.
476AR,
http://www.weaponsmith.com
01 November 2006, 17:01
El Deguello
Cool movie-but it tells one absolutely nothing......


"Bitte, trinks du nicht das Wasser. Dahin haben die Kuhen gesheissen."
02 November 2006, 07:09
.366torque
quote:
Originally posted by Canuck:
Some buddy wanna tell the story already?

BOOM


Nice update to your photos Chris!!! cheers
02 November 2006, 19:29
.366torque
quote:
Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Chris,
I was waiting for everyone to tell their stories... I'll lay out the outline about 9:30 central.. gotta scoot right now

jeffe



Time's up!!! Big Grin