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The rifle in JTG's post (according to the site on which it's being advertised) is a "Presidential Grade" .375H&H Flanged made in 2000. $29,999. Here are some other photos:   George  | |||
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Engraveing?????? You wont even find Purdey's name engraved on a $30,000 double rifle, a new one anyway!  ....Mac >>>===(x)===> MacD37, ...and DUGABOY1 DRSS Charter member "If I die today, I've had a life well spent, for I've been to see the Elephant, and smelled the smoke of Africa!"~ME 1982 Hands of Old Elmer Keith  | |||
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Thanks Alf, I like it.  | |||
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I find myself imagining how many elephants I could hunt for the cost of those Fabri rifles.  | |||
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I imagine that the client list for these sorts of rifles is a short one. Even for the big Italian and English shops. Engraving prices for this type of work is staggering to say the least. Even most of the very well off gun afficinados ponder the same question as Dan. What else could I be doing with the same amount of money. Practicality...the bane of engravers. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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That engraving on the gun is question looks like the work was done in the Phillipines!  | |||
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Is there a problem growing hair in the Phillipines? gunmaker  | |||
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 -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
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Looks like the Boss was commisioned by Larry Flynt | |||
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Plus, the Bosis is poor quality work. The Torcoli engraving in the previous photos are well done and classy. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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The Bosis "engraving" would be more appropriate on a Weatherby Mark V Custom Shop job, especially a Dangerous Game version with glossy blue and shiney stock, and fingernail polish. Delivery by UPS-Yours, the UPS division with a fleet of pink 1960's Cadillacs driven by pimps, of course. Mike378 take note. | |||
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Surely someone is going to come up with a quip about "A bird in the hand is worth two in the bush."  Regards, Terry  Msasi haogopi mwiba [A hunter is not afraid of thorns] | |||
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No, no I don't think so.  I don't see any bush.  | |||
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IMHO naked ladys belong in bed not on a gun. 465H&H | |||
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Roger does really nice work, especially good on scroll as his moniker implies, the floorplate is exceptional. NRA Life Member, Band of Bubbas Charter Member, PGCA, DRSS. Shoot & hunt with vintage classics. | |||
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I had custody of a perfectly elegant 303 Farquharson by Gibbs for a few months. The lines of the stock and action were perfect, as was the light scrollwork around the edges of the metal. That and the engraving of the Gibbs name and address really lent an elegant air to the rifle. In my opinion, anything more usually detracts from the effect rather than enhancing it. I think we all have our own idea of the ideal lion or elephant or buff, and the engraver rarely if ever gets it right. Winston Churchill could get pretty close, maybe, but very few others. Okie John "The 30-06 works. Period." --Finn Aagaard | |||
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okie john, The basic principle of engraving is to break up the broad expanse of open metal on the piece. Some like it broken up a little. Some like it broken up a lot. Unfortunately for engravers, some like it broken up...not at all. Roger Kehr Kehr Engraving Company (360)456-0831 | |||
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Gentleman! whats the problem with no hair? thats a GOOD THING!! the engraving by Bosis might not be to your liking, however, the mans talent is hardly suspect. looks better than the 'junk' that was originally posted on this thread. | |||
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Gentleman! whats the problem with no hair? thats a GOOD THING!! Yes it sure is!!!!! ______________________ Age and Treachery Will Always Overcome Youth and Skill | |||
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I've shopped at stores named Piggly Wiggly and Hinky Dinky. If I owned this gun I think I'd have to name it Stinky Winky! gunmaker  | |||
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Have Fabbri started making rifles? Some years ago when I had some contact with the company they were only making U/O shotguns, albeit the best shotguns in the world. For engraving, Christopher Austyn's Modern Firearms Engraving is a nice book. Tom Turpin also brought out a very nice book some years ago. But the best in my opinion is Mario Abbiatico's rare Grand Incisioni su Armi di Oggi of which Oldsarge has a copy. Since the book has been out of print for many years, copies that are available are expensive. My personal library is in India and I have some very nice plates of engraving by the Hunts, Manrico Torcoli, Raschid El Hadi, Rachel Wells and some others. I am not familiar with the latest in books on engraving but Ken Trotman Arms books or the Internet Gun Club may be able to get you what you need to discuss the work that you are planning for your future rifle. Best wishesand good hunting! Mehul Kamdar "I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people. To disarm the people is the best and most effectual way to enslave them."-- Patrick Henry | |||
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You take those guns in the field & you won't see ANY game! You'll spend all your time looking at that engraving!. I wonder who the engraver used as his model? | |||
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Artemis was the Greek goddess of the hunt. She and her maidens often frolicked (not enough frolicking nowadays) in the woods nude or semi-dressed. But for a man to come across them in the forest was almost certain death. Maybe these engravings are inspired in a classical way. | |||
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My thoughts on these rifles why would I spend a lot of money on a rifle that my wife or daughter would put out in the rubbish bin the first time they radared on it? The first is on the edge better done and it might fly under the radar, the second would would be a goner, I can just see my sixteen year old son getting busted by his Mom, cause he was eyeballing a rifle.  Next stop would be me..NahhhhI am not a full cover engraving fan, English scroll is more my style. Never the less I like this a lot better, maybe a little over the top but I like this a lot better:  OBTW, thats a Dumoulin 375 H&H | |||
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Except that the cat looks like a leopard with Vincent Price's face! "Experience" is the only class you take where the exam comes before the lesson. | |||
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I wouldn't even consider buying this rifle, its way above my pay grade for sure. If I won the lotto I would custom order without any animals people, birds or dogs more like this: http://www.dumoulin-herstal.com/images/gallery/gal4.htm OR http://www.dumoulin-herstal.com/images/gallery/gal22.htm Ok that isn't going to work, I will leave the links but pics aren't going to work | |||
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Well if money is no object, I would get a nickel-plated Remington 870 riot gun with an engraving of Jesse Jackson in handcuffs on it. Then I would present the gun as a gift to the firearms museum in Cody, Wyoming so that all members of the public could enjoy it. ____ Here is some engraving of animals that did not make the grade:    | |||
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500grains, Like I said even the best animals don't do much for me, but that looks like the lion from the Wizard of OZ. Did anyboby but me ever look at WInchester's Engraving, even old school stuff, I don't like any of it. Marlin when they had a custom shop did much nicer stuff in my opinion. | |||
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While on this subject, anybody taken a close look at a Sako, goofy looking mooses, antelope, all out of comic books applied with a glue bottle.........  I always wondered why they even bothered. | |||
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You can get really beautiful engraving for about $5,000. The best idea is to visit the Reno guild show and talk to the engravers. They vary tremendously in price. Butch's guns would be a bit more expensive as they are very hard metal. The easiest way to engrave these is with 400,000 rpm dental air tools. A new bearing system is needed for each gun. A few years ago, H&H had a decently engraved double rifle at the Vegas show for $200,000. Weatherby engraving is the world's worst. Their engraver told anyone who would listen that he wanted to be the world's RICHEST engraver, not the World's best. The Italian picture engraving is technically magnificent. However, it sometimes lacks in artistry. The reason is that there may be up to 5 engravers on each gun. One may do scroll, one humans, one background trees/grass, one animals. The result of so many artists (even great ones) on one subject gun is that the artistry of the whole scene coming together is lost. We should not speak too harshly about subject matter because that way likely the owner's desire rather than the engraver's or manufacturer's. Look at a Double Gun Journal for some really expensive but trashy engraving. Some never learn that only a true master can made gold work look good on a gun. Purdey has done some really ugly engraving with multicolored birds, etc in American style engraving. Not only do the colors not work, but the scenes do not come together in the gun. This even though technically they are excellent. They should stick to rose & scroll. Some use gold wash and it is almost always trashy looking. Some can really make gold look great. When I ordered from Butch, I disliked his PH engraving, but with a small upgrade in quality, it became quite adequate. The secret is to tell Butch (or whoever) your desires about engraving, wood, or whatever. That way, you will be happy with the final product. And that is what you want. PS, I also really dislike the new Rigby engraving. | |||
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On NE.com Butch says that you have to use one of his engravers if you don't want to pay for the rifle up front. That seems reasonable as you never know who or what a customer might want, only to be disatisfied and refuse to pay when the rifle is ready. I would like to see some $5k, full coverage engraving that looked good. I agree with Thumper that the Italians are technically very good but they seem to be copiers rather than artists. Much like some painters who can paint a picture that looks exactly like a photograph. Engraving must have some soul to be an addition. | |||
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Stinky Winky HA! funny stuffI told him I wanted a cat and this is what I got. Terry -------------------------------------------- Well, other than that Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play? | |||
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they could have moved things around a bit and hid the screw slots even better. | |||
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I guess that re-defines the term "box lock double" or "head space". | |||
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____________________________________________ Did I mention, "I REALLY LIKE GUNS"? "...I don't care what you decide or how much you pay for it..." Former FFL Dealer NAHC Life Member NRA Endowment/Life Member Remington Society of America Member Hunter in Training | |||
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I have seen some excellent bulino work and that bosis gun does not even come close to making the grade and not from the subject matter but from execution. Scrollcutter does some of the best I have ever seen. and his animals are as good as his scroll work. | |||
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