I want to get one or two 416Rem rifles to use as PH backup firearms. What makes/option are available in the USA and at what price? The only real requirement is a heavy duty claw-type extractor.

Any ideas?

I bought mine used for 825.00. I don't know what
Rem is asking for them.

With your requirements, I think you're only option for a factory rifle right now is to look for used Win M70 Classics in 416. Not sure how many were made, but they're around. CZ is supposed to offer it this year, but from what I gathered in the ad, it is going to be in the Safari Classics line, which means 2300$

The Remingtons are a little light on the extractor - hence my remark. Thanks for the feedback!

Johan

Go over to gunbroker.com and have a look around. Search Winchester 70 416. There is usually a few around. It will give you some price options, some of those guys are dealers too so they could help you if you find one.

Michael

Bahati,

why not write a check for $1700 and buy two CZ 550 Magnums in 416 Rigby? The Rigby operates at several-thousand PSI lower pressure, and the heat I saw last month in Zim convinced me that is the best deal. In the quantities a PH would use for backing a client's play is just a couple boxes a year.

Rich
I've been to Africa and I have seen the Elephant, heard a Leopard cough at my tent door, and I have taken a Cape Buffalo with my own loads.

This one sold for $1500.

I got mine for a bit less. At one time you saw them pushing $2000 but hopefully that is past.

If you could solve the ammo issue you could get the new 416 Ruger for less. There is alsa the CZ in 416 Rigby, but you wanted the Remington.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Bahati,

why not write a check for $1700 and buy two CZ 550 Magnums in 416 Rigby? The Rigby operates at several-thousand PSI lower pressure, and the heat I saw last month in Zim convinced me that is the best deal. In the quantities a PH would use for backing a client's play is just a couple boxes a year.

+1

Charles brings up a great point! The 416 Ruger IS hitting the streets now, and has comparable performance to the Rem Mag. You can probably pick up 2 Ruger Hawkeyes for less then the CZ's and ammo should be cheaper. If you're coming here to the states for a convention and plan to pick these up, you can at least grab the alloted amount of ammo for now, correct? There has to be a way to get some shipped to you as well.

quote:

Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Bahati,

why not write a check for $1700 and buy two CZ 550 Magnums in 416 Rigby? The Rigby operates at several-thousand PSI lower pressure, and the heat I saw last month in Zim convinced me that is the best deal. In the quantities a PH would use for backing a client's play is just a couple boxes a year.

Rich
I've been to Africa and I have seen the Elephant, heard a Leopard cough at my tent door, and I have taken a Cape Buffalo with my own loads.

+2

Just got back from the Dallas safari Club Show. I was in the Kimber booth and asked them if they intended on offering the Talketna (stainless 375) in a 416 Rem and they said no but the Caprivi would be available in the 416 Rem by mid year.
They had a 458 Lott Caprivi and boy was it light; OUCH!

Johan, Finding a new factory 416 Rem to your specs - ie claw extractor and reliable will be tough. If you attend the SCI show I to would suggest you take a close look at the new 416 Ruger. It will duplicate the Rem and Rigby in a shorter case. Ammo will be problematic in Mozi for a while but I'm sure clients can bring you some.

A mod70 Winchester with a properly prepared stock would be my choice.

Get any Winchester classic in 7mm STW or 300 Weatherby. Both are common. Put on a decent barrel and a McMillan stock.

I also have a Sako Model V in 416 Rem Mag from 1990. It has never missed a lick, and shoots cloverleafs at 100 meters. Great sights as well.

The only problem with the 416 Ruger is that you are stuck with Hornady ammunition to make it work out of a 20" - 22" barrel. Leave the solids alone, but pull the softs and substitute a 400 grain Swift.

Johan

Again a Win M70 would most desirable chambered in 416 Remington. Being in Africa I would think that some of the other cartridges might be a bit difficult to come across, in particular for now the 416 Ruger. I have been seeing Win M70s on gunbroker going from anywhere in the $1200 low end up to $2000 for the last year or so, most likely going to be in the $1500-$1800 range--IF YOU CAN FIND ONE!!!!!! They are not on there all the time, in fact I looked yesterday and there was ZERO there.

lawndart brings up an excellent point--there are plenty of winchester M70s out there suitable for conversion to 416 Remington. These rifles can be bought anywhere from around $750 plus depending on the model. Correct me guys, but I think with a magazine box change (cheap) that any 300 Winchester would work fine. At SSk this conversion would cost around $1000 plus depending on what you wanted and added to the rifle. Food for thought I think.

Michael

real new and factory choices, that you can buy 2 and go are
cz in 416 rigby
montana in 416 rem
ruger rsm in 416 rigby
ruger in 416 ruger

there are off the sheld items, except the montana, but that can be built in days, not years

since I am known as a simple and practical person, my advice always has been simple, for a true working rifle

get a lott
If you need lighter recoil, shoot winmags in it

jeffe

Thanks for the replies, everyone!

Can anyone post a picture of the claw/extractor end of the bolt of any of these makes - real close up? Winchester/CZ/etc.

A Remington 700 - picture as well. Anyone?

For the sake of cutting down the discussion - it's got to be 416 Rem, as we use them already. And besides, that what the guys want. Who am I to argue?!

Johan
the CZ and m70 and montana (which is a clone of the m70) are basically mauser in function.. the ruger is slightly different, but is "mauser" in appearence.. not small hooks


the reason i present the other options is, well, you will have to go high dollar or rebarrel/build to get a 416 rem ... but a montana with a 416 rem isn't a bad deal

Don't know if I posted this forsale sign in the right thread spot, if not please forgive me:

Since I recently purchased a Searcy 470 and have a 416 Ruger on the way, I'm toying with selling my Custom Hill Country 416 Rem, built on a Mod 70 action. Has Sunny Hill dropped magwell holding 5 in the mag and 1 up the spout. Express sights, synthetic stock and extras incl 250-300 plus rounds of prem ammo.

(I have never had a problem with any of my custom Mod 70's. They have all been extremely reliable.)

I have not decided on price but will have it at SCI Reno. My Booth 4006.

Cell 253-318-0899

Cheers!

Tim Wegner
Founder Executive Director
Blade-tech Industries Inc.

Stear clear of Mod 70-had one in 416Rem-good cartridge but rifle POS-see my many numerous posts on the problems.
I will say the 416 Rigby in a CZ I replaced it with is a good rifle after a little bit of work.
They were?are? available in 416 Rem as well.

wombat

I've not followed your problems. Can you give a quick summary please? I've always liked the Mod 70's so I'd really like to know what grief you had.

It could maybe be an option to modify the bolt on a rem 700 with a sako type extractor

Here's one.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/992...EM_SUPER_EXPRESS.htm

Some may have a junk Mod 70, but I have one and it works just fine.

For me it says Winchester on it or it stays at home! I have close to 100 Winchester M70s and I never had an issue, certainly never heard of one being a POS???? There are several good rifles out there, and I am not slamming anything as a POS. In 416 Remington I have 3 currently and they are all 110%. For me, Winchester or nothing.
Michael

Until Winchester brings back the .416 Rem. Mag. in the Model 70 (and we don't know when that will be, if it ever happens at all), I think that your best options would be:

1. The used market for a couple of same.

2. Conversion of a couple of CZ 550 Magnums, by rebarreling, from .375 H&H Mag. to .416 Rem. Mag.

I think option one (i.e., finding a couple of used Winchesters) would be easier and more preferable.

I swear the manual that came with my CZ550 Magnum listed 416Rem as an available chambering. Have you considered asking CZ-USA whether they can supply them?
Cheers...
Con

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Originally posted by rcasto:
Here's one.

http://www.gunsamerica.com/992...EM_SUPER_EXPRESS.htm

Some may have a junk Mod 70, but I have one and it works just fine.

There is a Super Express which is push feed, and a Classic Super Express which has the claw extractor and is CRF. I did not see where the ad specifies.

If you're looking at used rifles, keep any in .416 Hoffman in mind. I had a hoffman built on a model 70 action shortly before Remington announced their .416 offering, and it'll shoot the remington case alright. Once fire formed, you've got cases for your hoffman that you can then reload.

You'll get slightly better ballistics with the Hoffman chambering, as I get 2510 fps out of mine with a 400 grain trophy bonded bullet over 81.5 grains of RL15.

CZ is advertising their 550 magnum in 416 Rem and that is a well respected, relatively inexpensive and available rifle in most of Africa.

Johan- just for the record- my Win Model 70 Safari Express in 416 Rem is my favorite rifle. Never a problem, and my Tanzanian PH offered to buy it. He said it was the best feeding rifle he'd felt. If you can find a used one, I think you'd be happy. BN

Johan,

A fairly simple solution would be to purchase a Remington 798 (not the 700), in 375 H&H.

This is the Mauser/Zastava action, already opened up to the correct length.
They are $750 USD on Gunbroker.com.

A new barrel will cost you about $250 to $300 with chamber cut at I.T.&D Custom Guns

New iron sights will cost whatever you want to spend on them (cheap or expensive).

You should be up and running for about $1,200 USD, and you'll have CRF and a very well made barrel as well.

Garrett

Gi has a montana 1999 he likes a lot that shoots like a house afire.

I took a 375 witworth and made it a 416 rem.

JD