I know the 2 3/4 is a BP round, but was the 3" ever made that way, as well? If so, do you know what loading it was set for?

thanks

Jeffe
How many grains by volume do you think the 577bpe takes? I been loading and shooting a 45/110 with bp and 560gr lead this month. She barks pretty good and the cloud of smoke is unreal. Might be able to hide from a mad buff in it
Shells are a pain to load clean up messy brass, measure out powder, pour in drop tube, compress powder. insert wafer, drop in grease cookie, push bullet in most of the way by hand, the seat it the last bit with press.
I think if my kids quit spending my money an old BPE double is what I need!
Dean

Hola Tonto!
Looking at an unknown 577 rifle (at this time) and waiting for a pic of proof marks.. i really hope it's not BPE, as I basically would loose interest about instantly... would like a 577, the price is right, it's a bit ugly, but if it's nitro, i am in... if it's bpe, well, i'll keep looking!
jeffe

jeffeosso!

The 577 BP Exp came in 2 3/4 and 3" versions as did the Nitro Express versions. the 2/34" BP version used 160 grains of BP with either a 520 gr lead or copper tubed bullet as well as a 560 gr lead solid bullet. The 3" used 167 gr of BP with 570 gr lead or copper tubed bullets as well as a 167 gr BP load with a 610 gr lead solid bullet.


465H&H

There was also a nitro for black loading for the 577 3" ranging from 65 gr of cordite and a 560 gr bullet to 77 gr cordite and a 650 gr bullet. These are not far behind the light nitro express loads of 90 gr cordite and a 650 gr bullet also loaded in the 3" case. If you don't like the idea of shooting black these might possibly be an interesting alternative. Energy with these loads is in the 375 H&H range.
Best.

Thanks guys...
if the gun turns out to be a BPE, I will have to pass... just not for me

jeffe

Jeffe:

Both case lengths were offered in Black Powder Express and Nitro Express. Don't get confused by the Nitro For Blacks - they're BPEs. NFB cartridges were specifically intended for use in black powder proof rifles. Some rifles were proved specifically for the NFB load. This is confusing because NFB and BPE proof standards were exactly the same. There is no load that is appropriate for an NFB that is not appropriate for a BPE.
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"Serious rifles have two barrels, everything else just burns gunpowder."

Jeffe
If you dont want it tell me about it. Must have a good deal if you were looking at it.
porque tu es bien codo, as my wife would say.
Dean

Thanks again,, I should hear from the seller today... and if it's aint nitro E, well, I'll just build me something that is! LOL
jeffe

Jeff: That was Samuel Baker's favorite cartridge gun -- a Holland double rifle in .577 3-inch. He insisted on the 6-dram load with 650-grain hardened bullet for the big stuff, though not for elephant.

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
Thanks guys...
if the gun turns out to be a BPE, I will have to pass... just not for me

jeffe

If it's a bpe, would you send the seller on to me? I'd be interested, though a .450 bpe would be better.

Thanks,

Brent

Jeffeosso,
I assume from your question that you don’t have a copy of Graeme Wrights book on double rifles?

It could be useful as it’s got original & modern loading information on the 2-3/4†& 3†.577 (BPE, NFB & Nitro).

Actually the .577 2-3/4" was produced in a stout full nitro loading - as well as BP & NFB.

Regards
Webley

I think there was also a 3 1/4" version

Don't forget that just because it doesn't have nitro proofs doesn't mean it isn't a nitro rifle.

Jeffeoso,
In the BP guize it will be much much more useful that any nitro 577. With 4198 you can match the full bp load with very low pressures. Samuel Baker just simply raved about it. easy to load for inexpensive with cast bullets and will kill hogs like the hammer of thor.

Els,
want to run up this way and bang away with my 550 express? It's built to MATCH the 577 NE in power... 700gr at 2130 vs 750 at 2050 .... that's just where I want to play at.. my 58 caliber frontstuffer can take a 615 to 1400+, and while not a breechloader, it's also 1/6 the price

just not interested in the BPE loads, at this time.. might change, but not today
jeffe