I'm told the Barnes Solids don't work at longer ranges than 100? And their not real accurate at long ranges beings their solid copper and have no lead in them.
Someone also told me today they are not real accurate.


http://www.barnesbullets.com/p...ts/rifle/tsx-bullet/
The ones I'm looking at are the 300 grain .375's and 400 grain .416's. All to be shot in Winchester Safari's.
Is this BS? That's what I'm thinking
Thought I'd ask the experts here.
TIA,
Duke

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Dam you opened a can of worms!! to some people here think Barnes bullets are a religious experience can wait to see the postings

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Originally posted by ddrhook:
Dam you opened a can of worms!! to some people here think Barnes bullets are a religious experience can wait to see the postings

I hope there good I just got almost 1000 or so on the way and would hate to pay to ship them back.

Mine cut one hole at a 100. Same point of impact as the 300 grain TSX. I don't know how they could stray off course after that...and what do you plan on shooting with a solid at long distance anyway?

I can see where the TSX and Banded solid would start to have different points of impact at farther distances, (200 or 300 yards) but I don't know why it would be an issue if you're just asking about the solids.

If you are talking about follow up shots at distance, I doubt you'd have the time to aim as accurately as your rifle could shoot them.

Am I missing something?

First, you're referring to 'solids' and the TSX interchangeably which can cause some confusion.

Generally, a 'solid' is a non-expanding bullet used for a) minimal pelt damage, and/or b) deep, straight-line penetration through bone and soft tissue.

The 'X' bullets and their variants are of monolithic construction, but they are expanding-type bullets.

Ask your 'source' so defend their claims. There are a lot of anecdotes of failures to expand with older generations of 'X' bullets, but there are just as many anecdotes of 'conventional' bullets failing.

George

If you are asking if the TSX groups open up at long distance, I can tell you emphatically that mine did not. I shot them at a 400 yard gong and the groups measured 3.5" I am not a long range marksman and I was pleasantly surprised as you can imagine.

I have also shot Mountain Zebra (2) at the 300 yard mark with my 8x57 and 200 grain TSXs and they performed perfectly.

One of our members, POP shoots a lot of Barnes bullets at 300yds. and in Wyoming wind, no less.
Contact him via PM and ask him to weigh in.

George

I'd disregard most of what whoever it is that told you that says from now on.

Duke

I am with Mikelravy, I would not pay much attention to whoever told you that story. That's BS end of story.

M

It's probably a die hard leadcore bullet finatic who thinks the Partition was the cat's ass 20 years ago, so it still must be.

Then these newfangled copper bullets come out that blow away the competition, and all they can do is slam them with BS

Dont know exactly what bullet your speaking of but I took a 7mm RM on first safari for plaingame and took a Hartebeest at 343 yards ( measured ) DRT. Took many animals on that safari and all with TSX. Perfect performance every time. Use them now in all my hunting rifles except for DR.

I've shot the TSX to less than .4" groups at 100 yards and a zebra at 302 yards (lasered)

I'm loading test ammo right now and two of the loads that I am testing are the Barnes 275 and 300 grain solids.

I shoot 140gr TSX in my 7mmSTW exclusively, and while I havent killed anythign with it at super LR, I can kill Coyotes to 450yds & Gongs to about 700......past that, I'm not sure how accurate they are

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Originally posted by DUKE NUKEM:
I'm told the Barnes Solids don't work at longer ranges than 100? And their not real accurate at long ranges beings their solid copper and have no lead in them.
Someone also told me today they are not real accurate.


http://www.barnesbullets.com/p...ts/rifle/tsx-bullet/
The ones I'm looking at are the 300 grain .375's and 400 grain .416's. All to be shot in Winchester Safari's.
Is this BS? That's what I'm thinking
Thought I'd ask the experts here.
TIA,
Duke

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That's the absolute truth! Once those bullets realize they've flown 100 yards, they just tumble and refuse to fly good or penetrate at all since they were only meant to shoot stuff up close. They're good to 99 yards, but not to 100 or beyond. I never use them if I have to shoot farther than 99 yards. What I can't figure out is, how do those bullets know they've gone 100 yards?

Just a quick comment, the current Barnes banded solids are NOT made of copper, they are solid brass.

The TSX's are copper, that's true. However, the banded solids are made of brass and creat different pressures than the TSX bullets. You can use more powder behind the solids.

The banded solids that I have been shooting in a .416 Rigby are extremely accurate, as are the TSX's. I have to admit I have not tried them past 100 yards.

I've heard the same thing about Barns bullets.
I don't shoot them any way. Because they put to much copper in my rifle.

The TSX is the one I was asking about. Theses just arrived the other day.

Judging by your 1st post, are we to assume you havent shot the 300gr TSX in your 375?

While its never happened to me, there are lots of folks that claim to get poor accuracy with the Barnes. This could very well happen to you as well. If it were me, I would ensure I could get a fairly accurate load worked up, prior to buying 12 boxes of bullets!

Lets assume you can get a load to group (I'm betting you can, IF you do your part), IMO the 300gr TSX will give you all the accuracy you will need, if used on shots that a 300gr 375 is intended for.

I use the Barnes x cape schock bullets in 400 gn in my 416 rigby,,,,at 100 yards, shooting paper I can touch the holes together in a group,, more important,,, 15 buffalo later,, not one bullet failure, not only did my Ph's swear by them,, I am a firm believer in them as well. I have some really nice recovered bullets on my coffee table now. One of them was a shot through the skull, saw the lump under the skin, it by far was the most "expanded" but all petals intact, zero loss of mass. I think I will stick with them. I haven't had the need to try and see how they do at 200 yards since most of the buffalo were very close,, but I would use them in a heartbeat.

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Originally posted by DUKE NUKEM:
I'm told the Barnes Solids don't work at longer ranges than 100? And their not real accurate at long ranges beings their solid copper and have no lead in them.
Someone also told me today they are not real accurate.


http://www.barnesbullets.com/p...ts/rifle/tsx-bullet/
The ones I'm looking at are the 300 grain .375's and 400 grain .416's. All to be shot in Winchester Safari's.
Is this BS? That's what I'm thinking
Thought I'd ask the experts here.
TIA,
Duke

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This was an incidental find while hunting elephant in Zim with Barnes 400 grain Banded Solids loaded in a Ruger 404 at MV = 2306 fps. Range was 259 yards. So based on this 1 case, I'd say they work.

Holy Crap that's a nice trophy!

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I'd disregard most of what whoever it is that told you that says from now on.

Ditto.

For accuracy, bullets are bullets, what my rifle won't shoot may very well shoot great for you. Only way to know is to try. And the loader's ability to actually develop an accurate load is part of the equation that some can't seem to solve on a regular basis.

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:

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I'd disregard most of what whoever it is that told you that says from now on.

Ditto.

+2 .. wanna bet the person is a matchking fan?

start -.065 of the lands and go BACK for accuracy

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:

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Originally posted by Jim C. <><:

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I'd disregard most of what whoever it is that told you that says from now on.

Ditto.

+2 .. wanna bet the person is a matchking fan?

start -.065 of the lands and go BACK for accuracy

Can you PM your phone# me on a caliber conversion I would like to do?

Some confusion of terms, here, I think. Don't know if this helps, but:

The only "problem" with the TSX is that it is LONG for weight, as contrasted with other bullets of equal weight. So, be SURE that it feeds reliably in any bolt gun. The alternative is compressing the powder, NOT a good plan.

If it makes a lick of difference, and you are really interested in a true solid in the 270-325g range, try the A-Square Monolithic. Just superb...but so are Woodleighs, North Forks, and lots of others. Your rifle will likely make this decision for you.

Good hunting.

I shoot Barnes solids and X-bullets out of a .416 Rem Winchester Safari Express. They will cut one hole off the bench. I never had a problem with them expanding even on animals the size of Bushbuck. Of course, at a certain point expansion really becomes a luxury rather than a necessity.

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Originally posted by tendrams:
I shoot Barnes solids and X-bullets out of a .416 Rem Winchester Safari Express. They will cut one hole off the bench. I never had a problem with them expanding even on animals the size of Bushbuck. Of course, at a certain point expansion really becomes a luxury rather than a necessity.

That's good to here and thanks TD. My Winchester .416 Remington arrived last week. Only I have just 20 pieces of brass for it. lol

[QUOTE]Originally posted by cmfic1:


, I would ensure I could get a fairly accurate load worked up, prior to buying 12 boxes of bullets!

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I saved my receipt!

So I bought 600 of them.......

;-) I see you have a group now! Looks like they're doin' well for you.

All rifles are different. Some apparently don't shoot them well. I haven't had that problem. My 338 WM does 2" at 300 yards with the 225 gr TSX. My .375 H&H does an even MOA with 300s, and my .416 Rigby does just under an MOA with 350 gr Barnes Xs.

Metal fouling seems to be a matter of how well the barrel has been smoothed out due to use. If the bbl is rough it will collect metal.

If it does, go back through the break in process and that is likely to improve over time.

Have only recovered two Barnes bullets from game. One was a .375 H&H 300 gr slug. It had traveled the full length of a Wildebeast, The other was a 350 gr slug from the 416 Rigby. It had smashed the femur of a Cape Buffalo and then gone through the entire gut and chest. Was found under the skin of the front of the chest.

Wverything else has just blown all the way through.

Duke, BTW, I think it's time to upgrade your binoculars!!! :-)

I shot a 3 shot group out of my 300 saum last month at 300 yards that measured 1.27 in with ttsx barnes. I ave 1/2 inch at 100 yards with my 378wby but my 416wby stays at about an inch. As long as the impact velocity is high enough they will open. I did shoot an eland at an extreame angle with a 350 gr 416 tsx that did not open due to the angle of impact causing the cavity to be squished to the side. I have shot most animals under 400 yards and have not had any problem and I would rather shoot a bullet that will hold together at close range than one that will expand at low velocity. If you are concerned about the possible long range shot with a tsx then I would either get closer or shoot a big enough bore that expansion is not as much a factor in lethality.
So my answer is not accurate...bullshit
wont expand....bullshit as long as velocity is at the level the bullet is designed to function
there is no perfect bullet and no bullet will not have an occasional failure but the tsx has failed me less than any other bullet out there.

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Originally posted by Biebs:
Duke, BTW, I think it's time to upgrade your binoculars!!! :-)

What Please! They came off a French soldier during WWII and were never used and only dropped once. ; )
I did get rid of my slide rule a few years ago though.

I shot this during late summer here in Vegas when it was 110 to 115 degrees but from what I have read here on AR, African summers run a lot hotter and my loads will fail. ; )

In my 375 h&h and 416 rem mag they were 1/2 moa out to 400 yards
I recovered only 1 bullet ln 14 la. rge plains animals. My 505 will break clay targets at 200.With flat nose solids

JD

Damn, they do walk among us!

Duke,
My .416 will shoot .57 at 100 with a 350 TSX and the 400 Gr Banded Solid will shoot just as well and to the same point of aim at 50 and 100 as the 350. One of the best bullets on the market. My load with the 350 is with Varget. Just one ragged hole at 100

Hello,

I find that all rather strange. I have a Mauser we made in .416 Ruger. I loaded both the Barnes .400 gr. .416 TSX and .400 Gr. solids which we used in Africa on everything from hippo, cape buffalo and duiker. All with one shot kills off the sticks. The optics were Nightforce 3.5 X 15 50mm. Both the softs and solids shot to the same point of impact at 200 yards off the sticks at home. I loaded the solids as back-up if needed. The longest shot was on a springbok @ 280 meters. The Cape buffalo was 100 meters two years ago and this year the buffalo was 200 meters measured. Both shots were with the 400 gr. TSX. Both were heart shots, one and down. The two hippos were both brain shots, one from the sticks at 150 meters and one at 100 meters from the prone position both with .400 gr. TSX. The TSX seriously planted everything with one shot and had no need to use the solids. The TSX also managed a 16 foot crocodile with one shot as well from the prone @ 75 meters. With that performance I am not going to bother taking the .416 solids as the TSX worked perfectly on everything including small cats. We are returning for elephant, buffalo, lion and a few other animals this year with a .470NE with 500 gr. Barnes solids for the elephant and possibly buffalo but the .416 Barnes TSX for everything else including possibly the buffalo.

I would certainly bet the ranch on the fact that the .400 gr solids would do the job as well but we just did not need them.

Try them they certainly were by far the most accurate bullets we found for our .416 Taylor and Ruger.

Hopefully this is helpful?

Respectfully,

GOB

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Originally posted by DUKE NUKEM:
I'm told the Barnes Solids don't work at longer ranges than 100? And their not real accurate at long ranges beings their solid copper and have no lead in them.
Someone also told me today they are not real accurate.


http://www.barnesbullets.com/p...ts/rifle/tsx-bullet/
The ones I'm looking at are the 300 grain .375's and 400 grain .416's. All to be shot in Winchester Safari's.
Is this BS? That's what I'm thinking
Thought I'd ask the experts here.
TIA,
Duke

.

I've been shooting Barnes TSX and Banded Solids for many years now. I've never experienced anything but excellent performance with them in terms of accuracy or hunting effectiveness. One double rifle is a bit finicky shooting them but that's it.

I load for 12 of my rifles and 6 of my friends rifles with the TSX bullets and have yet to find that mysterious rifle that will not shoot them accurately, unless the barrel is badly fouled.

One of the friend's I mentioned complained about accuracy in his 340 WBY with the TSX. Upon close inspection, it was just nasty with copper. We spent an afternoon really cleaning the barrel and from then on, no problems. He had previously been under the impression that a little Hoppes and a few immediate brush strokes, followed by a couple of dry patches was sufficient cleaning.

there are a conglomeration of answers to your question and they are addressing TSX monolithic hollow points as solids...You stated solids in which case I will say a solid will kill anything at extremely long range but it kills by penetration only from a practical standpoint..It is not a particularly good choice of bullet for that, as it does little internal damage and game can run a good ways as a rule, but it normally leaves a decent blood trail if the holes don't plug up with fat.

The solid is not ment to be a hunting bullet beyond 100 yards is probably a logical statement. It is designed, depending on the shape and construction, to kill big bad tough mean animals like elephants, buffalo and Hippo at ranges under 50 yards and mostly at less than 40 yards and when they are attempting to do harm to your bodyt, and its par excellent for that chore...

In a pointed design in a military rifle for combat it is designed to wound the enemy as it takes two or three people out of service to attend to one wounded comrade, and those pointed milsurp don't kill worth a crap on game unless it tumbles and you cannot depend on that..During WW2 early on, ammo was not to be had and most shooters were shooting Germans..Dad had a military connection and we got quite a bit of ammo..We ground the points off, we hollow pointed them, we used them as is on our Mule Deer, sometimes the reacted and killed like Lightening, and sometime they slipped thru, even when ground and hollow pointed. The only upside is our tracking skills became very good indeed.

I suppose you need to clarify your question as the wordage makes a lot of difference and the quote you got was probably taken in the above sence, in which case it wasn't that far off base....