I thought it was time to start a new thread for this stuff.

Jeffe,
Below is a 550 gr, .510 cal bullet. I think it is what you are looking for. Let me know.

in my horrible spanish
est todo beuno!!!

It's ALL good!!

Fritz, it looks perfect... should feed like hot snot, and i LOVE the bands.!!!

In all honesty, it what I think a modern designed bolt rifle solid SHOULD look like. It ought to feed perfect, and have a great performance. hell, the shape, although it would have to be smaller, would be great for a lead mold, cast em hard, and have a really nice practice/NA load, too!!

thanks Fritz!!

jeffe

[ 01-28-2003, 21:29: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

This is far better than existing Mono-Metel solids now on the market! The reason is:

The nose of a monolithic solid up to the first band is designed to be bore size, and ride on top of the lands, because the bronze bullet is longer for the same weight than one made of lead, and copper! If not for the nose's ability to extend into the rifleing the bullet would have to be seated too deeply, restricting powder capacity! On the solids like the Barnes the bareing surface is too solid, and is very hard on double rifles. If these bands are left at groove diameter, and the area between the bands are at bore diameter, this would releave the pressures needed to engrave the bullet by the rifleing. If only a little deeper, and a little wider between the bands, I think these would work in a double rifle quite well!

Is there any meplat on the bullet, or is it just a rn? Looks really good! I just need to get my rifle and dies sorted out, I'm getting excited about shooting this thing!

fritz, thassa plumm gud lookin' bullit thar!!

Paul, There is a 0.160 dia metplat on the nose.

Eldegello, Thanks.

Fritz454

Are bullets turned from solid stock more or less accurate than jacketed cast bullets that the jacket has been extruded somehow?

Or is it that the range of these is so low as to not make a noticable difference?

Thanks

Jim

1. The most accurate big bore bullets I have shot have been solids turned from solid stock.

2. I have shot some of the fritz454 bullets and they were very accurate (less than 1 inch) even with a low power scope.

Jim,

I think that solid turned bullets have an advantage over jacketed bullets in the accuracy department. It has to do with the center of mass. On a jacketed bullet the center of mass is less likely to be on the centerline of the bullet. Any deviations in the jacket thickness, concentricity of the copper or relation of the jacket to the lead will adversely affect the performance of the bullet. This will induce a wobble. Imagine an out of balance tire on you car.

This is a non-issue for a solid. With a solid the material is homogeneous and the center of mass is on the centerline of the bullet.

JMHO

Mac357,

You are absolutely right. The driving bands are groove diameter and the grooves in the bullet are left at bore diameter. The effect is lower presure due to less engagement with the rifling.

[ 01-29-2003, 01:45: Message edited by: fritz454 ]

Fritz
Man, just let me know how much and how long. jlsmith2@aol.com.

Jeffe

Jeffe - Stop drooling on your keyboard.

Jeffe,
How many do you want? I can get them done by Friday or Monday.

Fritz454, what is the price, a what calibers, and weights do you make these bullets? I would be interested in some 480 gr .458 bullets for my 450NE, and 458 Lott/458 Win Mag, Ruger No1s!

Mac357,
I can do whatever weight you want. I am planning to offer as standard weights in .458 cal 300, 350, 400, 450 and 500. But at this early stage adding a 480 gr is not a problem.

The picture below shows a:
.474 500 gr - .458 450 gr - .416 350 gr



If you email me at mtfritz454@aol.com we can work it out the pricing. Until I've got a website with all of the prices up and running I don't want to publish costs on the net piecemeal.

Fritz454,
All I can say is awsome!

How do I order some .416's and .510's?

[ 01-30-2003, 03:20: Message edited by: DavidReed ]

fritz454,
You gotta let us know when your web page is up and running! You've got another customer lined up when you do.

Eric

[ 02-05-2003, 12:01: Message edited by: Mauser416 ]

Hey these bullets above look kinda familiar!!


The left hand one was recovered from a bull ele.

Sorry, I could not resist that, it is quite flattering actually

Gerard,

You are correct they are similar, however there are some differences that the pictures don't pick up.
You should be flattered it is a great design.

Davidreed, Mauser416 - I hope to be up and taking orders next week on a web page.

[ 01-30-2003, 03:48: Message edited by: fritz454 ]

Gerard, I have one that looks identical to the bullet on the left which was recovered from a cow ellie.

Here are the latest.



all are .416 cal - 400 gr



All are .510 cal - 550 gr

What do you think?

Fritz454,

Marvelous.

slobber, slobber!

How about a .416 with a nose taper in between that of the bullets on the left and right? Is the first band on the .416's a bore riding band? I can't tell from the picture.
The .510 on the right looks like it would be the bomb... literally! I anticipate you website.

[ 01-31-2003, 11:16: Message edited by: DavidReed ]

quote: "if i could afford it, I WANT a thousand"

...and how do the fly (i.e. how do they group)?

Fritz,
While i hate to ask for more than my perfect 510 bullets... how about a 375 250 gr, that looks more less just like the 510 550 you did more me?

I think my steyr would LOVE em

jeffe

Davidreed - Thanks for the input. I agree the .416 on the left needs less taper. I will fix that today.
The web site will be up next week sometime. It will start with a few pages and continue to grow. When something is up I'll post he address for anyone interested.

Waitamimit, I've been shooting the .416 on the far right for years. My best targets are one hole cloverleaf's. The worst, during load development, was 1-1/2 at 100 yds. There are others here who have reported good accuracy with the few bullets I have made and shipped.
The 416 rem I've been using has cleanly harvested a number of North American game animals. Robgunbuilder reported 4 feet of penetration through seasoned oak and then 6" into mud. The bullet recovered showed only rifling marks and was reloadable as recovered. Here is the link to his comments. The post in questions is about half way through the thread. http://www.serveroptions.com/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic;f=16;t=002740;p=2

Keep the comments coming, good and bad. Criticism helps me improve on the design so have at it.
Fritz

Jeffeosso,

You're covered. I have a 250, 270 and 300 gr planned as a standard item.

Fritz

Here is what transpired this weekend.


.416 cal - 400 gr (all)


.458 cal - 500 gr (all)


.474 cal - 500 gr (all)


.510 cal - 550 gr (all)


.585 cal - 800 gr (all)


.620 cal - 900 gr (all) Crimp groove is for 600 OK


700 cal - 1000 gr (all)

By the end of the week I hope to have the following done:

.338 250 & 275 gr
9.3mm 270 & 300 gr
.375 250, 270 & 300 gr
.408 390 gr
.411 390 gr
.416 350 & 400
.458 300, 350, 400, 450 & 500 gr
.474 450, 500, 550 & 600 gr
.505 550 gr
.510 500, 550 & 600 gr
.580 650 & 750 gr
.585 800 gr
.620 750 & 900

Let me know if you like what you see so far. Any improvements? Other nose shapes you'd like to see.

fritz454-Can these bullets be loaded to about the same velocity as regular copper jacket-lead core
bullets, with the same pressures.I like the looks
of them.Looks like you will have booming sales.
Can you make any diameter?Ed Hubel.

Hubel458,

I have not had any problem getting what would be considered normal velocity for any given cartridge bullet weight combination. That being said every gun is an individual and some guns will shoot faster than others.
These bullets are solids and I have had excellent accuracy from them. Performance on game is, IMO, devastating. I personally use a bullet very similar to the far right one. That big metplat hits with authority and penetrates very well. I have never retrieved a bullet from a game animal. The biggest one being a 2000+ lb bison.

I will make any weight and any caliber with any nose shape. Custom turning will be detailed on the website. The driving bands will remain on all of the bullets. These bands serve several purposes. One is to move the center of mass forward to increase penetration and to aid bullet stability in tissue. It also reduces pressure and is easier on the rifling.

In my 416 rem I can easily get 2450 with a 350-gr bullet. I have gone faster but like to stay in the 2400 to 2500 fps range as a general rule. We will soon see how they do in the 600OK but I have no doubt on how they will perform. Some others have had encouraging performance as well. There are some comments from them on this thread as well as the "Pictures of the first 600 Overkill"

My website should be up in limited fashion tomorrow and functional by the end of the week.
www.brdgerbullets.com . Bridging the gap for sportsman. We are just waiting for the new DNS setting to be propagated across the Internet.
You should be able to email to info@bridgerbullets.com tomorrow as well if you have any questions.
Fritz

fritz454-Thanks for info.With my wildcat I had to
cut some grooves in the X-bullets also to get
close to the same velocity as regular bullets.
One groove was used for crimping.I always like the
practice of large caliber bullets with crimping grooves.

Those are beautiful bullets and the custom bullet design service is an excellent idea.

Frits454!

It will be fun to see how the 750 grain caliber .620 bullet looks like.

Can you make a 1200 grain caliber .700 bullet? I think that it would be perfect for the .700 BMG IMPROVED

Overkill,
The 750 gr .620 cal didn't make the first cut but I'm sure it will be a reality soon. I've got a 600OK in the works so I have a vested interest in doing some development in this caliber.

I don't know how much of a market the 1200 gr .700 cal would have. I'll certainly turn some if someone wanted them but we'll have to wait and see on that one.

[ 02-03-2003, 21:23: Message edited by: fritz454 ]

Frits!

I will be fun to hear what velocity you get with the 750 grainer and with the big 900 grainer.

Fritz454- Exquisite work! We need to try some of these things out on Buff! In one end and out the other ( like grass).-Rob

Fritz,

Just so you know, your URL for your web page contains a typo.

I sure would like a hint about prices, even if it's not firm. Is a couple of bucks each, in quantities of 20 in the ballpark, for say .458s?

Pertinax

Thanks Rob,

I don't think the buff will know what hit them. I've got a few horses out back that are the same way with the grass. Hey maybe.... No I don't think any would make book.

Pertinax,

Thank, my typing needs work. Try www.bridgerbullets.com. The prices are for quantities of 50 in .458 cal,
300 gr @ $46.40,
350 gr @ 48.80,
400 gr @ 54.40,
450 gr @ 52.75
500 gr @ 54.90
I will give a 5% discount for single item orders of 200 to 499 bullets and a 10% discount for quantities over 500.

The pricing page will be up tomorrow with all of the pricing for the calibers and weights available currently. Please check back regularly as I will be adding items as this progresses.

All comments are welcome and appreciated.

John
info@bridgerbullets.com
www.bridgerbullets.com

I am trying these .510 550gr out next week!!
I still like the one you did for me, Fritz!! I think it'll feed and it'll HIT!!!

jeffe

[ 02-04-2003, 03:24: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

I know that this is the Big Bore forum, but that bullet design looks like it could give real functionality to the 8MM Rem Mag, a good cartridge in search of a good bullet if there ever was one. OK, OK, 338 Win Mag also. Put me down for .429's at about 350 gr, OK?