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Originally posted by sambarman338:

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Originally posted by GBE:
Ok sm338, knowing your fondness for heavy European scopes
which are more robust, those built on the classic 4x erector tube (1-4x, 1.5-6x, 2,5-10x etc) with FFP reticle or the new SFP 6x erector tubes?

Personally on anything bigger than a .375 I like rail mount scopes, and the old prism rail that can be drilled through exposes other weaknesses in the system before the scope moves.

I think less is more when it comes to variable multiples, esp. in the modern, constantly centred-reticle scopes. This is because as we turn up the power, the lenses should have to move out (cf zoom camera lenses) and big ones probably have to move out farther. This adds even more inertia to the front of the erector tube to act under recoil and bumps.

In the old reticle-movement scopes this is less important because the erector set is solidly mounted in the main tube. But even there, 4x multiples were thought to be ground-breaking. Though I generally prefer the humble 3x multiples, I have grown fond of the now-classic 1.5-6x German scope and a little Nickel 1-4x variable.

My old Sako .338 is presently wearing a dural B.Nickel 1.5-6x36 and "I like it fine, so far". It has a rail and I mounted it in eBay-found Blaser dovetails on top of the boxy Optilock bases. You have to be lucky to find those female dovetails in the Anglosphere, which probably explains why unrailed, unsoldered steel tubed scopes cost the big bikkies, even though they were cheapest when new.

I think we might be thinking along similar lines - I'm still wary of the Z6 etc

Its worth noting among European designs the traditional 1-4x variable is designed for driven game rather than dangerous game - shooting running wild boar is the province of cartridges such as 8x57, .30'06, .300Win, 9,3x62 & 9,3x74R - most of which are lucky to produce 30+ ft/lbs of recoil. Swarovski do make an EE (extended eye relief) version of the 1-6x Z6 and Schmidt and Bender used to offer a "safari" version of their 1.25-4x (so enscribed on the turret cap) but I'm not sure if there were any extra features added to make them more robust that the average driven game scopes.

Swarovski have recently released the 0.75-6x at IWA http://www.titanium-gunworks.d...i-z8i-0-75-6x20.html as the new driven game flagship, so far I've yet to see an ad for it contain anything larger than a boar, as even the humble 9,3s can chew out the teeth on mounts that attach to the robust SR rail system after a few years.

The Blaser prism rail mount (at least the ones I've used) does have the advantage of drilling up through the bottom of the rail rather than across, minimising unsightly holes if moving from one position/rifle to another, however I think for your Nickel and others you would be better served trawling through the Recknagel catalogue https://www.recknagel.de/Jooml...alogues.html?lang=en and finding a local distributor

Yes, GBE, the Blaser dovetails did have the recoil-stop pin or screw into the scope rail from the bottom. I remember having to back it off somehow because my first attempt added elevation to the scope.

I had another look at the Recknagel catalogue but as with last time, my poor German kept me from getting much joy from it.

I do like the idea of their Distanzscheiben (distance discs) - dedicated shims to alter elevation in the mounts.

From my first look at the brand, I recall that if nothing else puts you off, the prices may.

Ive ruined too many scopes on the Lott.. I will only use the Leupold 2.5 "COMPACT" AND THAT WITH QUIK DETACHABLE RINGS...backed up with irons...In reality I don't need either, a receiver sight suits me as well, but never let it out of your sight, Camp staff love to tinker with gadgets like adjustments!

IMO, to think otherwise is those who own closet queens in the Lott..

I found the Lott was, in fact a bit worse on scopes than my 505 Gibbs, 470 NE, or the 500 Jefferys that weighed 5 lbs..Why that was Im not sure, but suspect recoil snappy velocity as opposed to a big push by the others may be the culprit..or it could just be the guns and fit I guess...

I do know that camp staff sometimes like to undo caps, as a bottle of whisky disappeared from my pantry stock.

I read somewhere that Leupold has more trouble with long-push recoil than the quick jab - but maybe the Lott has both and the 460 Weatherby would be even worse.

As you say, Ray, stock shape could be something to do with it. A really straight stock should lift less than one with a lot of drop at heel.

I note on another thread a poster saying he wrecked three Posi-Lock scopes on a .416, so maybe that technology has taken some time to develop, too.

But, if in the end even a stout third screw can't fix image-movement, it would make reticle-movement scopes even more bullet-proof.

Brickbats may have to wait a few days to be thrown back - I'm off up the country

OK follow up. Per recommendations went with the Alaska Arms 30mm Med. Lowest they had. Got a z6i 1-6 EE. Mounted it and put the scope as far forward as possible. Worked perfect. Used liquid electrical tape per recommendation with Alaska Arms dude. Scope not as low as I'd like it they don't make any lower mounts but it clears bolt handle ad these scopes are awesome not sure why I considered any other. (I have 2 now). No way i'm gonna get brow bit with this setup. I assume the one recoil lug is sufficient? seems skimpy but must work. Maybe I should get another setup for my 505? Thinking RMR for that one. Off to range to sight in. Should be a good Buffalo hammer

Many of the old stand by and go to scopes mentioned here are no longer made or for sale !
The whole VX3 range is done for , the old 2.5 compacts..... long gone

So whilst we all have our favourites for anyone wanting to go out a buy a scope today the options cited are kind of moot !

The dilemma today is what is available now that would compare to the old favourites !

VX 3i nope dont cut it !

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Originally posted by ALF:


Many of the old stand by and go to scopes mentioned here are no longer made or for sale !
The whole VX3 range is done for , the old 2.5 compacts..... long gone

So whilst we all have our favourites for anyone wanting to go out a buy a scope today the options cited are kind of moot !

The dilemma today is what is available now that would compare to the old favourites !

VX 3i nope dont cut it !

The 2.5x Ultralight is still listed

https://www.leupold.com/scopes...-ultralight-2-5x20mm

And I agree, not much point singing the praises of fixed powers when there are so few available

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Originally posted by GBE:

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Originally posted by ALF:


Many of the old stand by and go to scopes mentioned here are no longer made or for sale !
The whole VX3 range is done for , the old 2.5 compacts..... long gone

So whilst we all have our favourites for anyone wanting to go out a buy a scope today the options cited are kind of moot !

The dilemma today is what is available now that would compare to the old favourites !

VX 3i nope dont cut it !

The 2.5x Ultralight is still listed

https://www.leupold.com/scopes...-ultralight-2-5x20mm

And I agree, not much point singing the praises of fixed powers when there are so few available

And interestly enough it's listed in the regular product catagory. Up to last year it was only found in the custom section on their website.

Maybe the upswing in demand from folks here on AR caused the change? .

Well here's a frustrating update. I never shot this custom AHR rifle with a scope. Turns out it's one of the bad ones. Shoots way low. Ran out of vertical travel on the scope and can't get properly zeroed. Turns out this was a problem on the 458 550's mid 2000's. Wayne said they can fix it somehow at CZ custom shop. Fun times I listed this rifle on my Ozzy import permit...

Anyone else run into this? A custom setup scope ring arrangement, canted rail etc may fix this. Kicking myself in the head for not finding this out earlier.....

Sorry to hear that Gunslinger. For all the smoke and mirrors of constantly centred reticles, truth is you need to get the zero near the centre of the scope's adjustment for long-term reliability. So, don't settle for one out on the edge.

I agree...Supposedky it's getting fixed. The peep sight will be quite recoil resistant though if it goes to that...