I was offered a Orberndorf B model in 10,75x68 today. It is in poor condition. The owner had shot the rifle 13 times in Kenya from 1963 to 1965. He still has the 7 remaining shells in the original box. I need some advice on the value of the rifle in its current state.
The stock is original and in about 80% condition. Two cross bolts were added to the rifle and I think at some time it had been bedded. The horn but plate has been eaten up a bit. No major dings in the stock and it has never been shortened. The metal has scars from rust. the barrel surface is modrately pitted and not much of the original finish is there. The barrel sports the usual front sight with hood, single standing rear sight with two folding leaves.It has a barrel band sling swivel.I could not assess the condition of the bore as it had a lot of crud in it. The barrel has the correct serial number as does the magazine box and bolt. The action has not been fussed with at all and is pretty smooth. It has double set triggers. The magazine box has the lever release. There are no extra holes in the action, and the bolt handle is the normal pear shaped handle. I would like to restore this old gun if I can. What is it worth? He is asking a thousand.

lb,
That sounds like a pretty good deal to me.If you decide you don't want it I would be interested.
Fred

i sold a 9.3 last year for under 1k it was lightly pitted under the woodline reblued with a terrible buffing beforehand the stock was there but worn and re-oiled or varnished just to give you a comparible, right now there are a few floating out there thadd scott has one about 3500$ as does bass pro shops cabelas has a minty one for 5k see if you can post a pic..........paul

While reading your post I already had it in my mind that $1k is usually a good price for a pre-restoration Oberndorf. The fact that this one has the DST and lever makes it a very good deal.

Just be sure it is restored properly or it will still be worth 1K when you're done.

I have to respectfully disagree with KurtC and WVFred to the extent that unless you can do much of the restoration yourself, a decent one will cost less than the aggregate you will spend on the rifle and its restoration.

Right now its worth the price of the action.

I would sure buy it for $1k

I would buy it if the bore is sharp & bright and the action is not pitted, otherwise that's alot for a standard length action with an odd ball bolt face.

Some good pictures would help. One man's "moderate pitting" is another's "frost".

and since I am more pragmatic than most..

these two statements

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The metal has scars from rust. the barrel surface is modrately pitted....

I could not assess the condition of the bore as it had a lot of crud in it.

and 1963 ammo - and since it's not american ammo, I am 100% certain it is corrossive, which means the barrel was coated in salts to lay down the rust you see in it.

tells me this is, unfortunately, JUNK.

Sorry guys, sounds like a crwafish hole for a barrel, rusty, rusted, and pitted exterior, bugs have eaten the horn pad (which is $150 on ebay itself to replace).. and I would be concerned that the stock has been eaten into as well.

this is, to me, this morning at least, nothing but a stock pattern and a barrel pattern to have duplicated.

in short, you are buying the barrel profile, the stock pattern, a nive modified action, and the barrel accessories.

If it was one of my friends, I would either have to tell him I will have to pass, even though this is EXACTLY a rifle I would love to have, and/or explain to him what he actually has.

it's actually worth more as parts and patterns than as a gun, on the open market .

$400-500 tops, for the whole thing.. but I would give him $200 for the stock alone

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and 1963 ammo - and since it's not american ammo, I am 100% certain it is corrossive

He was either using DWM or RWS ammo, at worst S&B, and neither was corrosive.

Don't forget you Americans learned from these producers what non-corrosive ammo is.

Carcano

Oberndorf

...it's cuz your's don't have bolts!!

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Originally posted by carcano91:

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
and 1963 ammo - and since it's not american ammo, I am 100% certain it is corrossive

He was either using DWM or RWS ammo, at worst S&B, and neither was corrosive.

Don't forget you Americans learned from these producers what non-corrosive ammo is.

Carcano

Carcano,
SB sells "Semi" corrosive ammo today.. sure, it's surplus, but it still is.


The US government commisioned the study on corrosive ammo, prior to the end of WWII, but people kept using their primers untill they ran out.

Learning from "DWM or RWS" about corrosive ammo, as well as S&B, it a europhillic perspective, as all three of these companies where making ammo for the german army, while the US was shipping to non-corrosive primers..

and WWII surplus ammo, to the point of exclusion, it corrosive primed.

Thank You Jeffeosso for enlarging the picture
and yes I do have bolts but what I can`t do
is too send pictures ,so please teach me

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
SB sells "Semi" corrosive ammo today.. sure, it's surplus, but it still is.

Piffle. We talk here about 10,75x68. Rather be grateful that I remedied your frogpondian US ignorance, so common in these fora.
Civilian ammo from S&B has since WW II (and probably before) used Neroxin primers.

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The US government commisioned the study on corrosive ammo, prior to the end of WW II

Oh *REAAAALLY* ?

RWS had non-corrosive Sinoxid primers patented (and in production) since 1928.

Carcano

Jeffeoso, You are breaking my heart with those pictures. The rifle he has is an amalgamation of two of your pictured rifles. Barrel countour/sight package and wood of the bottom rifle with the twin trigger/lever release floor plate of the rifle above it.

Whom would be able to restore the rifle to very good condition? In my estimation, the real flaw in the deal is the barrel. I think you could take a new barrel and the sleve sight package from NECG and add a BB sling swivel as well as a proper front sight and do well. The other thing I thought, since the rifle is flawed already, if the bore is OK, One could just clean it up a bit and use it for a shooter. I think the action and bottom metal would, in expert hands, polish out just fine and make a wonderful hunting rifle. I have Atkinson's Hoffman rifle and it shoots well enough but as a collecter, you don't want to make changes in it.

To describe the damage to the barrel, since I don't own the thing YET, the barrel stamping of the caliber and the serial number are basically hard to read they have been etched so bad. Since the barrel has that much scarring, I was thinking that if the bore is good, one could pull the barrel and swet off the rear sight sleve and barrel band sling swivel, and outside turn the barrel to remove the pitting. The sight sleve would still fit, and you would remove the worst of the damage. As I said, the stock is salvagable and so is the receiver. The only thing left to do would be to rust blue the whole thing and make it right again. Who can do that type of rust blueing?? The caliber stamping and serial number would have to be redone.

Lb404 those 5 10,75x68 belong too me and You declined too buy them when I offered them to You

Lots of people rust blue these days. I think Glenrock does and of course, Turnbull for enough money. The place to find rust bluers are the guys that restore western arms.

If you want to go down that road I think Lothar Walther has most of the old Oberndorf barrel profiles available. If you send it to them in Georgia after the parts are pulled, they should be able to get it matched up. Pretty reasonable. too. I just ordered an "E" pattern Obernorf for a project and with about $75 worth of additional program changes it came to $301.50 including shipping.

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Originally posted by oberndorf:
Lb404 those 5 10,75x68 belong too me and You declined too buy them when I offered them to You

What do you want for each, top to bottom? And what part of the world are they coming from? I might be interested in one.

Me first, I don't remember being offered those rifles. If I was, I was sure asleep at the wheel. Try me again.

Do you guys think this project has merit?

Not if Oberndorf is serious about his prices. I want the top rifle, BTW but you have first dibs.

I want the bottom one. I also want one in 9.3x62 in a A or B Mauser. I had a chance in my youth to buy a A model with case colored bolt and action. Claw mounts on barrel and rear bridge which fit me very well. It had one of the finest stocks I had ever seen on a factory gun and I passed it by for the 416 Taylor I have now. Why? Because I had never heard of the 9,3x62 and at that time was a very difficult round to feed. It was offered to me for $500.00 and was in at least 98%condition. Man if I could just step back in time to claim that rifle.

Yes You mast`ve been asleep when You wrote E-mails too me about 10,75&9,3!!
I live in Sweden and foreseeing future govermental restrictions I did offer them to
You for reasonable price( no they were not gratis )because after reading Your messages on this forum I thought that You appreciate Original Mausers

Well, we can oblidge now inspite of the earlier mistake if you would PM us with the details. I am sure we could take all of them if the $1400-1500 USD price still holds. We just need to contact whoever you want to use as the exporter on your side of the pond to set up the transaction.

Oberndorf,
which ones are which calibers?

LB, these aren't mine. I would consider the one that started this discussion as a lost cause, for parts and patterns.

Carcano.
I can appricate that there was a non-corrosive primer before wwii. I can also appreciate that this wasn't commonly used in miltary ammo... they don't use benchrest primers TODAY, for example. SB TODAY sells "semi corrosive" primers in 7.62x39? Why? it's cheaper, and that's what the russians wanted, for their war machine.

jeffe

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Originally posted by oberndorf:
Yes You mast`ve been asleep when You wrote E-mails too me about 10,75&9,3!!
I live in Sweden and foreseeing future govermental restrictions I did offer them to
You for reasonable price( no they were not gratis )because after reading Your messages on this forum I thought that You appreciate Original Mausers

Perhaps we can negotiate a sale. I have an importer that we can use as well as wire transfer capability. If you are in possession of these rifles as well as others, it would be possible to contract with this firm to import the rifles to the USA. Hell I imported two rifles from RSA right after the 911 tragedy and it took a year as nothing was leaving RSA without its owner in hand. Let us know what you have and the prices and we will see what can happen. I think I remember the details and it was going on about the same time. I was a little leary of another transaction at the time.

Oberndorf, did you sell these to me three years ago?



I'll take your Brnos if you have any left.

nice stuff here!

all 5 10,75x68
2 on the top guild guns #3 org Oberndorf mausers

Let me know if they still are available. Perhaps we can get something done this time.