Ron,

That is a fine looking rifle.

I wish Ruger would make the recoil lug twice as deep, move the screw back and keep it vertical and make the tang bigger and have the tang sit on top of the wood. Sounds like another action

Mike

Mike,
I figure someone is now going to complain about me posting these pictures again. It's enough to make a Ruger hater sick, eh? $805 bargain.

RIP,

Are you trying to get up to 15,000 posts?

That is a nicer looking piece of wood than mine, but overall they look pretty darn similar. The "fit and finish" seem of the same standard anyway. There is no "offset" of recoil pad, spacer and stock on mine either.

Cheers,
Canuck

There ya go Mike, the complainer has posted.

$805/7.75lbs = $103.87 per pound.

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There ya go Mike, the complainer has posted.

Thought you'd be grateful for getting it over with quickly.

You know I love those pics, and surely the quality of the subject deserves a unique posting for each one.

Cheers,
Canuck

Why do so many people get all heated about a new calibre Vs old calibre? IS will have a nervous break down.

Perhaps being involved with Wby makes you immune as it is like sitting on a mountain top watching all the little people fight

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Gatehouse,

points well taken, but to sell the 375R has to be better, and the numbers do not support that.

Define "better?" If "better" = faster, then the 375 Ruger is a bit faster than the 375 H&H,so I guess it's better. The numbers do support that.

Also, we ave only to look at the 300RUM, 300WSM, 300WM to see that "faster" isn't always what the public wants. Sometimes they want different.

The 300WSM has been selling like crazy. It's selling better than the 300WM. Yet the 300RUM isn't a fast seller.

The 300WSM shoots about the same velcity to a 300WM, and with handloads the 300WM beats the 300WSM. But the public wants the WSM.

Why? it's different.

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I bought a new CZ for less than the 375R would have cost me, and...oh, yeah, they had them in stock...not back ordered.

Sounds like you got a good deal. As demonstrated, the CZ is quite a bit more to purchase here in Canada. As with all new products, they often take time to stock them. Still, if I can get one wihtout too much trouble, you shoudl be able to as well.

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It just does not seem that many people share your view and back it up by buying one.

Well, I guess we will know the answer to this in a few years. Too early to tell rigth now.

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There's nothing wrong with the cartridge, it's also true that there is nothing wrong with the H&H; and a clearcut advantage is the primary reason to get the 375R instead if you are shopping.

The only *real* advantage the H&H has over the Ruger is that it is more available at this point. When WSM's came out, people were crying "stock up on brass, these won't ever last!!"

Now you can buy ammo for the WSM's anywhere you can buy ammo! Canadian Tire (Canadian auto/hardware/homeware chain) carries WSM ammo!!

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For the same $$$ you can have a 458WM, and if you hunt dangerous game, the 458 is a much better choice. It's what Phil packs often, from what I have read.

If I wanted a 458, I would buy a 458. The 375 Ruger offers a 30-06 like trajectory with a hard punch, in a handy package. I think it's much more versatile than a 458.

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Originally posted by WbyPower:
Why do so many people get all heated about a new calibre Vs old calibre?

Gates and I think its usually either a function of: a) luddite'ism or b) they feel that their favorite cartridge is being threatened by the new one.

I do find it amusing when people that adore wildcatting and creating unnecessary but interesting new cartridges, also find the need to slam new and interesting projects by a major corporation. Maybe that's just anti-establishmentarianism.

Heck...Its an all new case! Its pretty fricken cool, and a great design for those that like to build rifles off of existing platforms. You'd think a wildcatter especially could appreciate that.

...and it doesn't make the 375 H&H any less of a cartridge than it ever was. Other than that, who the hell cares??



Canuck

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Originally posted by WbyPower:
Why do so many people get all heated about a new calibre Vs old calibre?

Luddites.....

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Gatehouse, was the Ruger less than $800US? That's what I paid for my brand new CZ 375H&H in September. I actually saw my first round of 375R the same weekend. Still haven't seen the rifles yet.

If you want to see one, you should get over to your local Boise, ID, Cabela's GunRoom. They are listing the 375 Ruger African as "in-stock".

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NEW LISTING! Ruger Model HM77 Hawkeye African .375 Ruger
Reference No.: 855033 $929

You can find this listing in the Boise Gun Room stock list on Cabelas.com, under "Fine Rifles".

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by WbyPower:
Why do so many people get all heated about a new calibre Vs old calibre? IS will have a nervous break down.

Perhaps being involved with Wby makes you immune as it is like sitting on a mountain top watching all the little people fight

Maybe you just don't notice the fights as much because you've been deafened by Wbys with efficient but excruciatingly loud muzzle brakes?

Seems like a good place for this smiley.



The braked .460 Wby. The gun that makes ear defenders earn their name.

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The braked .460 Wby. The gun that makes ear defenders earn their name.

It is the 30/378 end of town that is the worse. Real character building stuff

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Ever pop one of them Wby's into a blueing tank? and see what remains of the parts ????? Bar the action, bolt and barrel not much else.

Well, my bottom metal will be OK since it is all steel

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Originally posted by WbyPower:

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The braked .460 Wby. The gun that makes ear defenders earn their name.

It is the 30/378 end of town that is the worse. Real character building stuff

Them too but it was an idiot with a .460 that didn't warn me that made my friends all have laryngitis and my phone stop working for a week or so...I don't like hunting with brake people. It's as much that as the chamberings.

Alf

WSM's are being chambered by tikka, remington, savage, browning, sako, kimber, weatherby and of course the reintroduced mdl 70, so finding one is probably no more difficult than a phone call.

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Gatehouse,

points well taken, but to sell the 375R has to be better, and the numbers do not support that. I bought a new CZ for less than the 375R would have cost me, and...oh, yeah, they had them in stock...not back ordered. They also had 375H&H ammunition and dies in stock. I am glad you are happy with the rifle, it's the way we should be after wanting one for a while and shelling out the $$$ for one. It just does not seem that many people share your view and back it up by buying one. There's nothing wrong with the cartridge, it's also true that there is nothing wrong with the H&H; and a clearcut advantage is the primary reason to get the 375R instead if you are shopping.

For the same $$$ you can have a 458WM, and if you hunt dangerous game, the 458 is a much better choice. It's what Phil packs often, from what I have read. I would have to see a lot more difference to convince me to get a 375R.

Rich
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You couldn't hand me a CZ rifle if there is a Ruger Hawkeye rifle in either the African or Alaskan model.

I like to compare the CZs to those of the Remington 798/799 models. Sloppy actions, un-godly heavy, etc.

I just find it funny how you are ragging on Ruger about their new 375 Ruger. What do you mean they have to be better? You probably spouted the same shit when the 300 WSM hit the market. Look at it now. It sells just as good as the rest of them. But of course, we didn't need the 300 WSM since we had the 300 Win. Mag, 300 RUM, 300 WBY, etc. You get the idea.

Once Ruger gets caught up on the high demand for their new Ruger Hawkeye African and Alaskan rifles, and once dies and brass become more readily available (I had no problems finding any of this), it'll become a top seller.

It's just funny how you are ragging on this rifle and cartridge combo when it hasn't even been out all that long. Is that you're biggest bitch, not finding brass and dies on the shelf? That's called demand.

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Originally posted by ALF:Now Gatehouse says you can buy WSM ammo from all and sundry, true but where are the guns that shoot these WSM's, unless you like Browning there's not many to choose from.

Um, just about every rifle company out there is chambering rifles for the WSM cartridges. You have to look beyond Browning.

talk to me about Ruger VS CZ...I love a good bullshit story. Aluminum is for beverage cans, not floor plates and gun parts. I have been very nice, trying to focus on the cartridge not the firearms. Purple is for old ladies, not firearms receiver finishes... Casting is what you do to make lead bullets, not receivers.

Firearms balance and weight are a personal preference. You can't make the ruger any more acceptable by badmouthing a CZ. Any small differences in performance are 99% subjective. The CZ weighs what it does for people who actually shoot their big bores...lightweight rifles are for people who carry them around mostly, and talk about shot bags to enable them to withstand the fierce recoil, and such. My CZ set, has a very smooth 1.5lb trigger. Get that with a Ruger. My CZ holds SIX! rounds of 375 H&H, how many does the Ruger in 375R hold? Or that big RSM?

All of this is preference, just like deciding who has the best looking wife. Stop wasting time...do like I did this morning, go shooting with a friend and family. No small bores (sub.400 caliber) allowed. Big Boy Toys, like a .450-400, 416 Rigby, and 550 Gibbs.

Rich
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Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost...

Someone's had a bit too much coffee... For the record, I don't have a wife, but I might have one of the better looking assortment of women who no longer talk to me

There are no aluminum parts on the .375 Ruger Hawkeye. I don't know how they make the "Rampant Ruger Eagle" engraving on the floorplate shine, but it ain't with aluminum.

Aglifter,

you sound like my brother. It took him four marriages to figure it out, and save time and grief. Every five years he goes out to a bar, gets shitfaced, takes the ugliest woman he can find home from the bar...and the next morning signs the house over to her.

Rich
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Originally posted by RIP:
There are no aluminum parts on the .375 Ruger Hawkeye. I don't know how they make the "Rampant Ruger Eagle" engraving on the floorplate shine, but it ain't with aluminum.

We all knew that except for Idaho Shooter.

I had a heavyweight 375 H&H (brno 602, similar to the CZ)

It was heavy, and not more shootable than the Alaskan.

Recoil for the 375's is pretty manageable, no need to add further weigth to a 375 unless you can't handle it. I don't recall needing shot bags to shoot my Alaskan or any other 375, I just use my regular bench set up for load work up.

I spent $30 and the trigger was nicely tuned up, it's as good as an now.

I can't find any aluminum on my Alaskan, but maybe I am missing something?

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Originally posted by Idaho Sharpshooter:
Aglifter,

you sound like my brother. It took him four marriages to figure it out, and save time and grief. Every five years he goes out to a bar, gets shitfaced, takes the ugliest woman he can find home from the bar...and the next morning signs the house over to her.

Rich
DRSS
Knowledge not shared is knowledge lost..

ouch

Is there a lot of difference in felt recoil between the two or are they about the same.I currently shoot a Marlin 45/70 guide gun so any comparison to that.
I am waiting for the lefty african to come out so thats my choice,I havent shot one yet and have not fired a 375 h&h.
375R should make a dam fine elk rifle.

To me this whole thread is inappropriate from the start. I bought a .375 Ruger Alaskan last week after getting to handle it at a gun show in NH. I don't own a .375 H&H and really never anticipated needing one. I was actually shopping for a .338 when I spied the Ruger so this was never about choosing the Ruger over the H&H.

As I stsated, I was looking for a .338 Win for moose, bear, chipmunk, or whatever. When I handled the Hawkeye it just felt incredibly handy, was very nicely put together, light, comfortable, and I just figured if a .338 is good then maybe a .375 would be even better! I took it to the range last Sunday and liked it even more after that. I'll post a range report after work.

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I currently shoot a Marlin 45/70 guide gun so any comparison to that.

If you shoot +P loads in your Marlin (like 405grains at 1850 fps), the recoil will be about the same. I don't notice any difference between my 45/70 and my old 375 H&H or my new 375 Ruger.

Cheers,
Canuck

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As I stsated, I was looking for a .338 Win for moose, bear, chipmunk, or whatever.

Slug,

My opinion for a long time has been that the 375 Ruger is the new 338.

Only fly in the ointent is if Wby Vanguard/Howa and others are set to go with a heavier barrel contour. 338 allows for the same barrel contour as they all use for 7mm Rem and 300 Win.

Mike

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Originally posted by Canuck:
If you shoot +P loads in your Marlin (like 405grains at 1850 fps), the recoil will be about the same. I don't notice any difference between my 45/70 and my old 375 H&H or my new 375 Ruger.

Cheers,
Canuck

I hope that's true, Canuck. I ran a recoil calculator and with full power loads it looked like the 375 Ruger would generate about 30-40% more ft-lbs of recoil than the Marlin GG. I have both rifles but haven't yet shot my 375 Ruger. If it doesn't buck more than +P loads in the Marlin then it's a real winner.

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Originally posted by Slatts:

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Originally posted by Canuck:
If you shoot +P loads in your Marlin (like 405grains at 1850 fps), the recoil will be about the same. I don't notice any difference between my 45/70 and my old 375 H&H or my new 375 Ruger.

Cheers,
Canuck

I hope that's true, Canuck. I ran a recoil calculator and with full power loads it looked like the 375 Ruger would generate about 30-40% more ft-lbs of recoil than the Marlin GG. I have both rifles but haven't yet shot my 375 Ruger. If it doesn't buck more than +P loads in the Marlin then it's a real winner.

Your comments made me curious, so I had to check them out on a recoil calculator myself...just to see if my shoulder is that insensitive (ie. 30 to 40% out!).

Here is what I got:

45/70 Marlin 1895SS, 6.75 lbs, 405gr bullet at 1800 fps (47gr RL 7) = 42.3 ft lbs of recoil

375 H&H or Ruger, 9 lb rifle (Hawkeye + scope), 300 gr bullet at 2600 fps (71gr of RL 15) = 43.6 ft lbs of recoil

Pretty darn close, IMHO.

Cheers,
Canuck

I didn't run out and sell my 300 H&H or my 375 H&H just to get me a Ruger BUT, if I were in the market today I would give the Ruger a lot of brownie points.

I think the Ruger Safari model is the best buy on the market for a big bore factory rifle and better than anything else to come down the pike in years..

I think the 375 Ruger case is an excellent design and one of the best anybody has come out with..

I think the Ruger Alaskan is a work horse and has about all one needs to go hunting with..

So having no need for one of the Rugers, I built me a 416/375 Ruger wildcat on a Mauser action I had laying around the shop..Its pretty neat, and now I have another gun I don't really need, but one I wanted, maybe my next will be a 404/375 Ruger, so I may sell the 416/375 Ruger and start all over...Neat well designed case, it will be a hard one to beat and the wildcatter will be in their glory for awhile...

Ruger, good on ya!

I went to get SS Alaskan at Gander Mountain, but came back home with minty 1950 vintage Model 99EG chambered for 300Sav.
Had plenty of money left for ammo and Kalispel AL rifle case.

Does "minty" mean "mint" condition or does it mean the "opposite"

I only ask because "minty" sounds like a.........well...it is only a lolly

Your posting would indicate that "minty" is good for a rifle.

Mike

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Originally posted by The Slug:
... I was actually shopping for a .338 when I spied the Ruger so this was never about choosing the Ruger over the H&H...

thats interesting, i ordered 375hh some yrs ago, went to pick it up,but came home with a .338win and never regreted it.

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Originally posted by Atkinson:
I didn't run out and sell my 300 H&H or my 375 H&H just to get me a Ruger BUT, if I were in the market today I would give the Ruger a lot of brownie points.

I think the Ruger Safari model is the best buy on the market for a big bore factory rifle and better than anything else to come down the pike in years..

I think the 375 Ruger case is an excellent design and one of the best anybody has come out with..

I think the Ruger Alaskan is a work horse and has about all one needs to go hunting with..

So having no need for one of the Rugers, I built me a 416/375 Ruger wildcat on a Mauser action I had laying around the shop..Its pretty neat, and now I have another gun I don't really need, but one I wanted, maybe my next will be a 404/375 Ruger, so I may sell the 416/375 Ruger and start all over...Neat well designed case, it will be a hard one to beat and the wildcatter will be in their glory for awhile...

Ruger, good on ya!

Excellent post Ray.....dead on!