We're always hearing this argument about double rifles versus bolt gun versus single shots, especially in a DGR.
Wouldn't it be fun to assemble a team of shooters who are experienced with these actions in large calibers and film them engaging in a five-shot exercise?
I suggest five shots with the idea that the double man must break his gun at least three times, the bolt man must top up at least once, and the singleshot enthusiast ... well, will have his concentration and coordination sorely tested.
An interesting five-shot course might be three shots at a stationary target at 50 yards, and after the third shot, a second charging target moving toward the gunner from 50 for the last two. This might represent an unseen lioness, or a second buff, etc.
I would expect the double man to come out on top, closely followed by the bolt man. The shooter of interest would of course be the single shooter. Just how far behind would he be?
This wouldn't prove anything, and yet I suspect all of us who love big bores and DGRs would get a huge kick out of such an exercise.

would have to be 6 shot .. most cz's will take 5

Jeffe: Or we can make the CZ guy load four.

Given equally adept gun handling, I think it's clear that the DR will be quicker to the second aimed shot, but slower to the third and fourth shots because of the reload.

George

But then Doug Turnbull will show up with a 475 that will hold 6 or 8 rounds and sound like someone is shooting a semiauto .. ... I don,t think the games man ship of making someone reload is valid .. If someone has a 458 with a 20 round stick , I say , Whinde on er !!!!!!! If you can build , buy , or borrow it , shoot it !!!!!!

I know its a semi-auto and we can't take that to much of Africa, but it should win the time between shot speed, and reload time contest.

http://www.mccannindustries.co...arand/458garand.html

No semis; lever guns only if at least 4,000 foot pounds?

Been done many times and comes out the same each time. Exactly as George said.-Rob

My Turnbull 50 alaskan lever gun hold 8 in the tube and one in the chamber. Shooting 510 diameter 535 woodleighs over 2000 fps. My guess is it smokes the others on rapid fire on target.

RRA .458 socom is definitely a big bore... 10 down, 1 in the chamber... 240gr-600gr.... who wants to play????

The socom does not make 4000lbs of energy!
250 grain at 2000fps gives 2938.3 lbs energy and the 600 grain at 1000 fps gives 2664 lbs energy. But it would be fast and probably would really piss off a cape buffalo

I have hunted with both bolt rifles and doubles.

For DG I prefer the double.

Some of it is the romance and nostalga of Old Africa.

But the thing Bolt Rifle Trash do not under stand, it is NOT about firepower.

It is not about how fast you can shoot 4 or 5 shots.

When you shoot your elehants at 10 yards or less, it does not matter if you have a repeater that holds 20 rounds, you will not have the TIME to use them.

It is about having 2 shots, with as near as 100% reliability in your gun, as man can make it.

I can shoot 4 rounds from a Blaser R 93 in 416 Rem Mag, faster than I can from any other elephant gun.... most of the time.

But with ANY repeater, you never know when you might have a malfunction, caused by the rifle of the shooter, does not matter, you might be dead if the first shot does not do the job.

With a double you have 2 quick shots, almost 100% of the time. You might get a reload, you might not, but you can just about guarentee you will have the two shots, and can hunt accordingly.

Double vs Bolt, it is not about speed, it is about Distance.

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Double vs Bolt, it is not about speed, it is about Distance.

Which makes me wonder how the old ones survived using just singles. I know, a number of them didn't ...

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Originally posted by double-rifle dandy:

But the thing Bolt Rifle Trash do not under stand,

is what, how to hold our little fingers out whilst we shoot? Indubitably!

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When you shoot your elehants at 10 yards or less, it does not matter if you have a repeater that holds 20 rounds, you will not have the TIME to use them.

you are just jealous that we have scopes, allowing us to shoot at the distant range of 15 yards, plus! If 10 yards is only time enough for 2, then 15 leaves time for three. time for a repeater!

450NE No2 needs the defense of no one. But I'll pitch in anyway.

It would be a rare day when three or four shots in a bolt will be better than two very quick shots with a double for either buff or elephant up close.

A good double guy will get the fourth off about as quickly as a fair bolt guy.

Either way, 450NE No2 will be leading the pack with whatever type he is using. He is an exceptional rifleman, equally adept with a bolt, lever action, single shot or drilling or even a double rifle.

JPK

With dangerous game You dont need 4-5 shots, what you need is to be able to shoot 1 or 2 accurately! The Dr does this better than anything else. They are hard to short stroke too!-Rob

That is the only thing that makes them appealing to me for Brown bear ... ...All the detractors tho ,cost , weight , rust , wood swelling and breaking ,comparative fragility and lack of versatility out weigh the possibility I will mess up with a bolt .

Double rifles are cool, if you have the disposable income. I like the bolts because they enable me to hunt more often. I still admire those that went after the nasties with a Farqueson.

John

99% of the guys I watch shoot big bores cant cycle the bolt for the next shot without taking the gun down from their shoulders. 470Mbogo and cannuck and maybe jeffe are the only known exceptions. If you cant run a bolt the fastest way known without short stroking it then what the heck good is 4-5 more in the box, if The only real good shot you get is the first one. Its probably hail mary on the second shot by the time you get back in position. This is where the double is a Major advantage. Oh yeah you'll hit em fer sure with no.3 when he's 150 yrds away.-Rob

The rigby length actions take some getting used to, if your length of pull is short you run the risk of giving yourself a black eye. When at the range, I'll cycle the bolt with the rifle mounted during recoil.

John