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CDNN is selling out their inventory in the $699 range for the various models. Is this a sign that the cartridges are fading away? I think if I owned one I would be contacting Hornady to stock up on brass. I figured it would be tough to make much headway against either the 375 H&H or 416 Rigby. If I wanted more HP I believe I'd do a 375 RUM. The old Rigby just has, IMHO, no competitors. It's pretty easy to add another 150fps to it. Another couple of interesting answers to a pair of questions nobody asked. RIP...? Rich | ||
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Reading the other thread, it appears they're only clearing out their old stock. Hard to generate sales of newer-new rifles when you still have some of the manufacturers older-new rifles on the rack. Prices seem to be inline with the 'street prices' sporadically offered for these products pre-2014. But I'm all ears if someone knows differently... Jim  "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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My wife bought a 375 Ruger this year. We're not worried about the Ruger cases 'fading away'. It looks to me like Ruger has a winner and the base is actually growing, not retreating. Nosler brass is 'online', Montana Rifles. It is a case design whose time had come come. The only real puzzle is why the "338 Ruger" hasn't come out yet. It would be better than the 338 WinMag and equivalent to the 340 Weatherby in a standard-length action. The 300 and 338 Compact Ruger were not good choices, in my opinion. They were the equivalent of 338-06 and hot 30-06 ballistics. Nevertheless, they are fine for hunting. But they can be achieved through handloading a 338WM or 300WM/WSM. So the "Compact Magnum" series may be stalled or dead in the water, but the 375 Ruger is a winner and a keeper. Hornady seems to sense that, too, by marketing (375)-Ruger Basic as well as 375 Ruger. That is a great case. It provides for the .30"-.40" bores what the Rigby provides for the .40-.50" bores. So are Ruger 375/416 'fading away'? Ha! Which will it be? Is it all over now? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...E&list=RDWB8pUZVLEzA or not fade away: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt_zum97kjE Enjoy. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Rich, i hear the 45/70 is fading away, once the army stopped using it ... and those rum carts are just stewpud! oh, wait, 15 years and counting... opinions vary band of bubbas and STC hunting Club Information on Ammoguide about the416AR, 458AR, 470AR, 500AR What is an AR round? Case Drawings 416-458-470AR and 500AR. 476AR, http://www.weaponsmith.com | |||
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Following up on the 375 Ruger case-- In a .308" calibre the 375 Ruger case would have equalled 300 Weatherby capacity, and done that in a standard length action. That would have turned heads instead of having people ask how to get 300 magnum velocity out of a case that only had room for 4 grains of powder over a 30-06? The 375 Ruger case would have provided about 25 grains of extra powder capacity, a significant increase. In a .338" calibre the 375 Ruger case would have equalled the 340 Weatherby capacity, and done that in a standard length action. Again, it would have avoided the question about how a company can claim to equal 338 WinMag performance with a case that was basically the same capacity as the 338-06? A 338 Ruger would have about an 11 grain capacity advantage over the 338 WinMag, not a lot, but significant. Will Ruger and Hornady pull a "classic-Coke reversal" campaign in the future and come out with the obvious extensions based on the 375 Ruger case? Who knows? Maybe they will do so after the crazy fear-driven market (2008-2016) subsides to normal supply-and-demand dynamics. 2017 may be a vintage year for Ruger. Personally, I'm pretty happy the way things are. The 375 Ruger is about a perfect balance for the .375" bore. I would give the nod to a 338 (375) Ruger if Ruger developed it and one had a choice between a 338WinMag and a 338 Ruger, other things equal. But smaller versions than .338" strike me as uninteresting or distracting. Bullet technology and hunting opportunities do not need a faster 270 Win, 30-06, or 300 WinMag. The 26 Nosler is a case in point. It will find a small niche somewhere. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I have a Ruger African in 375R & just bought a Savage Alaskan Guide gunin 375R with a plastic stock & 20" SS barrel from GrabaGun for $335. I hope they keep fading away so I can get dome more. A heck of a cartridge IMHO. I have a 338 Lapua Mag, look at the specs they are very close. "If a law is unjust, a man is not only right to disobey it, he is obligated to do so." - Thomas Jefferson | |||
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It looks like most of their inventory of walnut stocked rifles are left handed actions. The 375 & 416 Ruger are here to stay despite the negative comments of some. | |||
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Good to know. | |||
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They are just liquidating the older models or some odd things that were put together (probably to empty out parts bins) like the 20" alaskans in the laminated stock. All are great guns in an outstanding caliber that is getting more popular every year! "The difference between adventure and disaster is preparation." "The problem with quoting info from the internet is that you can never be sure it is accurate" Abraham Lincoln | |||
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Picture a hartebeest standing 175 yards away between some trees. Yes, a 243 broadside with a strong bullet into the heart will drop a hartebeest with no problem, but I'd feel safer with a 270, and even safer yet with a 338 or 375. A 375 Ruger means fewer surprises or runaway trackings. It's an outstanding calibre. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Rich, thanks! I ordered 2 Alaskans in 375 and 416 Ruger today. | |||
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Guys, I think the 338 ruger compact mag in a carbine rifle is ideal for alaskan hunters, etc. If you are fond of short-action the 338 ruger compact mag is the way to go rather than any wsm or saum. | |||
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It is nice cartridge/rifle combo and has much going for it including 100% powder burn from the 20” barrel with factory ammunition. But, depending upon your power needs, it may not be ideal… Using the generic QL net powder volumes when using the 225gr .338 NorthFork SS BondedCore bullet. Listed in order of net powder volume: .338 Marlin Express – COAL = 2.600”, H2O / Overflow = 61.00grs, Net = 47.6grs (Short Action Length) .338-06 A Square – COAL = 3.340”, H2O / Overflow = 69.00grs, Net = 58.46grs (Standard Action Length) .338 RCM – COAL = 2.800”, H2O / Overflow = 71.00grs, Net = 59.43grs (Short Action Length) .338/300 SAUM – COAL = 2.825”, H2O / Overflow = 75.78grs, Net = 64.41grs (Short Action Length) .340 Howell – COAL = 3.340”, H2O / Overflow = 78.30grs, Net = 65.48grs (Standard Action Length) .338/300 WSM – COAL = 2.860”, H2O / Overflow = 81.50grs, Net = 69.24grs (Short Action Length) .338/300 WSM – COAL = 3.000”, H2O / Overflow = 81.50grs, Net = 72.42grs (WSM Action Length) .338 WinMag – COAL = 3.340”, H2O / Overflow = 86.00grs, Net = 75.33grs (Standard Action Length) .330 Dakota – COAL = 3.330”, H2O / Overflow = 94.00grs, Net = 82.42grs (Standard Action Length) .340 Weatherby – COAL = 3.675”, H2O / Overflow = 100.00grs, Net = 89.56grs (Long Action Length) Listed in order of action length: .338 Marlin Express – COAL = 2.600”, H2O / Overflow = 61.00grs, Net = 47.6grs (Short Action Length) .338 RCM – COAL = 2.800”, H2O / Overflow = 71.00grs, Net = 59.43grs (Short Action Length) .338/300 SAUM – COAL = 2.825”, H2O / Overflow = 75.78grs, Net = 64.41grs (Short Action Length) .338/300 WSM – COAL = 2.860”, H2O / Overflow = 81.50grs, Net = 69.24grs (Short Action Length) .338/300 WSM – COAL = 3.000”, H2O / Overflow = 81.50grs, Net = 72.42grs (WSM Action Length) .338-06 A Square – COAL = 3.340”, H2O / Overflow = 69.00grs, Net = 58.46grs (Standard Action Length) .340 Howell – COAL = 3.340”, H2O / Overflow = 78.30grs, Net = 65.48grs (Standard Action Length) .338 WinMag – COAL = 3.340”, H2O / Overflow = 86.00grs, Net = 75.33grs (Standard Action Length) .330 Dakota – COAL = 3.330”, H2O / Overflow = 94.00grs, Net = 82.42grs (Standard Action Length) .340 Weatherby – COAL = 3.675”, H2O / Overflow = 100.00grs, Net = 89.56grs (Long Action Length) Jim "Life's hard; it's harder if you're stupid" John Wayne | |||
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I may need to buy a left handed one 375 ruger. Buying guns along side Biebs is like buying stocks along side Warren Buffett. Mike | |||
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Actually if you do not mind a rifle that is discontinued, they are a great buy. I like that version of the rifle better than the current one. I just have no need or interest in the ruger rounds. | |||
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Well, if the model is not continued in the future, at least we have ours now, without waiting for a re-run. The 375 Ruger cartridge itself will be a keeper, however the models change. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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In South Africa quite a lot of the Biltong Hunters bought .375 R rifles. The preference is for Howa 1500's since they are well priced and they shoot well. Mine has not "counted coup", but in July it should be good for at least 3 Blue Wildebeest. I need to make enough biltong and boerewors so I dont run out in March like this year. | |||
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I ordered one of the SS 375 Ruger Africans a few weeks ago from CDNN. I did not know they made a 23" SS model until I saw them for sale in the ad. I didn't care much for the laminate stock so ordered a Hogue 0vermold stock with a full length aluminum bed block in ghille tan. It added a little weight but not much. I put a Nikon Monarch 3 3-12x42 scope on it. Seems to be a very nice setup....even my 16 yr old son wants to shoot it. What's funny is the weekend after it came in I went to a gun show. My wife actually said it was OK if I bought a gun while I was there. When I got home I took the Ruger out of the safe and showed it to her. Told her look what I got  My son knows better but he won't rat me out....might use it for extortion tho. | |||
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Nice purchase. Nice for father and son bonding, too. You might want to save the laminate stock. I used a Hogue-stocked Ruger as a platform for a 500 AccRel and my trigger finger got bruised from the bolt handle. There were two easy fixes. a. use another stock with less of an upright pistol grip. b. use a dremel to grind down the bottom of the Hogue grip so that the hand can extend backwards and lay lower. However, the 375 may not thump a trigger finger anyway. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Ruger and Hornady have not put forth the advertising and marketing for the 416 that the 375 has enjoyed. I have a 416 Alaskan and love it but I sure wish we could get the same type of availability of stocks, brass, bullets etc that the 375 enjoys. I have wrote Nosler several times about an Accubond 416 in the 330 to 370 gr range with no reply. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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30378-- Try the Barnes TTSX in .416". It is 350 grains and has a BC of .444 I am also trying out some GSC 330 grains in .416" to see how they shoot in our rifles. If they do 1/2" groups, then I would use them in place of the TTSX. - I don't feel a lack of bullets in .416" and you have a great cartridge and rifle in the 416 Ruger. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Yeah, just checked they still have a LH 375R in walnut stock. I can't find a use for it, otherwise it would be tempting. | |||
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CEB has a few interesting bullets for the 416. heres a copper 350 gr with a BC of .55 https://cuttingedgebullets.com...d=action&key=MTH_V11 "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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Bought a left handed 375 from CDNN today. May make a nice little truck gun - I am going to keep it with iron sights. Now I need to get some cheap ammo. Mike | |||
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Mike, good protection against.....  | |||
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More cyber bullying There are African elephants within 20 miles of my house as a crow flies. They can escape from Disney's Animal Kingdom and attack me. I need to be protected. 375 R will do as a light truck rifle. Mike | |||
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Glad you got one in LH. Great buy on those rifles. | |||
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Any factory ammo besides Hornady for 375 R? Mike | |||
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I'm sure Superior, Safari Arms, and several other custom loading houses could make you up whatever you wanted. | |||
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I would also give Barnes a call and ask about their offerings in Vor-TX. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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Nosler has it listed in their new catalog so I doubt the caliber is fading away any time soon. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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The Ruger cartridges oursell the Rigby and H&H three to one here in SA and it will only get worse. It is currently easier to get 375 Ruger in many gunshops than H&H. Components are also freely available. For my money I would take a 416 Ruger over any of the other 416's but with a 458 M70 it makes no sense. The 458 with 450 gr solids does all I need and with 315 GS Custom HVs it shoots all my plains game too. Anything else falls just fine to a .303 or .308 Specialist Outfitters and Big Game Hounds An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last. - Winston Churchill | |||
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 The Lord knows I appreciate the 416 Rigby, but if I were starting out from scratch I believe that I would take the 416 Ruger, too. It's a great design. I'm thinking that the right powders could get 2700 fps with the 330 grain GSC in a 23" barrel. CEB might have something that fits, too. +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I am getting a little over 2600 in a 20 in B&M with 300gr Barnes X. I thought some about the Ruger but they were having stock issues when I was ready to buy, and I am a Big fan of the M70 action just like Michael so I ended up with the 416 B&M. The elephant and buff couldn't tell the difference----- "The rule is perfect: in all matters of opinion our adversaries are insane." Mark Twain TANSTAAFL www.savannagems.com A unique way to own a piece of Africa. DSC Life NRA Life | |||
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416Tanzan I have shot the 350gr TTSX a lot. The weak link to them is they are very long and my rifle has a very short throat. Max length for my chamber is 3.345" OAL and with 75gr of Varget it is a very accurate but also very compressed load to the extent of bullet deformation when seating to chamber tolerance. I am now working with IMR-8208. It is a faster burning powder but denser in weight allowing more room in the case. Accuracy is still good but need to get it on a chrony to check FPS. Free men should not be subjected to permits, paperwork and taxation in order to carry any firearm. NRA Benefactor | |||
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So the Ruger outsells the H&H 3 to 1 and is easier to get? Sounds like supply and demand more than popularity. Give me a break! Why would locals in SA need a 375? Jason "You're not hard-core, unless you live hard-core." _______________________ Hunting in Africa is an adventure. The number of variables involved preclude the possibility of a perfect hunt. Some problems will arise. How you decide to handle them will determine how much you enjoy your hunt. Just tell yourself, "it's all part of the adventure." Remember, if Robert Ruark had gotten upset every time problems with Harry Selby's flat bed truck delayed the safari, Horn of the Hunter would have read like an indictment of Selby. But Ruark rolled with the punches, poured some gin, and enjoyed the adventure. -Jason Brown | |||
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30378 It sounds like you are loading for a 416Ruger. If the 350gn TTSX tests OK, then fine. If not, you might try the GSC 330 gn since they are produced in USA now and much easier to get. The GSC is shorter and will probably fit a throat with 0.0" freebore.
Maybe because it's a great cartridge that is capable of anything even while on a meat hunt? +-+-+-+-+-+-+ "A well-rounded hunting battery might include: 500 AccRel Nyati, 416 Rigby or 416 Ruger, 375Ruger or 338WM, 308 or 270, 243, 223" -- Conserving creation, hunting the harvest. | |||
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I was wondering where all the "experts" who predicted the quick demise of the 375 and 416 Ruger rounds had gone. Anyone who claims the 30-06 is ineffective has either not tried one, or is unwittingly commenting on their own marksmanship Phil Shoemaker Alaska Master guide FAA Master pilot NRA Benefactor www.grizzlyskinsofalaska.com | |||
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