Hi
I have the chance to pick up Safarikids' .600OK for a REALLY good price.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...=943109955#943109955

The problem is it's REALLY light, about 9 pounds 5 oz. As we discussed in my shooting the .510 Van Horn, 600 grains at about 2150 fps is about ALL I think is wise for anyone to shoot, at least for me, out of a 9 pound rifle.

The choices are to make the rifle heavier, or, if I can find
some lighter, 600 grain .600 caliber bullets, go with that.

Any ideas on that?

The 900's seem a bit sluggish at 1900 fps, which is what they actually do, and, the 200 ft lbs of recoil has even the best recoil junkies shooting only one round, if that, at the shop.

I realize it won't exactly be a penetration king in that configuration, but, that's ok for my uses. Short range, light game stopping rifle.

Any suggestions would be great.

I do NOT want to end up like Sam Baker, with brain damage from my "Babies" recoil

GS

Lighter, monometal bullets would be better than adding weight, in my opinion.

George

Buy it and send it back to AHR for a muzzle break. But don't expect to have a lot of friends go hunting with you, lol.

So... Safarikid's found a 57 MM to switch to???

GS custom has a 750 mono metal bullet, that looks awesome.

Macifej could build you some if you ask nicely, or ordered enough.

http://www.2-bore.com/fnmonometal.html

Ed

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Originally posted by 505ED:
GS custom has a 750 mono metal bullet, that looks awesome.

Macifej could build you some if you ask nicely, or ordered enough.

http://www.2-bore.com/fnmonometal.html

Ed

Can we get GS monometals in the US, are they legal, and, will they arrive in a reasonable time frame???

Jacks going the 17th. Maybe I can get him to stop by GS, buy some bullets and bring them back...

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Originally posted by GS:

quote:

Originally posted by 505ED:
GS custom has a 750 mono metal bullet, that looks awesome.

Macifej could build you some if you ask nicely, or ordered enough.

http://www.2-bore.com/fnmonometal.html

Ed

Can we get GS monometals in the US, are they legal, and, will they arrive in a reasonable time frame???

Jacks going the 17th. Maybe I can get him to stop by GS, buy some bullets and bring them back...

I know that www.custombrassandbullets.com carries GS custom. There was another poster that posted here for awhile carried them. I think he was from Alaska.

Gerard, seems like a fine fellow and he post here as well. I'm going to do some test work with a few of his bullets to see if the will fit my need.

Ed

I have 750 gr cup point bullets with a super cavitating nose design that work extremely well in the .600Ok. I got something like 2800fps with them and fantastic penetration. I also make bullets in lots less than 1000.-Rob

Rob:

Do you have a CNC machine, or, do you do the bullets by hand?

I have access to a Lathe, but, it's quite a bit of work, if I understand the necessary cuts.

Does anyone make a mold for lead bullets for this caliber?

Does anyone sell lead bullets for this caliber?
Thanks

GS

GS

The 600 OK is a .620" groove rifle. Load it with any .620" bullet. (I wouldn't use lead or cup & core bullets). Just about everyone makes them. We make a bullet designed specifically for that cartridge and rifle. Wayne can give you some feedback on this bullet.

See This Thread

I may have a box available.

What light weight 600 OK of Safari Kids is for sale right now?? Did I miss something???? My regular state of confusion is working over time. Too much arguing with insurance companies.

GS- yes all my bullets are CNC. Since I invented the cartridge I have alot of info on what makes it tick. -Rob

Never really even considered this until this one came up. Rob, I'm sure you've posted a LOT of info about this. Any favorite primers or links to start my education?

What do you charge for each bullet, and, why don't you suggest lead bullets?

My recoil tolerance has been tested to 600 grains @ 2200 fps, out of a .510 Van Horn.

How do I get this rifle to recoil in that range, or, what are your favorite methods of taming the beast?

Thanks

GS

Mate I'll say it if no one else will. Its one of the world's best cartridges designed by a great guy in a well made rifle but at that weight, for most purposes , its a piece of fucking junk.

A nice way to say it is a 9lb 600 class gun is about as specialised as one can get. It has 'one shot safari then sell or wall hang' written all over it.

If you are a guy who wants to play around with bullets, velocities, maybe shoot a thing or two and impress your buddies at the range from time to time you need to add a few lbs.

As to how you get the rifle at the '600gn bullet at 2200 fps level of recoil'

Its by shooting 600gn bullets out of it at 2200fps. Very simple

So you need to decide if you are happy to have a 600 that runs at that reduced power.

We've but a couple for clients and ive shot acouple they are pretty decent but 9 lbs is kind of on the light side i had one that was 13lbs and when pushing the 900s still felt kind of light but if you want it go for it its none of our rifle none of us have to like it or shoot it so I say if its what your heart desires then by all means get it

Heck -9lbs isnt all that bad. If your gonna hunt africa,your gonna be carrying that gun a long time.I've carried a 13lb gun for 10 miles in 100 degree temps and it flat wore me down. I'd hunt with that gun anyday. For two shots you can stand the recoil of the .600Ok and in all the excitement the recoil may not feel so bad. It wont be FUN at that weight even with a 900gr bullet at 2200fps but its doable. If it were mine I'd stick to the 750gr bullets at 22200 fps for practice and 900grs strictly for hunting. Like all big bores you can load it down to 45-70 levels with XMP7744 and lead bullets it you want to. PM me for more info. BTW, if and when my Montana PH actions ever arrive, one will go into a 9lb .600Ok for Piggie popping.-Rob

750's @ 2150 fps
Recoil Energy of 161 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 35 fps.
900's @ 2150 fps
Recoil Energy of 213 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 38 fps.
600's @ 2150 fps
Recoil Energy of 117 foot pounds, and Recoil Velocity of 28 fps.

HMMM.
The GOOD news is the velocity of the gun doesn't go up by a huge amount, even though the recoil does.

GS that's the same good news that a punch from a 300lb guy is only the same velocity as one from a 150lb guy.

Bigbore guys all like to encourage one another on a new project. So you get a lot of posts about how '9lbs isn't that bad', can be dealt with, and I wish I had one myself etc.

But I don't think you'll find many 9lb 600's in actual current ownership.
Ask..

I represent the other extreme.Building a heavier gun and getting fit enough to carry it.(which has a range of other benefits...like keeping people fit and healthy). We were in fashion here ten years ago,and quite ruled the roost on gun weight, but the ultra light guys
have taken over I noticed again. Or maybe its because we all got ten years older Just letting you know there are other options.

Karl.

Im all for heavy guns 10 1/2 pounds and above for me

I own a 9lb 600 overkill and that includes the scope. It is a kicker, but totally shootable.

Anyone have pictures of the muzzle brakes used on the .600 OK?

Thanks

GS

GS,
which of Kids rifles are you looking at???

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Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
GS,
which of Kids rifles are you looking at???

Guns up at Jack Huntington's shop. I'm pretty sure its the one I linked to, above:


That's by the discription and weight from the phone call.

Now if Tom can stop by and tell us which one it is...


I've had the chance to shoot a number of Tom's projects, and, they are always a ton of fun.

GS, they aren't the best for looking at the X-Brake but these pics show it.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...871052201#7871052201

Also, here are two videos comparing the same rifle with and without the brake.

http://forums.accuratereloadin...4711043/m/3741092801

GS,
Tom had a lightweight one made by AHR, that had an all black kevlar stock. He sold it to a guide in Alaska and the guy sent it back to AHR to put a brake on it and add 3 or 4 lbs to it. Maybe he changed the stock on it. The gun in the picture was Toms first one and is also on the AHR home web site leaning against the cape buffalo. It, along with the super lightweight Rouge that was made for Tom by Bijou Creek, are in my safe now. Tom and I have swapped several guns over the past few years So maybe the gun at Jacks is the first one I mentioned. Just a little info for you.

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GS,
Tom had a lightweight one made by AHR, that had an all black kevlar stock. He sold it to a guide in Alaska and the guy sent it back to AHR to put a brake on it and add 3 or 4 lbs to it.

Bigdoggy,

That may be the rifle Tom sold me...

All black, 20"bbl, 9lbs unbraked...

I shot it a few times as is and then sent it back to AHR and had lead added to the stock, a quarter rib with Talley QDR rings, and the X-brake...

Trims out at 12lbs now...

It was controllable before the mods but is now much more shootable...

It's going to Zim with me in August for double buffalo...

I'd post some before and after pics but don't have any on me right now...

GS,

Either way you decide to go you'll be happy...

Tom is a stand up guy and AHR a great operation to deal with...

Matt V.

Thanks all for the help on the lineage.
I'll have to run up and have a look, when Jack gets back from Safari.

IIRC, it's 9 lbs 5 oz, no brake, and Sean, who posts here and shoots a .500 NE like it's a 22lr, says it kicks like a mule, but worse...

Get it! you wont notice the recoil when your poking big holes in critters!

WHAT kind of meat damage do you get???

A lot if the velocity is over 2300fps
Just going off what a 585 does, the 600 should be even better.
Gutshots are the best on small game, preferably after they have just eaten
No holes, just a split

GS- Maybe Jeffe will post the famous DOE Pic taken when I shot one with my 585 Nyati. The .600 at 2300fps will be worse yet.-Rob

What about sabots high density polymer or aluminum to a .510 0r .458?

Or-- Aluminum projectiles for non- DG use?

Tom here!...Ok,I will also attach a link to one of my gunsmiths shooting one of my former .600OK's with 900s at 2100fps and Mike is under 200pds) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wGfu3Rge8Xo ..There is a exageration though,it is NOT 9 pds "Karl"(poster above)!It IS 8pds,3 Fucking ounces! (on my digital postal scale)It has a 16" SS Fluted barrel with peep sites and INTEGRAL Brake.The Removable brakes work the best as AHR uses and and I have had 3 of there Big guns with those (2-.600s and 1-.700)They WORK!AHR(Wayne)does a Fantastic Job with the rifles and the brake system....I am about to have #7 .600 delivered,but it WILL be a tad heavier at 9pds with a long 21" barrel! My double 600 at 13pds Hurts at 1950fps?! But,the Bolt guns even 5 pds lighter dont,due to the brake and stock design.My other pals 600 Jeffery at 14 1/2pds isnt bad,but after many hot Safari's chasing buff and elephant,you can have the Heavy Ones(I am in good shape at 5'11-235,but that damn heat!)...The gunbearer carried my 27pd 4- bore,but thats all)
My 600 that is on AHR's Website leaning on the dead buff is 9pds unscoped and I HUNT with it with NO brake,NO Problem as I NEVER feel the recoil in the field when hunting DG! And Yes,Big entrance and exit holes,great shock too!
I dont have any 600s for sale at Jacks,Unless it was a old Mauser I sold to him that he was to rework?But no AHRs or Bijou Creeks? BIGDOGGY has 3 of them from me and he may sell that pretty 9 pounder(10 1/2pds with scope,mnts,sling and 3 rounds of ammo) and it does have the AHR Removable Brake....Please enjoy the video and please note the "recoil" and also the Awesome Power of a 900gr Woodleigh at 2100fps from a 16" when it knocks a 55gallon drum full of water over on its side!

This is NOT the gun at Jacks,BIGDOGGY owns it now..He may sell....By the way,I shot that Zebra at 139yds with a 900 grainer at 2100....The Woodleigh Did NOT come out the other side!They are to soft for those speeds and Will come apart as another did on a Huge Warthog at 20 yds which also NEVER came out,but it went lenghtways to his rear end and stopped,but boy,what a MESS inside!ha!

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Originally posted by GS:

quote:

Originally posted by bigdoggy700:
GS,
which of Kids rifles are you looking at???

Guns up at Jack Huntington's shop. I'm pretty sure its the one I linked to, above:


That's by the discription and weight from the phone call.

Now if Tom can stop by and tell us which one it is...


I've had the chance to shoot a number of Tom's projects, and, they are always a ton of fun.