Best Big Bore to do all of your shooting

05 April 2003, 19:21

Mike375

Brian,

You are allowed to talk about 378s, 416 and 460 Wbys, 375 Ultras etc on the big bore forum but not the African forum [Smile]

For Africa different calibres take on a special power. For example, a 375 H&H is near perfect with a 300 grain bullet at 2500 plus. However a 460 Wby with a 500 grain bullet and higher SD at 2500 plus is all of sudden going to fast.

A 416 Rigby offers lower pressure when loaded to 2400 than does the 416 Remington and the 416 Rigby is also rimless. A 375 Ultra offers lower pressure when loaded to 375 H&H ballistics and the 375 Ultra is also a rimless case. However the 375 Ultra is a reject [Big Grin]

Mike

05 April 2003, 19:36

RIP

Yep, Mike, I know, and it is still the .416 Rigby, "hands down."

I will be looking to add to the stable, such as a featherweight .416 Rigby in synthetic and stainless with 300 grain bullets at 3,000 fps for sheep hunting, etc.

I just gotta have any and every variation of rifle imaginable in .416 Rigby. I might even stoop to double rifles.

Any suggestions for rifle designs and diversified uses for the King of Cartridges, y'all? Serious or sarcastic, I would be interested to hear any .416 Rigby ideas.

05 April 2003, 20:08

pyronecro

458 Winmag, but looking forward to returning from the middle east so I can get a 400 H&H built

05 April 2003, 20:21

Mike375

RAB

A definite possibility for the 416 Rigby is to have one on a Weatherby Mark V, preferably a Made in Japan model [Smile]

. At least one inlay should be enough to produce a rifle that will be as equally irritating to many as it will be functional. In fact you have a nice switch barrel setup between the 416 Rigby and 416 Weatherby.

Mike

06 April 2003, 06:15

Atkinson

Hmmmmmmmmm, you mean I can only have one gun to hunt the world with for the rest of my life? If so, that changes the whole picture and I'll have to toss out my 375, 404 and 416...

I would have to take the old 30-06 and I could shoot rockchucks to Elephant with proper bullets. Pres. Teddy did it and so could I, albiet I got a lot better choice of bullets..A pocket full of GS Solids solids and premium softs like a Nosler 200 gr. and I'm good....

06 April 2003, 06:24

Mike375

Ray,

The minimum calibre/case capactity has to be at least 375 H&H. You can have 1 rifle or 50 rifles but they must all be in your selected calibre.

Note: 9.3s are not allowed as that is below 375 [Smile]

Mike

06 April 2003, 10:45

Mickey1

Mike375 (Medium Bore Mike)

If a 9.3 is not a big bore than neither is a .375 of any discription. 40 Cal or larger.

RAB

I think a 6lb, .416 Rigby Ultralite for Sheep hunting is a natural. You could shoot the !NEW! 120 grain Aluminum/Titanium Bullets at 4000fps. They have a BC of over 8 with the driving bands, a wide meplat and expansion of over 5 times bullet diameter. They are the perfect bullet for the Rigby.

You can send your order to Axel Dempel, include certified check for $100 per 50 bullets.

06 April 2003, 11:27

Brian M

Mike,
Heck,on the Big Game forum,I just found out that I have "more money than brains" because I shoot Weatherbys.

I guess them guys plunking down $8,000 for a D'arcy Echols don't apply huh? [Razz]

Brian.

06 April 2003, 12:58

RIP

Mickey,
Ah, you wouldn't tease me, would you? I do see you have good understanding of the "one big bore for everything" concept, but I think you are talking through your hat on the bullet thing.

Can't wait to get my hands on a six pound titanium .416 Rigby with graphite and kevlar stock, a pop up peep and a gold blade sourdough front, with a couple of scopes in matching titanium mounts. Put a matte black finish on everything for me, eh?

06 April 2003, 13:24

onefunzr2

The 375 H&H is considered a big-bore on this forum 'cause Saeed said so.

But my choice would be the 416 Rem if I really had to have just one to do it all.

Groundhogs beware!

07 April 2003, 04:10

snowman

I can't see a trip to Africa happening unless I win the lottery so I would have to say my 375 Wby followed by the 416 Rem. Both are built on Rem P14 actions and handling is very similar

08 April 2003, 09:38

LAWCOP

.375H&H... BIG enough to take an elephant if you have to but easily capable of taking deer at 400 yds. Very accurate cartridge and rifle combos out there.
Mine is a Model 70 in a McMillan Kevlar stock, with a McArthur brake and a Griffin&Howe quick detatchable scope mount so can go from scope to irons and back quickly.
Weighs a hair under 8 pounds and recoil is similar to a hot .243Win. Ammo available everywhere on the planet they have guns.

second choice..why would you need one?

IT is ALWAYS about shot placement NOT about energy tables. The .375H&H is an easy rifle to shoot WELL....no matter what the "reasonable range".

08 April 2003, 23:49

Karl

Atkinson hit the nail on the head with Mike's reminder that we have to use this calibre for ALL shooting.

All our range work, target fun,varmint hunting, vermin, small game and big game and just plain plinking with this calibre.
Anything you use a 22 for to be replaced by this big bore.

I'll be taking the smallest thing allowed in this scenario to preserve my nerves/finances/hearing/neck and retinas

375

Karl.

Karl

13 April 2003, 11:33

Atkinson

OK Mike, now you went and did it.... I'm ticked, I'm taking my 9.3 x62, 30-06 and my toys and I'm going home, I won't play with you anymore! [Razz]

14 April 2003, 16:12

POP

378 WBY

15 April 2003, 15:36

bwanamrm

My vote goes to the .416 Rem Mag followed by the .416 Rigby, primarily because the ammo is cheaper for the Rem Mag! Then again I've got a nice Brno custom .375H&H that hates to be left at home.............I've got it......I'll let Sterling Davenport build me a .375 Weatherby to match my .416 Rigby...........no wait a 404 Jeffery built by AHR .............maybe a .375 RUM by HS Precision? Heck, I need a night job!All of this wondering and wishing is costing me money!

15 April 2003, 23:53

<JOHAN>

quote:
Originally posted by DaggaRon:
Can't wait to get my hands on a six pound titanium .416 Rigby with graphite and kevlar stock, a pop up peep and a gold blade sourdough front, with a couple of scopes in matching titanium mounts. Put a matte black finish on everything for me, eh?

I guess you want this one on a short action to save weight, give Axel or Todd E a call [Big Grin]

They will take care of it, long actions are just bull shit for nostalgic people like me [Wink]

Pack your old rifles in a good case and ship to me, soo that you won't be questioning your ideas of this "super rifle" [Big Grin]

/ JOHAN

[ 04-15-2003, 14:53: Message edited by: JOHAN ]

18 April 2003, 09:12

Atkinson

Mike 375,
Well you pinned me down, so I will go with the 416 Rem. and be done with it...300 gr. bullet at 3000 plus, 350 at say 2800 and a 400 at 2550 would be hard to beat...

The 416 Rem. is just a better 375 anyway you cut it, but I would hate to go through life without one of each...I wouldn't have a 416 Rigby if my life depended on it, they suck, big ole case and monsterous action, gag, choke, ug !!

Sorry Dagga, the devil made me say it just to fire you up a little, really didn't mean it, it is a grand caliber....

30 April 2017, 22:29

DLS

I have a .416 Hoffman, which is outstanding as a big bore, but if I had to do it again, I'd have bought a .416 Remington only because you can buy factory ammunition. Yes, I know you can shoot .416 Rem in the Hoffman. I think it's a great compromise between the smaller .375s and the big .45s. I get 2,510 fps with a 400 grain bullet and that is a real killer that is fairly flat shooting for a big bullet.

However, I'm now facing buying a big bore for my son, who'll likely only do a few safaris in his lifetime as he has a bad addiction to tournament bass fishing. The big bore he will be getting... .375H&H. It's so shootable and practical that I don't know why anyone needs something bigger unless he does a fair amount of buffalo and elephant hunting.

01 May 2017, 00:58

mart

62 replies and still no one got the right answer. The 400 Whelen of course, is the right answer.

"...I advise the gun. While this gives a moderate exercise to the body, it gives boldness, enterprize, and independance to the mind. Games played with the ball and others of that nature, are too violent for the body and stamp no character on the mind. Let your gun therefore be the constant companion of your walks." Thomas Jefferson

01 May 2017, 03:38

Biebs

This thread is from 2003...it's 14 years old!!!

01 May 2017, 03:48

boom stick

quote:
Originally posted by mart:
62 replies and still no one got the right answer. The 400 Whelen of course, is the right answer.

Almost right...
400 HH or 400 Karamojo.
It's hard to beat the 416 Rigby for this question.

01 May 2017, 05:03

Hogbreath

.458 Lott

01 May 2017, 05:38

Grandpasez

Our 585HE, he said ''big bore''

Load from 14,000 ft lbs down to 5000 ft lbs..Ed

01 May 2017, 06:58

deadibob

quote:
Originally posted by Rod@MRC:
The 375 H&H in my Ackley chambered rifle hit very close to same POI of the powered-up version. And with 88gr of V550, the 270gr Hornady impinges upon and sometimes crosses the 2900fps barrier, and at nice low pressures. Kind of edges into 375 Ultramag turf in a rifle that will shoot the stuff found round the world in a pinch. The recoil isn't unmanageable either, much like its parent. Used to believe the .416 was next, but the 400gr bullets at 2400 (almost) really belt hard. Kind of like a 300 Weatherby on a huge dose of steroids. And then...I shot my first .458 Lott with 500gr loads pushing 2300fps and it was like a big push rather than a slam. Let's see...25% more throw weight, 21% more frontal area. Similar velocities, better SD and BC....and it shoots the venerable .458win in a pinch. Neither .416Rem or Rigby are rumored to be all that available round the world. Gotta look real hard at the .458 Lott. And the number of whitetail that have fallen to my Carbon Extreme with Steath cams (circa 1992) still outnumber those to all other means. 540grains, traveling 262fps, 68# draw-weight. About 7MOA out to 35yards. <img border="0" title="" alt="[Smile]" src="images/icons/smile.gif" /> [ 03-22-2003, 08:43: Message edited by: Rod@MRC ]

Brings back memories of my High-Country days

01 May 2017, 08:55

10generation

Working on a .404 Jeff, if I can get the 300 grain CEB raptors to shoot well in it, that plus a 400 grain TSX will make it my one rifle.

01 May 2017, 09:08

badboymelvin

.458WM would be my choice.
Heaps of bullet choices from 300gr @2700+ fps up to 500gr @2150fps.
Can be used for anything from deer to elephant.
I've in fact just recently sold all but 1 of my centrefire rifles. The one I kept had to be used as my all round rifle and I decided to keep my .458.
The .458 (and the Lott) with the right load can be more versatile than a lot of people give them credit for...

01 May 2017, 09:22

Buglemintoday

Had a 458 win mag and a 458 Lott....now I have a 45/70 and a 416 rem mag

I think either is enough gun for North America

01 May 2017, 11:08

chuck375

My 500 Jeffery, I already do all of my hunting with it. Elk, black bear, feral hogs. No jack rabbits yet but soon.

01 May 2017, 11:54

RIP

quote:
Originally posted by Biebs:
This thread is from 2003...it's 14 years old!!!

And the very precept of this thread is preposterous! Like telling a kid to go sit in the corner of a round room.
Impossible!
I was that kid 14 years ago.

There is more than one way to skin a wildcat.

Riflecrank Incurable Permanente

01 May 2017, 12:37

416RigbyHunter

If I was limited to only ONE for hunting, it would be a no brainer and I would choose my 416 Rigby.

If it was for a stopping rifle while someone else hunted, then it would be my 505 Gibbs.

Cheers.

02 May 2017, 14:40

416Tanzan

quote:
Originally posted by 416RigbyHunter:
If I was limited to only ONE for hunting, it would be a no brainer and I would choose my 416 Rigby.

If it was for a stopping rifle while someone else hunted, then it would be my 505 Gibbs.

Cheers.

We're on the same page.
416 works great from buffalo, to antelope at any African distance when 350TTSX loaded to 2800fps, to guinea fowl. My stopper is a similar class to the 505, a light-carrying 500 AccRel Nyati.

Guinea fowl at 50 yards:

Oribi at 200 yards:

02 May 2017, 15:29

wow where has the time gone I originally replied in 2003 my choice stays the same.

07 May 2017, 10:17

Karl

Me too. What a thread resurrection, 14 years old.

10 May 2017, 22:23

Atkinson

Don't you guys know you can bribe a game scout with a $20.00 bill and use a 30-06, 9.3x62 or a 30-30 for that matter..

10 May 2017, 23:22

416Tanzan

quote:
Originally posted by Atkinson:
Don't you guys know you can bribe a game scout with a $20.00 bill and use a 30-06, 9.3x62 or a 30-30 for that matter..

You can do that, but why would you?
I like to grab that biggest, accurate rifle available. Now if I run across a buffalo in a forest with a 338 and happen to have a buffalo on a license, that is a different story.

PS: some of the Game wardens will only write a license for buffalo if there is a 375 or greater in the hunter's arsenal. I suppose one can bribe them, too, but then you undermine the system that is trying to protect the wildlife.