Just got back from the shooting range and I must say recoil is not as bad as I thought. The first shot was all adrenaline and was really not bad the second shot actually cut my thumb because I had it to close to the safety when I pulled the trigger....Good Times but I did notice that the last time I fired it the rifle tried to torque itself out of my hands. Maybe I would have had better control shooting standing up instead of shooting off the bench. I am actually left wanting more! More power that is.

Good on ya.. those facotry loads?

If you shoot from the bench do NOT NOT NOT ever have a bigbore with the butt resting on the bench, in any fashion!!

cut thumb? from a tang safety? heh, wonder how many times I've said that can happen...

Torquing ?!? heh, that part won't ever go away!

jeffe

I want to go bigger I was thinking of getting a barrel made in 577 T Rex

Cool. Congrats on a real big bore experience.

So now you know you can take it. No need to be in any panic to try something even bigger. Next logical step is...how well can you shoot it? Any monkey (gorilla?) can stand behind a 460W, grit their teeth, close their eyes and jerk the trigger. Not too many will actually be able to "shoot" that thing though. As a fer instance, everyone that has ever tried my 470 Mbogo has done pretty well handling the recoil for the first two or three shots. Granted, the recoil on my Mbogo isn't quite as "fierce" as a R#1 in 460 Weatherby, but it close enough to show that just being able to shoot it and smile afterward isn't a real big deal.

Cheers,
Canuck

I very well remember the first time I shot the .460 Weatherby Mag. I too found that the recoil was not all that bad, one just has to position the butt of the rifle on the shoulder just right. I did my shooting from a standing position and fired two shots. After the .460 experience I fired the .378 Weatherby Mag. which I found had a more unconfortable "sharper" recoil. It was interesting to fire these two monsters anyway.

The first shot of a big bore is typically not nearly as bad as one expects.

The real deciding factor is if at the end of a box of ammo you are flinching or not.

An acquaintance, 15 years ago, bought a "second hand" Weatherby cal. 460 WM, from a friend of him, who bought it new, only shot a couple of rounds with it and had a broken tooth. He was so angry at this rifle that he sold it immediately for 50% of his price.

If you reload, try 112gr of H4350 under the 500gr bullet. I use cheap Hornadies for practice. My rifle is on a 602 Brno and is a pussy cat with this load. If my memory serves, it yields about 2370FPS. I've not shot any factory loads so I guess I have not had the true Weatherby experience

Ask 700 Nitro what the recoil is like from a doubled .577 NE 3".....

How many wore out 460 Wby barrels have you seen ?

The 460 barrels have an inherent ability to survive throat erosion. Seem to last forever.

Have never met a gunsmith who replaced a 460 barrel due to throat erosion.

Hammer

i got one not too long ago myself. the recoil wasn't nearly as bad as i expected either, with the muzzle break off it hits a little harder however.

I like el jeffes test. Shoot a string of groups with the 460, then shoot a 22, preferably one you have grouped before, then repeat the 460 and 22. If there is no flinching or heavy trigger pull, your grouping should be a reflection of nice relaxed shooting.
E.g. Don_G & Canucks targets with their 416s and 470 Mbogo.

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Have never met a gunsmith who replaced a 460 barrel due to throat erosion.

Hammer

I have (met one that is), gun belonged to a former poster on this site (met him also).

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Originally posted by jeffeosso:
If you shoot from the bench do NOT NOT NOT ever have a bigbore with the butt resting on the bench, in any fashion!!

jeffe

Jeffe,

Excuse my dim wittedness. I am not picturing what you are talking about. Are you saying that the toe of the rifle shouldn't touch any part of the bench? Or am I missing the point? Are you just saying that the butt of the rifle should be against your shoulder and nothing else?

I think he's refering to accidently chipping the toe if it's in contact with the hard surface, like dropping it butt-down on the toe.

If you have the stock forearm resting on a rest, and the butt in your shoulder, when you shoot it, the rifle comes back.. with muzzle lift and alot of force.

if you have the butt (toe) on the bench, any force going UP at the muzzle, assuming the buttstock is firm to your shoulder as well, is going to go into the stock, rather than your shoulder. not a normal force on the stock.

not a great plan... i BELIEVE the reason I lost 2 stocks on a 500 jeffe was partialy due to shooting it off the bench... might not have been, but I haven't lost a big bore stock since I stopped "bench resting" big bores.

besides, the lead sled does wonders for me!!

jeffe

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Originally posted by Tailgunner:

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Originally posted by Hammer:
Have never met a gunsmith who replaced a 460 barrel due to throat erosion.

Hammer

I have (met one that is), gun belonged to a former poster on this site (met him also).

Well, there's one.

And guess there are probably more that I haven't known about. Guess I was too fast to comment.

Appreciate hearing about this one. How many rounds did it take to erode the throat ?

Hammer

You want more recoil, well just stoke the WBY up a bit more with some nice hot handloads. 500 grs at 2650 is pretty doable in the 460 Wby. Try some 600 gr bullets too! If you can keep all shots offhand on a paper plate at 50 yrds then consider you can really handle something bigger. IF you can't pass that test keep practicing till you can. Great fun isn't it.-Rob

Try putting a scope on it too. That'll keep you honest (ie. keep you from cheating too much with your shooting form), and adds another level of difficulty in adjusting to recoil.

Cheers,
Canuck

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Originally posted by Canuck:
Try a scope.... adds another level of difficulty in adjusting to recoil.

Cheers,
Canuck

Heh, like dodging a lobotomy!!!
(rubs brow)...
Chris, did YOU try the ackley? Got chadd, not me.

jeffe

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Heh, like dodging a lobotomy!!!

Love it! I'll have to use that one.

"try the ackley"?? Who's do you mean?

I thought I'd mention the scope thing as I have been putting some miles on my 470 Mbogo with a scope lately, and realized that I had to be a little tighter with my form than I was without it. Haven't been tagged, but I haven't quite gotten to the point that I forget it's there yet either!!

Cheers,
Canuck

Chadd got "marked" by chris's!! (the other chris!)

jeffe

I forgot he has a 450 Ackley! I haven't had a chance to shoot it. I've actually only ever been around Chris up at my Dad's ranch...and he had a 338 RUM with him on the elk hunt.

Cheers,
Canuck

Someone needs to shoot the new 510 Allen Magnum with no break. Scary stuff..a 50 BMG improved.