Without going into too much detail, I have the choice of chabering a custom into one of these two calibers. All other things about the rifle being equall, which would you choose and why?

Thanks

Dave

I'd shop around for brass and factory ammo. Performance the same. Ruger might hold more in magazine.

416 ruger ... its NEW and therefore may have some "new marketing" hope of being available ...

however, they are, once past the muzzle and in all meaningful ways, identical.

Yep,
Either will do the same thing.
To me, the custom .416 Ruger is most interesting right now, since I have a couple of .416 Remington M70s already.

Doing a custom on an H&H-length action will allow you to use the longer bullets and even beat the .416 Remington a bit by long-nose seating. Would have to check on the throat length for long seating, maybe get a custom reamer.

Also will allow you longer than 20" factory Ruger barrel, and thus another way to beat the factory .416 Ruger ballistics, or get lower pressure for same external ballistics.

Good idea, a custom .416 Ruger, on an M70, Dakota, etc.
I do not like the Hogue stocks and 20" barrels on the factory models.
The Hawkeye action is nice if you want to stick with the medium/standard length box.

I would want to accumulate the brass and reloading dies for the .416 Ruger first.
I have not seen any of it yet ... but I am not looking too hard just yet.

How? long is your mag box? If 3.65+", then the Remmy os a no brainer, Plus, pkenty of brass and dies.

Keith

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Originally posted by Ezra4570:
Without going into too much detail, I have the choice of chabering a custom into one of these two calibers. All other things about the rifle being equall, which would you choose and why?

Thanks

Dave

When are going hunting with it out of country? The Remington ammunition is available world-wide. The Ruger will take some time to catch up, assuming it catches on. If all your hunting is domestic or handloads, it's a toss-up.

I own the Remington 416 and have no complaints.

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Originally posted by Mikelravy:
I'd shop around for brass and factory ammo. Performance the same. Ruger might hold more in magazine.

Same base diameter, but the ruger is larger ant the shoulder. If anything, the ruger should hold the same or less in the magazine.

In other words a magazine that barely holds 4 remmingtons would most likely not hold 4 rugers.

For availability of ammunition and components, I prefer the .416Rem. Bought my first one in 1997 and a second one later. No regrets.

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Originally posted by JBrown:
In other words a magazine that barely holds 4 remmingtons would most likely not hold 4 rugers.

Jason,
Congratulations on saving Walter's face.

Your point is a good one above.
The 300 RUM boxes on Winchester M70 Classics are a nice fit for .416 Ruger, 3 down.
Slick feeding.
Room for long-nose seating to 3.600" or more.
That will take the red out of the .416 Ruger's face, even with 400-grain Barnes TSX.
I have not done the comparison of net case capacity between the .416 Remington and the .416 Ruger
when both are loaded to 3.600" COL,
but it should be interesting.

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I would want to accumulate the brass and reloading dies for the .416 Ruger first.
I have not seen any of it yet ...

And you may not for a while. I spoke to Lonnie Hummel at Hornady today, ordering 470 AR dies, (yyyeeesssss). Anyway, he said that they are 30,000 die sets behind on normal production die sets and there's no sign of slowing down just yet. Other makers will have them, sure, but I expect that all the die makers are probably in about the same production state, way behind. Demand, it goes without saying, is overwhelming.

As for the 2 cartridges, I could be happy with either. If you're building on a 3.60" action, may as well go with the Remington. If a standard length action, the Ruger is a natural, as is the 416 AR. Or even the 416 Taylor. Bottom line is they'll all do roughly the same thing, the Taylor being slightly behind the others. Pick the one that speaks to you and don't look back.

David

The .416 Dakota, though of .375 H&H case length, really needs a .416 Rigby-length box to function well with all the .416 bullets.

Saeed's .375/404 needs (and has) a .416 Rigby box length to function properly with the Walterhog bullet.

The .416 Ruger needs a 3.6" box to function well with all the .416 bullets.
It also needs a barrel longer than 20" unless it is to be used by a midget.

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Originally posted by RIP:

It also needs a barrel longer than 20" unless it is to be used by a midget.

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