Looks Like I am building 2 boomers early next year
a 500j for Jeffe, and a 470mbogo for Mike

My buddy, Mike, is working on an mbogo.. no, wait, I am doing the 470 for Mike, while I work on my 500j

As I've said, i am working on my 500 jeffe-ry (which I ordered Dies from CH4D, TiN coated sizer die and expander, for what it's worth, extra 3 weeks and 37$)

For the wrist reinforcement, it's been my practice to drill from the tang back, and inject steel bedding down a double thick stainless tube, and leave the tube in place. Really neato trick for repairing a busting stock, too.

Status on Mike's 470 (cz 550)
Pacnor #6, 26" (eta 1/15/03)
Qual Cart Brass.. eta, 1/15/03??
Dies ordered from CH4D
Still needing a cz550 in 416 to start
he's going to reuse the cz stock to start... hmmm, Well, that wont be his plan after the 3rd shot!!

Status on Jeffe's 500j (enfield 1917)
Pacnor #6, 22.5" (eta 1/15/03)
Talking with RGB on a second recoil lug
headspaces gages from Shawnie (got)
Reamerrental on reamer (can't see buying it)
Custom pattern from Gunstocks. (eta 12/15/02)
Henry is a great guy, worked through some things with me, it's a combo of brit stalking, gary goudy, and jeffe

Both guns will wear NECG fronts, barrel bands slings, and, to start, either whitworth express 3 leaf or ashley peep sights (yeah, like I am going to shoot a 500j 300 yards). The 500, when being broke in, will probably wear an ashley for load dev, and then a whitworth for final. As there is no sense, in my mind, to both try to do load dev AND sight in by filling sights...

I will be using 2 crossbolts in each, and steelbedding the HELL out of the front lug(s), as that works great in my, and mike, 416 rem/taylor, as hidden crossbolts.

I'll also be using kickeez 300 series 1.2" pads on these.

I am expecting to have both shooting by valentines day
Rust Blue finish, i HOPE
In what sparetime I have, I am also "learning" to rust blue on junk barrels and turk receivers... Interesting.. I spoke with Brownell's to REDUCE the cost and SHIPPING cost of their dicropan kit. It seems that there is TWO $20 fee to ship that kit, for the soap and the HCL. I asked them to price the kit a different way, without the HAZMAT stuff (which you can get at any hardware or drug store) and they said yep.. and might be offering it as a Catalog item!!

jeffe

[ 12-07-2002, 19:20: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Don't use dicropan, use a real rust blue that you simply have to boil and cord and not need a cabinet....Check with Butch Searcy, Jim Brockman, or Jack Belk on what to use. Dicropan is OK for what it is designed for, but it is not a true rust blue and will not give you the desired results you want on a real custom rifle. Just a suggestion for what it is worth....

I have used the Belgium blue sold by Brownells, It is the old Herters rust blue and it always worked well for me. Jim Brockman is using some really good stuff and its easy to do. Comes out of Montana.

Ray,
Thanks TONS!! I am planning on trying 2 or 3 different types, but the dicropan gives one the full tanks, masks, etc, for doing this. Funny you mention Belgium, as that, and pinkerton's are the one's I am planning on using to test. It's going to take 30mins to build the cabinet, and it's been too cool here of late to not... 40 to 60, and will be during the time I am going to do the testing. I hadn't heard the Dicropan wasn't a real rust blue... I'll keep that in mind.
I talked (emailed) with JB, and I'll be following his suggesting, Also, kristopher and I have been swapping emails, and he suggested www.winrest.com and their formula. Since I "don't care" about my test subjects, I'll let ya'll know
which I prefer... and which works okay.

I had heard that just about anything with a nirtic acid in it would be a good thing, as all the 'old time" reciepes I have managed to find include that?

Thoughts? Ray? Anybody?

Should I take pics along the way and document the testing here? BTW, I used some plum brown, and boiled it... nice color, but I've got 2 purple spots on the turk reciever... guess I didn't boil it long enough.

btw, also, I am planning on using the cab for an "oven" for duracoat on some crap guns.. I think I can recover some junk for friends with it

(out of town for the weekend)
jeffe

[ 12-07-2002, 22:25: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

My vz24 is plum purple right now. I had blued it once befor for a grade. Then while doing my stock work scratched it good, so I hot blued it again. This time it came out with a hint of purple on the rear of the reciever, and would look nice if it were even over the whole gun. Might be the salts are gettting old. It is gonna get bead blasted and slow rusted when I rebarrel it any how.

WinRes is the only slow rust I have ever use. It worked out really well. However, with little to compair it to, other things maybe better. I am intrested in the results of your taste test, Jeffe.

Also what is steel bedding? I have not heard of this befor.

Kristofer

[ 12-08-2002, 01:11: Message edited by: KBGuns ]

Jeffe,

I would save time and money screwing around with anything else, and just use the Belgian Blue formula from Brownells. I have used it on a whole Mauser and various parts -- it's easy, looks great, and all you need is a hotplate / stove, and a container big enough to hold whatever you're bluing -- no rust cabinet, highly corrosive salts, etc. Jack Belk and now Ray have said they use it, that's good enough for me.

BTW, the whole Mauser took about three hours to do. If you want to see what it turns out like, I can e-mail you a pic.

Todd

As I've said before, I spent years doing rust blueing with a variety of results, from Stunning to awful. There are a number of good formula's out there, the most successful of which employ Conc. Nitric acid and Ferrous salts. The best results I ever had was with cold anhyrdous Nitric acid which I made myself ( I am a degreed Chemist). I would not reccomend this to folks as I it's very hard to come by and very dangerous to work with.
In the end I settled on hot caustic/nitrate blueing. It's fast, dependable and the major variable is contaminants( read trace copper,lead) in the water( I use city water thats purified by distillation through a small still) and traces of oil/grease. I get amazing results just by degreasing with Dichloromethane followed by an acteone rince. From there right into the tank.
I agree that Dichropan is just junk and when I last tried it the results were unimpressive to say the least.
Here is a picture of an old Remington Rolling block I blued last week ( the frame and barrel) and the small parts yesterday. The blue is darn near perfect considering this action was a pile of rusted parts( deeply pitted) two weeks ago. Had to surface grind the sides of the action. All the rest including the barrel flats were done by drw filing by hand.-Rob

Rob,
As usual, you impress the heck out of us... Nice recovery on the falling block!!

Looks like I need to start (and finish) with the belguim... Thanks guys..

BTW, nitrile gloves, harbour frieght, AWESOME... i tried to tear some today, couldnt by pulling/pinching, bought a box in xl, thanks JB

they also had a 2 burner propane unit, for $19 to heat my tanks

470
yep, that's mike's gun... I got him stoked up about the 470 about 6 months ago, and now I am pushing him to order his stuff... He'll come over with his barrel, and I'll spend awhile with him, as I don't charge him, he's happy on the fitting. We might need to do exactly that.. forward the gages, that would be GREAT

cheers
jeffe

Ray, and others..
Thanks.. and I ordered the Belgiun Blue from brownells... we'll see.. that and tanks.
jeffe

Ray, RGB, 470... Alf.. anyone?
What are your thoughts on loading the 500j? I am torn between the classic load of 535 around 2400 and the 500 nitro-ish load of 600 at 2100..

thoughts? certerns? am I pissing up a rope?

jeffe

Rob, you sure do know how to fix 'em up! That rifle looks NIB!

Jeffeosso, here is some load data from the reloading pages of this site:

POWDER
VELOCITY
BULLET
PRIMER






110 REL 15
2406
535 WOODLEIGH FMJ
FED 215

111
2430



112
2464



120
2575



114
2400
535 WOODLEIGH SP


116
2450



118
2505



120
2550



122
2602



110 IMR 4064
2443
535 WOODLEIGH FMJ


130 W 760
2450
535 WOODLEIGH SP


135
2500



120 IMR 4350
2175



125
2350



130
2430



135
2500



105 IMR 4895
2250
570 BARNES X


105 REL 15
2250
600 BARNES MONO


108
2303

I think the 600 gr Barnes at 2303 is good. For long range shooting the 535 at 2600 fps would be hard to beat. Considerable more power than a Weatherby too!

2 Bore

Jeffeosso,
I think you should go with the shootability of the 535 grain bullets at 2400 to 2500 fps. Remember your going to 50 caliber and that will get anythings attention with good shot placement. The 535 grain bullet has less sectional density than the 600 grain but with the higher velocity it's worked since day one and that won't change. By all means try both and make your decision on shootability and recoil recovery for that possible second shot.

470Mbogo

What about splittign the difference and using 570s?

The A2 manual has load data for 570s at 2300fps in the Jefferys, tho from a 26inch barrel.

Kristofer

[ 12-12-2002, 02:27: Message edited by: KBGuns ]

Okay, Now I am scared!!

The jeffe-ry barrel arrived this night.. my youngest son (16, the only one still living at home) comes over to help me take off the enfield's 3006 barrel... (lots of cussing, tightening..rosin, sandpaper in the woodblocks, new wood, etc) "hey dad, are you planning on keeping that crawfish hole sportered barrel?" "ah, no, geoff, why" "<kid gives me a wicked grin---pulls out pipewrench> well, it'll kill the barrel....." "k, geoff"
BANG!! barrel off

<anyone want a cheapo enfield takeoff?>

new pacnor screwed on, for test fit only.. yep, i did buy it pre0fit/chambered from pacnor.. I didn't want to buy or rent the reamers,..

Now, the scarey part.. the dies are shipping friday, from ch4d, I had them TiN coated... I have the brass.. I could have the front sight and barrel band by friday too..

In the "hogged out" sporter stock, it weighs, oh, MEBBER 9 lbs... Who's man enough to shoot it 3 times in 90 seconds? Toade, fly down here, hit the target at 50yards 3x with it in 90 seconds, and I'll pay your flight back... This AINT the final stock, just one I had laying around.. it's going to be at least 11#... and since I'll be adding lead to balanace, 12 wont be hard.

No, wait, it's not a mossberg, it'll kill him.

Anyway, I should have it headspaced and the extractor groove cut weekend AFTER this.. and I'll have the stock like friday, as henry said it shipped last thursday.

and mike's 470 should be on the way in a month...

it's the pacnor#6, 22", 20mm, or .79 at the muzzle.. and it's probably too light.. a 358 winchester falls right through it, and you could drive a 376 steyr brass right down.. 416 rems go in about 2/3 of the length.
I just hadn't had my own 50 to play with.. it's HUGE..

btw, KB, I might be using the 570s, if i could get 1 or 2 to determine OAL with...

jeffe

[ 12-25-2002, 19:32: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

It looks like you are making good progress there jeffe. It would be nice to have some pictures posted when it is complete. Please keep us posted. Have fun!

Jeffe,
Congrats!

Remember that Alf got some excessive loads in his 500 Jeffery rifle and got set back and a repair job, pushing the envelope.

Nickudu's 505 Gibbs did wonders on his buffalo with 570 grain X bullets (.505") at 2250-2300 fps or thereabouts. he recovered the bullets well expanded, as you recall, and killed the buffs with one shot each.

He used RL-15 and Dacron filler to keep recoil down a bit as compared to a full case of slower powder.

In your ".510 bore" 500 Jeffery I vote for 570 grain Barnes XLC's combined with a 570 grain GSC FN. The Barnes are easy to get (no special draw downs to .505 from .510 required as for Nickudu), and the GSC's will be worth the wait. Maybe a US dealer is around the corner.

My 510 JAB is loaded for these. Your case capacity is about 10 grains of water greater than mine, IIRC:

510 JAB = 150 grains
500 Jeffery = 160 grains
505 Gibbs = 180 grains

I don't have to use filler with the 510 JAB and 570 grain XLC&FN, loading RL-15 powder, and the longish monometal bullets.

115 grains of RL-15 or IMR 4064 gets me about 2325 fps with the 600 grain Barnes Solid in my 23" barrel, and about 2425 fps in my 27" barrel.

These are safe loads for my smaller case.

I'll bet you could start with 110 grains of RL-15 using any bullet weight from 535 to 600 grains and work up to the desired velocity with minimum wasted effort.

Using the long monometal bullets (570-600 grains) and RL-15, I'll bet you get good results with no filler needed.

I don't think I would want to do the 700-750 grain BMG bullets in your light and handy huntin' rifle. Please try to resist this urge!

Jeffe- good choice on the Enfield for the 500 Jeffery. One piece of advice, Watch the cartridge stacking diameter carefully and build a proper magazine box. Three 500 AHR's( nearly the same as the 500 Jeffery in case width dimensions) give a stacked max width measurement of 1.140 and unless your box is close to this dimension ( not too far off from the 505 Gibbs) you may have major feeding problems with the first round porposing upon bolt drawback over a full magazine( i.e Like when your hunting and the first shot counts). The other alternative is to just accept a narrower box and live with one in the pipe and just two in the box ala WBY. Mill out the action rails to accept a box of this dimension and your in great shape.You probably already know this, but I thought I'd mention it anyway. The CZ550 is not the greatest choice for cartridges like this due to the action width limitation. Two is fine, three is a problem. This is another example where an Enfield may be a better action to start with.-Rob

Rob,
Thanks TONS.. and I'll be using your advice. Geoff and I just got the lathe back on the stands yesterday (moved it) and i should be opening the bolt face saturday... I'll need to level stands, but I kinda hurt my back, and jaan made me drive her to her family's place.

I've been thinking quit abit about the feeding... and I'll tell you guys, it's daunting... throw a jeffe-ry into a 30-06 enfield.. and LAUGH at how much it's going to be.. so, order of the day will be to get it
1: bolt face
2: ejection (can you say mill?)
3: headspace
4: extractor slot
5: feeding.. argh... since i am using an unbent (unstraighted?)i should be able to get 3 down, I think 4 is WAY too many.

thanks guys..
<on dialup in the hinterlands>
Jeffe

Jeffeosso,

Glad to hear that your 500 Jeffery project is coming along. If you pay for round trip air fare I will gladly come on down, in January '03, to test fire your rifle for you. Hell if you express me up your dies and brass I will load up some 570 grain soft point rounds for the test firing! My test rounds should clock right around 2350 fps. We can of course work our way up from there.

Word of advise. Stay away from the loads on the Reloading Pages.

One more little bit of advise. Ron Berry is off quite a bit, too large, in his case capacities. Your Jeffery should have a water volume around 149-150 grains sized (if you don't believe me measure one). The 500 JAB will be around 140, so he got the 10 grain differential correct.

Let me know if you want me to come on down to sunny Texas!

POSeur.

POSeur:
John J. Donnelly says 160.19 grains of water for the 500 Jeffery Rimless
and 180.17 grains of water for the 505 Gibbs Magnum.

What is the 500 JAB? I have the only 510 JAB in existence.

What is your data source? I measured the 510 JAB myself. 150 grains of water to the nearest grain, with a fireformed case.

BTW, Donnelly gives 147.37 grains of water for the 510 Wells. The 510 JAB is obviously bigger than the 510 Wells.

I quote Donnelly on the other two. Sumbuddy who know better? Obviously the POSeur does not.

Oops, the troll wasted my time again!

[ 12-27-2002, 10:08: Message edited by: DaggaRon ]

I posted my information from my own first hand experience working with the 505 Gibbs, 500 AHR, 500 Jeffery and 500 A Square. I do not know who the hell Donnely is, but from the data I have seen you post he has some VERY thin brass or a scale that was off A LOT! I would be terrified to shoot 500 Jeffery brass that has a case capacity of 160 grains! Hell it might not even have a shoulder for the Boxer primer to seat against in the primer pocket!

I still do not believe you have a 500 anything Ron. Why, you are quoting data from an author of a shooting text, NOT from your first hand experience with you very own 500 JAB! It is my general opinion of that almost all firearms and hunting texts exist only for those that cannot/do not hunt or play with firearms. These texts are frequently embellished with TEXAS fish stories and gross inaccuracies. Ron you are so very full of it my old friend. I remember when you did not know anything about the 500's. Now you are the expert. One thing I can credit you with is that you seem to be a quick study and have learned a little bit here on the NET!

Jeffeosso, the offer still stands. I will do you load development and test firing for you. A more cost effective method would be for you to ship me your rifle and reloading components and I will work a hunting load up for you. I would then provide complete detail of that load with the rifle. I can come down to Texas too, but on your dollar.

POSeur

Jeffe,

What rifling twist is the barrel on your 500? Any idea what is considered the standard for stabilizing 535 to 570 grain bullets? Just curious, as Pacnor offers 'suggestions' as to what is most popular, but no cartridge-specific info on their website. I think they have 1:14, 18, and 20 there.

BTW, have you received your stock yet? I'm awaiting mine in 3 - 4 weeks (yeah right) from Richard's. I went with laminate to keep it heavy and all in one piece.

Thanks,
Todd

ToddE,
it was meant as a joke, as only a damn fool would shoot a sub10# 500 jeffe-ry.

I still hope you have the rifles you say you do, as that would be interesting, but i have my doubts on your verasity.

RAB,
based on your suggestions, i lengthed the throat .350" and I'll be using Rob's feedback on the box.

ToddG,
I went with the 1x18... which is good all the way to 750 grains... damn, it's big enough to drive a subburan into!!

damn, I wish you could filter who can post on your topics
jeffe

[ 12-28-2002, 03:37: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

the browntruck guy just stopped by!!

Henry, you are the best!!! www.gunstocks.com.

It's EXACTLY what he and I discussed, custom cut for ME..$220!!!

okay, now i am really stoked about this project.
jeffe

Jeffeosso,

I see no joke in your request! If you are serious and are actually working on a 500 Jeffery I suggest you PM me. I have no problem shooting a few rounds out of a 9 pound rifle! What stock configuration are you using? I have an acquaintance that is rather good at fitting a stock to a shooter, particularly helpful for the big bore shooter!

Oh damned I forgot I own no firearms, just asked that ignorant arse PECOS45, or the other ingnorant arse RON BERRY!

POSeur

Jeffeosso,

I assure I am for real! If you are serious about a 500 Jeffery, PM me and we can talk like adults, instead of like stupid little cyberpunks! 9 pounds is light, but if the LOP and D@C are appropriate, recoil should not be a problem! Granted, a couple extra pounds would make the shooting experience more enjoyable (maybe, depends on how big of a pussy you are!)

I await your reply!!!!!!!!

POSuer

POSeur, like you posted as 2 bore, the joke should have been obvious.
..not worth the bandwidth to reply ..

jeffe

[ 12-28-2002, 09:00: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Jeffeosso,

I will shoot your rifle from a secured stand initially (that way we will make sure your "gunsmithing" is sound)! You are building a 500 Jeffery though are you? PM me and I can provide you with meaningful, realistic hunting load data! Quit being such a MORON, PLEASE? I PERSONALLY ENJOY HELPING "REAL" BIG BORE HUNTERS!!!!!!!

Do as you will, I really do not care. Maybe our buddy PECOS45 can do your load development! He does afterall, has all that reloading experience (he seems never able to post any of it though)!!!!!!!!

POSeur

[ 12-28-2002, 08:14: Message edited by: POSeur ]

..not worth the bandwidth to reply ..

Didn't we go through this with my steyr? oh, yeah, you forgot that truth.

I have ZERO interest in your input. You have proven that you can not be trusted with small truths.

jeffe

[ 12-28-2002, 08:59: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Jeffeosso,

Why do you resist the truth so? Your POS dies are 1 inch 14 threads per inch, correct? I hope that the manufacturer has improved their process, as the dies they made for me SUCKED!

PM me, I will not let your butt buddies in the PECOS posse, know what we discuss! A 500 Jeffery is a rare bird. Many, and I warn you many, POSEURS like Ron Berry will feed you shit! You be the judge, I really don't know why I try so much!!!!!!!!

POSeur

[ 12-28-2002, 08:19: Message edited by: POSeur ]

POSeur:
Are you blind, deaf and stupid? Just not old enough to know your backside from your elbow?

I told you that I had measured the 510 JAB myself. The average to the nearest grain was indeed 150.

I may own over 50 rifles in 40 chamberings, but not a 500 J or 505 G, and I don't keep a sampling of every brass imaginable.

You don't know who John J. Donnelly is, eh? There are a lot of things you don't know, eh?

You make about as much sense as one hand clapping. Figuratively speaking, your other hand must be occupied with your private parts all the time, another of your areas of shortcoming, besides the constant mental masturbation with never a climax.

BTW, thank's for throwing my name in so often when you are laughably trying to abuse honorable forum members. I appreciate being specified as your antagonist.

-----------no poseurs need reply---------------

....okay... here's where the 500 jeffe is...

action bedded, bottom metal bedded,.. bolt face opened, extractar cut, barrel headspaced, 2 crossbolts installed...

I just did the steel bed on the action tonight, so it'll be a couple days before I can shoot it.. I am thinking next saturday morning, at lake houston gun club, for those that would like to come and see and/or shoot.

I dont have the feeding even started... but, without a mag box, I can get 4 down, 1 up.. not kidding, a 5 shot jeffe...

it's about 9.25.. more or less, and I am going to try my sissy loads at that. something like 2000 fps with a 535, single loaded..

Toade/Axhole/POSeur/Waste of graivity, you are NOT invited, anyone else,,, 10 am at lake houston.

jeffe

Mike's 470 mbogo is at... pacnor is going to headspace (yee!!!!) and send back, should be in in 3 weeks, and it's going to be ready to shoot about feb 15th. I might not even have to work on the feeding

[ 01-20-2003, 06:08: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Jeffe,

Did you build it with the recess in the stock as the 'mag box?' I've often wondered how that would work out. A smidgeon of an inch here or there can really make a big difference, as in how many cartridges you can fit in.

Have fun shooting it.

What exact kind of stock did you get from Henry? I am awaiting a 'knotted exhibition' express style for my Mauser 9.3x62 (knot in forearm) and an G&H open sight classic, plain, both in English walnut. The latter is for my Enfield.

Todd

Sounds great Jeffeosso. What is your "sissy" load, exactly? Have fun with it. With a rifle like that you are much more of a man than I. Afterall, all I have is a puny little Ruger No1 in 50-110! I feel so inadequate!

Axel

[ 01-20-2003, 07:57: Message edited by: POSeur. ]

Todd,
Henry and I talked quit a bit.. he made me a goudy, cut LONG and for iron sights... #5 wood, and it's a decent stock. I haven't begun the feeding work, and the mag box I've got only handles 3, but I've managed 4 down, and loaded the 5th into the mag the way i've got it, right now

Since it's light for a 500, I am rather nervous

Turd/POSeur/Axhole..535gr hawks bullets over 100gr of rl 15/... a sissy load, as it's more or less a 458 win with 510 grain bullets... just noisy,

Axhole, what happened to your 500 ahr? Did you sell it to turdE

jeffe

[ 01-20-2003, 08:12: Message edited by: jeffeosso ]

Jeffeosso said:

quote:

---

Turd/POSeur/Axhole..535gr hawks bullets over 100gr of rl 15/... a sissy load, as it's more or less a 458 win with 510 grain bullets... just noisy, not to be scared of... exactly where did you get your 50-110? I thought you only had the hermaphrodyte win model 550 that you made on your toy lathe?

jeffe

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Jeffeosso, how do you get 100 grains of Rl 15 into a 458 Winchester magnum? Last I knew a 458 Winnie had a case capacity of around 93-94 grains. Did you get your 458 Winnie brass from the same place you get that 376 Steyr brass (case capacity of 82 grains!!!) and the 500 Jeffery brass (case capacity of 160 grains!!!)?

I agree that those loads you provided will be VERY wimpy! That would be a good 416 Rigby load though with light bullets.

I assembled that Ruger number 1 from purchased components. Regarding my 450 Watts Magnum M70, you are just jealous that you aren't capable of that level of machining!

Axel

Jeffeosso,

I am not Todd E, but I can read that which is posted in a public forum! What is the case capacity on your 500 Jeffery brass? Is it 160 grains of H2O? I bet it is a lot lower more like 148 - 151 grains!

I do not recall seeing pictures of the scale showing the measured weights of you empty and filled with water 376 Steyr cases. You expect us to believe you after you have been caught posting the default data from "Quick Load"! Come on Jeffeosso, give us a break!

Axel

Jeffeosso,

I published no case volume data; however, I did see the data that was posted. You DID not post anything but BS. Your supporting statements essentially said this; "Quickload says the case volume is this so it is!".

Jeffeosso, software programs are often full of erroneous data. These erroneous default data are to be tweaked by the individual practioner of the software. This is done by measuring REAL brass and using these REAL volumes in lieu of the erroneous default settings. 500 Jeffery brass DOES NOT of a case capacity anywhere near 160 grains! The 376 Steyr DOES NOT have a case capacity anywhere near 82 grains, either!

You have not provided any proof that the rifle you posted pictures of was actually a 376 Steyr and not a 270 Win, 257 Roberts, etc. We don't even know for sure that rifle is really yours! You could be pulling a BPBB, or me with those pictures. That would make you the originator of the posting of pictures of rifles that weren't your own!

Regarding my command of the english language, thank you for the compliments. I have lived here in the US for 12 years. I speak without any accent either, when I wish to. Actually, my accent is now American as my German friends tell me when I am home, or speaking to them on the phone.

Axel