What would be the logical step up in power from 9.3x62 ? Would you say it’s one of the various .416 or the really big stuff such as 458 win/Lott ?

I own a 9.3X62 but have not hunted with it yet. My armchair view is as follows

9.3X62 - 286 gr - 2400 fps
375H&H - 300 gr - 2500 fps
450/400- 400 gr - 2200 fps
404 Jef- 400 gr - 2400 fps
416 Rigby-400gr - 2550 fps
458Win - 500 gr - 2050 fps
458 Lott-500 gr - 2250 fps

I believe that the 375 H&H is the next step - practically giving the same range of game but probably a 50 meter range advantage on plains game.

This is all theory of course. I'd like to hear from others with practical experience.

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
What would be the logical next step up in power from 9.3x62 ? Would you say it’s one of the various .416 or the really big stuff such as 458 win/Lott ?

What will you use the rifle for? In the USA, the next logical step up for most from the 9.3x62 or 375H&H is the 416Rigby or a similar classic non-magnum Arican round.

The various 458 options are a lot more rifle, more then most can effectively handle.

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
What would be the logical step up in power from 9.3x62 ? Would you say it’s one of the various .416 or the really big stuff such as 458 win/Lott ?

For me, a significant (magnitude of order) step up in power from any cartridge is about +500 fps or an increase of 50% in bullet weight.

I‘m looking for one big bore for DG...... my medium bore rifle is a 9.3x62 and I would like to add a good big bore to match with it. What I mean is 2 rifle battery for DG and PG hunting.... a 9.3x62 and...?

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
I‘m looking for one big bore for DG...... my medium bore rifle is a 9.3x62 and I would like to add a good big bore to match with it. What I mean is 2 rifle battery for DG and PG hunting.... a 9.3x62 and...?

For your second rifle, either a 416Rigby or 458 Lott depending on species hunted. Both are capable DG cartridges but, have different optimum (better/best) uses.

416 would do it. Standard 400gr loadings are capable of anything, and penetration is unmatched. For more "stopping" confidence, you could use the newer 450gr Norma PH loads. A 458 and rifles of that ilk are a bit more specific and limited in use; they don't have the range capability of a 416

a 416 then a 45, in terms of power ..

but, you can load a 458 lott down!

Hang on to your 9.3X62. Load it with a good 250 grain bullet like a Barnes TSX and use that as your plains game rifle. Then add a .416 Rigby/Remington/Hornady/AccRel to your battery depending on your rifle preference and you will have two guns for everything from warthogs to elephants

One of the 416's makes sense...that's why mine is a 404 Jeffery!

The 404J complements the 9,3x62 very well.

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Originally posted by ozhunter:
The 404J complements the 9,3x62 very well.

I'll second that.

I went with a 416 Rigby as I could not pass up the deal on a rather fine rifle. Today, doing it all over it would be a 416 of some sort.

One of the 40 cal rifles would make a good rifle to pair with your 9,3x62.

A 400gr bullet at 2200fps is a good killer and does not have too much recoil.

I went 458 wm on my pair of FN mausers.
My thinking was same action, same length, and medium/large bore combo. Simple.

BTW if you 9.3 is on a CZ go to the lott.

I have two 9,3x62s and a .375 H&H at the lower end. As one poster suggested the 9,3x62 gets 2425 w 286 gr Noslers. The .375 H&H get a bit more than he suggested ... 300 gr Barnes X at 2604 fps.

Doesn't honestly make much difference ... the .375 H&H only goes when required by local law.

My .416 Rigby pushes a 350 gr Barnes X at 2800 fps and it is a substantial up-gun from the mediums.

Moving further up come the .458 AR and a .470 NE DR.

The light load for the .458 is a 425 gr bonded solid based bullet pushing 2400 fps. It can go as hot as >2350 w 500 gr projectiles, and is a substantial step beyond the .416.

I would not bother with a .375 H&H and would have to think about a .416 or a .458 Lott.

Would have to consider the things I wanted to hunt and how far I was going to have to carry it.

I'm thinking a 450-400 DR. Packy

If you like the 9.3 why not the 64.

My 9.3x62 is a fabulous Sauer S 202 and I really would like to add another Sauer in .416 Rem Mag or 458 Lott in my safe !

when you say step up do you mean sequentially or logically?

sequentially means the H&H class while logically likely means 40+.

a classic pair would be the 9.3x62 and a 404J

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
My 9.3x62 is a fabulous Sauer S 202 and I really would like to add another Sauer in .416 Rem Mag or 458 Lott in my safe !

Sounds like a 404 Jeffery might be the one for you. It would pair well with your Sauer 202.

I would agree that it depends on what you will hunt with it.

Dangerous game encompasses leopard and lion on the small side on up to the big three of Cape buffalo, hippo and elephant, all of which are big, tough, thick-skinned adversaries.

If you will be hunting a lot of the big three, especially elephant, then a true big bore, meaning a .458 or bigger, makes a lot of sense.

I like a .500 even for buffalo and hippo (on land), since it offers significantly more killing power.

Of course, the big bore was invented for elephant.

On the other hand, if you'll be focusing on the cats, or only buffalo, then a good case can be made for a .416 rather than a .458+.

I find the recoil of the 458 Lott to be “a bit” to heavy (I tried shooting with 500 gr. bullet) so the logical step up for me might be the .416 Rem Mag. Being comfortable with the recoil means shooting it more accurately....right ! Besides I’m not going to shoot any Elephants in near future unless in win the lottery

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
I find the recoil of the 458 Lott to be “a bit” to heavy (I tried shooting with 500 gr. bullet) so the logical step up for me might be the .416 Rem Mag. Being comfortable with the recoil means shooting it more accurately....right ! Besides I’m not going to shoot any Elephants in near future unless in win the lottery

Why not consider good ole' "Scandinavian born" .358 Norma? It is very versatile, powerful and flat-shooting cartridge.

Get the lott and shoot Win mag in it.

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
My 9.3x62 is a fabulous Sauer S 202 and I really would like to add another Sauer in .416 Rem Mag or 458 Lott in my safe !

Will the Sauer action hold up to the recoil of the 458 Lott? I have read that the Sauer action has problems with prolonged use of the modern high pressure magnum loads 375 H&H & up. Any comments?

My personal dream is to build a 404 Jeffery & then buy a nice Double in 450-400 or a 450 NE.

I have gone from 9.3x62 to .416 Rigby. Any over .40 would do.

That makes the battery:
.22lr
.218Bee
.223 Rem
.243W
7x57Mauser
9.3x62
.416 Rigby

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Originally posted by Ingvar J. Kristjansson:
My 9.3x62 is a fabulous Sauer S 202 and I really would like to add another Sauer in .416 Rem Mag or 458 Lott in my safe !

458 Lott.... if you can learn to shoot it, it'll do anything you want it to do!

Or maybe a 450/400NE??

416 rem, it is muts cheaper too reload then 458 lott.I have a sako 85 in 416 rem that you can try.
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